EPT...That said, if I was going to pick up melee I'd probably main samus or luigi, which probably tells you something about my sense of priorities.
Why Does Everybody Play Fox? - Page 4
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CaptainPlatypus
United States852 Posts
...That said, if I was going to pick up melee I'd probably main samus or luigi, which probably tells you something about my sense of priorities. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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worosei
Australia198 Posts
How exactly do the 'tiers' work? Is it just that a high tier character has a lot more options and abilities to do things, or can a low-tier character, played without 'flaw', still be 'dominant'. Like if you played Zelda perfect against a perfect Fox player, will Fox just win, or will it actually be 'balanced'? Can a princess ever reclaim her rightful place next to the throne? | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:33 Hot_Bid wrote: Fox aka the Protoss of SSBM You all know this to be true. Fun article!! fox is terran. strongest when played perfectly, so hard to play perfectly. very versatile, requires way more actions than other characters, but again if you are fast enough, the game is entirely in your own hands. you are your own worst enemy. one fuckup = death. probably close to falco if not higher, at the top in terms of average SD's. i really think this analogy works well and i find it sad that you fail this hard in the first reply, hot_bid. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On April 02 2014 17:30 worosei wrote: i also agree that it'd be great to see more character writeups!! How exactly do the 'tiers' work? Is it just that a high tier character has a lot more options and abilities to do things, or can a low-tier character, played without 'flaw', still be 'dominant'. Like if you played Zelda perfect against a perfect Fox player, will Fox just win, or will it actually be 'balanced'? Can a princess ever reclaim her rightful place next to the throne? i would say that a perfect fox can unfortunately 4 stock a perfect zelda pretty consistently. its a matter of frame data and lag of moves. but this situation is weird to analyze. what is perfect? | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 02 2014 17:40 nath wrote: i would say that a perfect fox can unfortunately 4 stock a perfect zelda pretty consistently. its a matter of frame data and lag of moves. but this situation is weird to analyze. what is perfect? ultimately it could be possible for a tas-like AI to get off a 0 to death grab setups with some characters against fox, i dont know if zelda is one of them but if she is all she has to do is make one grab (which may be hard), take a stock and then use the infinite ledge stall trick and then stall to time out | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
I think the "fox is too good" hype is way way over-exagerated | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
Theres still new technology being implemented and discovered for all characters The main issue with fox is that most players simply didn't have most of the technology for him until recently (within the last couple of years) so it's hard to see results when despite knowing about certain things that fox could do, his game hasn't really been developed properly until more recently | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I still think that the best character in the game is Jigglypuff, by the way. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On April 02 2014 22:28 Shikyo wrote: Fox has the most control. I at least enjoy how I'm always able to control my character and don't need to waste a long time getting "in position" like Sheik or Marth need to before they can SHFFL properly without leaving themselves open. Shine is the best move in the game easily and out of the two characters that possess it, Fox has the better mobility and wavedash. He basically has all the tools you could want. Maybe everyone would be playing Sheik instead if she had Fox's short jump height, who knows. I still think that the best character in the game is Jigglypuff, by the way. Fox wrecks puff pretty hard due to her getting camped pretty hard by fox. If fox didn't have lasers (or they got banned) I could see puff rising a lot, but probably still not the best. On April 02 2014 21:59 [F_]aths wrote: I feel we need more Smash Bros. on TL. I only have the Gamecube version, but it still is insanely fun. Melee for Gamecube is the by far most popular one and the most competitive one. Germany has a huge huge Melee scene if you want to get into it!  | ||
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yido
United States350 Posts
I used to play with marth almost exclusively. I remember being a jerk in FFA with Roy too. | ||
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QuixoticO
Netherlands810 Posts
On April 01 2014 12:42 Blackfeather wrote: Wont fox become a problem in the future? I get that Fox is only op if he is played perfectly and the level of skill to pull that off is higher than playing other characters at their maximum potential, but if the scene grows the overall level will rise. We already see now a lot of fox in the tourneys now, in one or two years (if melee survives that long) we might be seeing exclusively fox, unless he is banned like metaknight. When people talk about perfect fox it always reminds me of this video and video. But in all honestness I doubt it will ever happening considering people have been playing this game competitively for years and years now. If I remember correctly I would even say in the Netherlands we have more Sheiks and Falco's then Foxes. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10343 Posts
On April 02 2014 17:30 worosei wrote: i also agree that it'd be great to see more character writeups!! How exactly do the 'tiers' work? Is it just that a high tier character has a lot more options and abilities to do things, or can a low-tier character, played without 'flaw', still be 'dominant'. Like if you played Zelda perfect against a perfect Fox player, will Fox just win, or will it actually be 'balanced'? Can a princess ever reclaim her rightful place next to the throne? Tiers are created slightly differently between groups/games. Usually it's a combination of a character's tournament presence and viability, though the latter has been more important usually. So if Fox shows up as half of all tournament entrants and there are a lot of tournaments being won by Fox, he'd be top tier. If half of all entrants are Fox but Fox isn't winning much, he may or may not be high, because yes he is showing up in tournaments a lot and is very relevant, but in proportion to Foxes actually winning or placing high, there aren't that many. The criteria for tier lists changes slightly over time and varies depending on the specific people currently in the tier list creating groups. Regarding your example, you can't look at two people in middle tier and say X will beat Y in a match if they're both being played "perfectly", but if you look at a top tier and a low tier then the top tier will win at least 95% of the time realistically and should always win if played "perfectly" (assuming both people are "equally skilled"). Characters within a tier are decently matched against each other (excluding some exceptions), characters a tier apart have a noticeable difference and characters 2 tiers apart or more have a very significant difference. But yes, those at the top tiers have no real weak matchups, so they are also the ones that have a lot of options and are very flexible. Very rarely you get some really good player that plays a lower tier character, able to beat second rate players playing high or top tier characters (like aMSa recently playing Yoshi, who can put up a fight with the some of the best, but hasn't proven he can close the gap). | ||
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RookerS
Ivory Coast75 Posts
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Code
Canada634 Posts
Also, this reminded me of this comic. Always makes me laugh + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/183/805/45.jpg) | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
My short answer to the question: because they aren't manly enough to play g&w. But your answer is good too | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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FoxShine
United States156 Posts
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