EPTWhy Does Everybody Play Fox? - Page 3
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Superiorwolf
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VayneAuthority
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Footler
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dirtydurb82
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Megapenthes
United Kingdom202 Posts
On April 01 2014 08:55 Superiorwolf wrote: Nice article, I enjoyed reading it :D How viable is Donkey Kong in the tier list of good characters? Would love to see more of these in the future! Holy shit Suppy is me. I basically made a thread asking how good DK is. Also I have Bronze liquipedia contribution. Wau. I guess I better start playing SC2 a lot again... | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19228 Posts
On April 01 2014 08:55 Superiorwolf wrote: Nice article, I enjoyed reading it :D How viable is Donkey Kong in the tier list of good characters? Would love to see more of these in the future! He's...er...not. | ||
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casualman
United States1198 Posts
In PM, he's quite good. Plus he's even got that DKC roll attack workin'. | ||
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Thrillz
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Archeon
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
On April 01 2014 12:42 Blackfeather wrote: Wont fox become a problem in the future? I get that Fox is only op if he is played perfectly and the level of skill to pull that off is higher than playing other characters at their maximum potential, but if the scene grows the overall level will rise. We already see now a lot of fox in the tourneys now, in one or two years (if melee survives that long) we might be seeing exclusively fox, unless he is banned like metaknight. That's a scenario many have considered with a mixture of facetiousness and gravity, recently evinced in the smash meme 20xx. Wobbles in this article already discusses major reasons why Fox is both popular and not yet able to dominate all the first place finishes at majors. Who knows, 20xx might become a reality someday, but right now, with none of the 5 smash gods exclusively maining Fox, it seems like the dread possibility is still far away. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On April 01 2014 12:42 Blackfeather wrote: Wont fox become a problem in the future? I get that Fox is only op if he is played perfectly and the level of skill to pull that off is higher than playing other characters at their maximum potential, but if the scene grows the overall level will rise. We already see now a lot of fox in the tourneys now, in one or two years (if melee survives that long) we might be seeing exclusively fox, unless he is banned like metaknight. We have no clue what the tier list looks like at the theoretical max human potential. Apart from that there is more to the game then just tech skill, the more tech is developed the more strategy and mind games will develop. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On April 01 2014 10:14 casualman wrote: In PM, he's quite good. Plus he's even got that DKC roll attack workin'. Suppy could make him viable tho, dash dancing his way to the top with that amp on DK. | ||
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Thrillz
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On April 01 2014 12:48 EchOne wrote: That's a scenario many have considered with a mixture of facetiousness and gravity, recently evinced in the smash meme 20xx. Wobbles in this article already discusses major reasons why Fox is both popular and not yet able to dominate all the first place finishes at majors. Who knows, 20xx might become a reality someday, but right now, with none of the 5 smash gods exclusively maining Fox, it seems like the dread possibility is still far away. Pretty much right on. I mean for YEARS Fox was the widely accepted best character, and we have still yet to see Fox dominance. Only recently have we seen any semblance of success and it's still not anything of major concern. Basically anything at this point is just presumptuous. I'll believe Fox dominates everything and everyone plays Fox when I see it. We have always seen a lot of Fox players in the past and he still doesn't dominate. Fox might not even be the best character, there are a few who believe that, in today's metagame, that Falco is superior if you want to win tourneys. | ||
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Signia
United States12 Posts
The "20XX" meme that jokes about the future being all fox players (and that the future is now) is pretty far from the truth. Mid tier players are rising up, notably aMSa with his Yoshi, Axe with his Pikachu and to some degree his Young Link, and Luigi players like Abate and Eddie Mexico. Mid level players playing mid tier characters is starting to become more common too, at least in SoCal. Every character down to Link has representation. | ||
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ChriS-X
Malaysia1374 Posts
On April 01 2014 15:55 Signia wrote: To those of you drawing character parallels to Starcraft races, Fox is both difficult and easy. It's difficult to not die by execution errors, but developing good strategy and playing matchups effectively is not, and Fox players don't have to read the opponent as well due to his safety and option coverage. The "20XX" meme that jokes about the future being all fox players (and that the future is now) is pretty far from the truth. Mid tier players are rising up, notably aMSa with his Yoshi, Axe with his Pikachu and to some degree his Young Link, and Luigi players like Abate and Eddie Mexico. Mid level players playing mid tier characters is starting to become more common too, at least in SoCal. Every character down to Link has representation. even ganondorf? | ||
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Thrillz
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Yes even Ganondorf, though some of them aren't particularly too active now. | ||
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Legacy_Tangent
United States6 Posts
To those of you drawing character parallels to Starcraft races, Fox is both difficult and easy. It's difficult to not die by execution errors, but developing good strategy and playing matchups effectively is not, and Fox players don't have to read the opponent as well due to his safety and option coverage. I think you underestimate the difficulty of learning this character and playing him in an environment of players who nearly ALL have years of experience playing fox. Just look at Hax for example. Even as mechanically adept as he is, he hasn't seen great results as of yet. So while I agree with you that the strategy and matchups aren't bad in themselves, I would never classify fox as easy. | ||
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Yomi-no-Kuni
Germany333 Posts
Edit: TL_Wobbles would be legendary... just a thought retired: check longtime top player: check teamless (haha lol, everyone is): check and, in a wobble accepting era, definitely a contender for the top spots | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
We also floated around the idea that Falco is better than Fox, just harder to use because of his slower speed, but that never actually panned out. We thought that the slower speed must mean a higher skill cap, but I think that mentality was just leftover from many, many games of Mario Kart where the fattest characters had the highest top speed but lowest acceleration. | ||
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sambo400
United States378 Posts
On April 01 2014 02:40 Kipsate wrote: No, Fox is like Terran Protoss is Marth. Quoted for accuracy. | ||
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