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GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
February 15 2014 16:13 GMT
#61
On February 16 2014 01:10 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 01:00 Leach wrote:
On February 16 2014 00:57 Steveling wrote:
Fully emulates our society.


Anarchy just doesn't work

This is what happens when everyone has a say/vote... nothing gets done


actually its getting done.. just very slowly :p
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Leach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 16:47:27
February 15 2014 16:46 GMT
#62
[image loading]

Well this is a problem..... it seems almost impossible to get 11 Right in a row without someone going Down or Left....., they've been stuck there forever now
HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
February 15 2014 16:50 GMT
#63
Yeah 20k people really can't get anything done. Trolls + delay makes it too hard. Safari Zone will be literally impossible unfortunately , that shit is hard enough for 1 person if they don't know what they're doing.
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wozzot
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1227 Posts
February 15 2014 16:51 GMT
#64
I was bored, so I decided to do an estimate of how many steps it would take to get out of Rock Tunnel.

Since it's going to be virtually impossible for Twitch chat to navigate Rock Tunnel even with a map (Flash is completely out of the question given how far out of the way you have to go to get HM05), I'm assuming a random walk path. Use this as input:

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Do 500 iterations, taking into account any failed navigation attempts caused by stepping on the start ladder, and the average comes out to approximately 159555 steps, not counting steps taken to get back into Rock Tunnel after a failed try, with a standard deviation of about 122442.

This is gonna take a while
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Leach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 16:58:23
February 15 2014 16:53 GMT
#65
On February 16 2014 01:51 wozzot wrote:
I was bored, so I decided to do an estimate of how many steps it would take to get out of Rock Tunnel.

Since it's going to be virtually impossible for Twitch chat to navigate Rock Tunnel even with a map (Flash is completely out of the question given how far out of the way you have to go to get HM05), I'm assuming a random walk path. Use this as input:

+ Show Spoiler +

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Do 500 iterations, taking into account any failed navigation attempts caused by stepping on the start ladder, and the average comes out to approximately 159555 steps, not counting steps taken to get back into Rock Tunnel after a failed try, with a standard deviation of about 122442.

This is gonna take a while



This is hilarious and very sad at the same time! :D

Also, right now they're nowhere near the entrance to Rock Tunnel. This pretty much sums up what's been happening for the past hours
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HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
February 15 2014 16:58 GMT
#66
So how is the actual Pokemon catching/training working out? I mean how does twitch chat get a Pokemon low and then throw a Pokeball at it and then heal it and then battle it successfully enough to level it up?

I haven't been watching until recently, but I can't comprehend how anything has been achieved at all, 3 gym badges is extremely impressive.
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Leach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States536 Posts
February 15 2014 17:06 GMT
#67
There's still hope though, they just need more lucky moments like this one

[image loading]
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
February 15 2014 17:40 GMT
#68
On February 16 2014 02:06 Leach wrote:
There's still hope though, they just need more lucky moments like this one

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holyshit. that is the luckiest if ever seen rofl
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
February 15 2014 17:51 GMT
#69
this isn't fun to watch in the slightest. oh well, maybe the people trolling have fun at least. although delay alone makes it kind of impossible.
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
February 15 2014 17:51 GMT
#70
This is the funniest and at the same time most frustrating shit I've ever seen =)
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
Leach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States536 Posts
February 15 2014 18:10 GMT
#71
On February 16 2014 02:51 HolydaKing wrote:
this isn't fun to watch in the slightest. oh well, maybe the people trolling have fun at least. although delay alone makes it kind of impossible.



Just don't take it serious at all and it becomes very amusing
keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
February 15 2014 18:56 GMT
#72
[image loading]

R.I.P
Graphics
Leach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 19:33:19
February 15 2014 19:04 GMT
#73
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 16 2014 03:56 keit wrote:
[image loading]

R.I.P


Noo way!! So close -.-
sp00nergasm, huh? What a d1ck

The last 3 hours in a nutshell:
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wozzot
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1227 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 19:56:59
February 15 2014 19:34 GMT
#74
So I tried making a couple of modifications to my script and fed it the Route 9 & 10 area data, and it has still not managed to reach the exit even once after over 15 minutes. Given that it can process 150,000 moves per second, I think it's safe to say that this run is fucked

On February 16 2014 04:37 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 04:34 wozzot wrote:
So I tried making a couple of modifications to my script and fed it the Route 9 & 10 area data, and it has still not managed to reach the exit even once after over 15 minutes. Given that it can process 150,000 moves per second, I think it's safe to say that this run is fucked

Route 9 and 10 are far from random though. While the delays makes things really weird, the commands are still vastly up and right.


I agree with you to an extent, but I've looked at it, and:
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The run keeps getting stuck at these two areas. The chances of getting through these two rows without a single person pressing down is infinitestimal (even if you assume that there is only a one-in-four chance of someone pressing down and no one pressing left, there's a ~3% chance of getting through the second row alone), and every time you get stuck, it takes a long time to get out.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 19:46:16
February 15 2014 19:37 GMT
#75
On February 16 2014 04:34 wozzot wrote:
So I tried making a couple of modifications to my script and fed it the Route 9 & 10 area data, and it has still not managed to reach the exit even once after over 15 minutes. Given that it can process 150,000 moves per second, I think it's safe to say that this run is fucked

Route 9 and 10 are far from random though. While the delays makes things really weird, the commands are still vastly up and right.

I'm sure if you plotted the whole progress until now with random movement the run would also be "fucked".
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
February 15 2014 19:53 GMT
#76
Yeah, "random" is not what's going on. You can't calculate it like that.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-15 19:58:44
February 15 2014 19:58 GMT
#77
There's a ss of them almost making it through the hardest part in this very page. I'm sure your calculations would also say that's not going to happen. You simply cannot say it's "safe" to say it's impossible to make it while your justification uses random walk. As hard as it is, it's very possible, specially after the chat slows down in slower timezones or after a few days stuck at the same spot.
Leach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States536 Posts
February 15 2014 20:01 GMT
#78
On February 16 2014 04:53 ThaZenith wrote:
Yeah, "random" is not what's going on. You can't calculate it like that.


Well in my opinion the truth lies somewhere in between. It's not a hundred per cent random, but both trolls and the ~20 sec delay make it pretty incalculable...
I don't think the situation is entirely hopeless, but it will certainly require quite some luck to get past the next two hurdles (the ledges and Rock Tunnel)
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
February 15 2014 20:06 GMT
#79
It's just that random movement is a completelly useless assumption. I don't think you would even beat the first Gym with random movement. Noone is saying it will be easy, and they may as well not be able to finish it, but any calculation with random movement is too flawed to be taken seriously.
Leach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States536 Posts
February 15 2014 20:23 GMT
#80
On February 16 2014 05:06 SKC wrote:
It's just that random movement is a completelly useless assumption. I don't think you would even beat the first Gym with random movement. Noone is saying it will be easy, and they may as well not be able to finish it, but any calculation with random movement is too flawed to be taken seriously.


I get your point, and you're definitely right, it's not completely random.
But only to the degree of a general direction due to the majority of the people trying to give useful input. And that still just leaves so much space for randomness....
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