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[chess] Topalov vs Kramnik - Page 7

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One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-25 20:30:44
September 25 2006 20:29 GMT
#121
@gacha, sure np, next time we play 5+3
That's why I waited after second game - you to challenge me on suitable time control.
It's very frustraiting that being guest I can't write, but no way I am paying for the site.
Anyway I will look for you when I log on playchess.com for few games.
Edit: Wow, I got firebat icon. Hoooooray
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
gacha
Profile Joined May 2006
Vietnam91 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-25 20:33:49
September 25 2006 20:32 GMT
#122
congratz :D
and i cant write either no money sux :D
Krammik is winning again if he 16. Bg5
and he've done that lolz . I think hes cheating
gacha
Profile Joined May 2006
Vietnam91 Posts
September 25 2006 21:06 GMT
#123
lol even Garry Kasparov joined us hahahaha
starofNC
Profile Joined July 2004
United States1340 Posts
September 25 2006 21:36 GMT
#124
i heard kramnik has a sprained finger so topolov clearly has the advantage in this one
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
September 25 2006 22:55 GMT
#125
Well, exciting draw.
I think it suits both: Kramnik, because match is short, and Topalov because he must lick his wounds of previous two defeats + he had black pieces today.
I predict tomorrow Topa to go all guns blazing to have a chance ...
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
September 26 2006 07:48 GMT
#126
Kramnik turned nerd mode on. Impossible to beat
Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
ssj100
Profile Joined September 2006
Afghanistan320 Posts
September 26 2006 08:22 GMT
#127
Game 4 coming up, with Topalov as white. Should be a great game - Topalov basically needs to win this, otherwise Kramnik has one hand on the title.
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
September 26 2006 20:32 GMT
#128
From Chessbase

(1) Topalov - Kramnik [D47]

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Nf3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Bd3 Bb7 9.a3 b4 10.Ne4 Nxe4 11.Bxe4 bxa3 12.0-0 Bd6 13.b3 Nf6 14.Nd2 [14.Nd2 Nxe4 15.Nxe4 Bxh2+ 16.Kxh2 Qh4+ 17.Kg1 Qxe4 18.f3 Qd5 19.Bxa3 Analysis on Playchess]

14...Qc7 15.Bf3 Bxh2+ 16.Kh1 Bd6 17.Nc4 Local time 15:30h. Seirawan: "Such an interesting position, I will start my broadcast early!" Susan Polgar: "Topalov is playing mind games with Kramnik by playing as fast as possible." Nigel Short: " I am not so sure, Susan. If he has not analysed this all, he is taking terrible risks because the position is already critical." Susan: "Agreed Nigel, I am sure it is all home prep."

17...Be7 18.Bxa3 0-0 19.Bxe7 Qxe7 20.Ra5 Rfd8 *

so far........
Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
Titanidis
Profile Joined April 2006
Greece132 Posts
September 26 2006 23:38 GMT
#129
So what races they play?
ssj100
Profile Joined September 2006
Afghanistan320 Posts
September 27 2006 06:17 GMT
#130
Game 4 ends in a draw. Kramnik is so difficult to beat in match play!
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-27 09:03:54
September 27 2006 09:03 GMT
#131
Nerd mode on
Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
September 27 2006 09:10 GMT
#132
im disapointed in topalovs opening choices.. i guess he just gave up on trying to breach the berling wall or something. but all of the positions in the games so far seem to be taken from a wet dream of kramniks. somewhat boring and positional to their nature. i think that if topalov stands any chance to turn this thing around he need to start creating complications earlier.
zzzzzz
ssj100
Profile Joined September 2006
Afghanistan320 Posts
September 27 2006 09:40 GMT
#133
Nerd mode or not, I want Kramink to win. He is in my eyes the sole World Champion already, after defeating Kasparov in a match back in 2000. Not many people would be able to come through 14 games with Kasparov and not lose a single game.
lightman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States731 Posts
September 27 2006 10:32 GMT
#134
Agreed

Kramnik along with Fischer may be the best match player ever. Like I said, the only other player that won a Championship match undefeated was Capablanca vs Lasker, and Lasker was no match as he was miles behind Capablanca's level, while Kramnnik defeated Kasparov when Garry was still on peak of his play.

As an extra comment, Fischer went through the candidates tournament 12-0 (+6-0=0) vs both Taimanov and Larssen. That is yes, two back to back matches featured six games, six wins no draws no losses vs two Grandmasters and top 10 players of that time. Overall he only lost 1 game in the entire candidates match vs Petrossian, to finish with a +17-1=3= score.

And remember that ok he lost 3 games vs Spassky in the World Championship, but one of those games was a forfiet loss, the other one was Fischer just complaining and playing dumb moves like falling for a poisned pawn (in Bw terms.... like that time midas went firebats in a TvsT game of WCG to lose on purpose)... nothing to say about his 3rd loss.

So objectively he +24-3=14 vs 4 (including two +6-0=0) of the top 10 players including the World Champion

Never seen in chess history.
Chuck Norris owns the greatest Poker Face of all-time. It helped him win the 1983 WSOP holding just a Get out of Jail Free Monopoloy card, and a green #4 card from the game UNO, against an AAA KK flop and his rival folding AK after Chuck raised him ALL-IN
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
September 27 2006 11:23 GMT
#135
Um... Saying Fischer is a great match player just because of a single great run may be exaggerating things. Sure, for about one year he was better than everyone else. No argument with that. But to say that he's the best *match* player ever because of that is a bit stretching it. Same thing with Kramnik. He won in 2000 against Kasparov, that's all well and good. But it takes more than one good match to make "the best match player in history". Just as it takes more than one 2800 performance level in a tournament before a person starts claiming to be the best tournament player ever seen in chess. Somewhere along the line, I think that Kasparov really doesn't get enough credit as a match player too. He lost one World Championship match, sure (let's not get into Comp vs Comp). However, he's defended his title against the likes of Karpov (3/4 times), Nigel Short and Anand. And beaten the latter two fairly decisively.

As for creating complications earlier: I highly doubt it if it is possible, as least with the level of opening preparation these guys should have. The complications that Topalov have tried with his pawn sacrifices are about as 'wild' as you're going to get with Kramnik as Black or White. It's not as easy to play agressively with or against 1. d4 as against 1. e4.
IIICodeIIIIIII
Profile Joined April 2006
China1101 Posts
September 28 2006 14:12 GMT
#136
Topalov's Manager accuses Kramnik of suspiciously many bathroom breaks averaging 50 per game. Will rescind from match unless bathroom breaks are monitored.

Chess Contender Complains of Rival’s 50 Bathroom Breaks

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/29/crosswords/chess/29chess.html?ex=1317182400&en=71e292f019522b47&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
September 28 2006 14:46 GMT
#137
fifty? Seems kind of exaggerated. I remember Kasparov liked to get up and walk around when playing Fritz on ESPN.

Here's what Eric Schiller, international chess arbiter, author, and FIDE master said at CG.com:

I can comment on crime makes trips to the bathroom. This came up in the 2000 match against Kasparov, and it turns out that Kramnik has a condition which causes frequent bathroom visits. That's all there is to it.


Oh yeah, about Topalov's Mananger

From the Ottawa Chess Club board:
GM Kevin Spraggett:
"I know a little bit about Topalov because he lives in Spain, less than 200 miles from where I live in Portugal. From time to time I see him, and once I even slept over at his apartment. He is a very simple and kind person. Easy to like, too.

In Bulgaria he was a chess prodigy of sorts, but not like Kasparov. His talent developed in a different way and rhythm. He had no state support. But when he was about 12 years old Danailov, his actual trainer and companion, spoke to Topalov’s family and got permission to personally train him.

Danailov took Topalov to his apartment and told him ‘From now on, you live here and this will become your new home. I am not just your trainer, but I am also your mother and your father. I am your cook. I am the one who will wash your clothes. I am the one who will pay your bills and expenses to tournaments. All I want from you is to think only about chess!’’

Topalov developed very quickly under Danailov’s guideance [sic]. He became a super star in the chessworld by the time he was 19. This relationship has remained just as strong until today. Topalov does not have a girlfriend or any real friends in the classical meaning of it. He has only his chess, but he would not change his universe for any other.

And he has Danailov. Danailov is paid, I am told, 50 percent of everything that Topalov wins, and while many might think that is excessive, the Topalov-Danailov relationship is very unique. And mutually beneficial. And now it seems as though their faith in each other will make history in this tournament."
TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
September 28 2006 15:23 GMT
#138
is there anywhere i can get a site where i can look at past sweet chess matches with amazing players?? :D:D:D:D
Dixer_ca^^ | Polt | Byun | MKP | DRG | White-Ra | Beastyqt | Maru | Creator
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
September 28 2006 16:15 GMT
#139
http://www.chessgames.com
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-28 16:55:13
September 28 2006 16:22 GMT
#140
TearsOfTheSun, I like chessgames.com, some like chessbase.com.

If you want serious matches, chessgames.com recently implemented a new match history tracking thingy http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=53788

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