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Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
February 01 2015 23:31 GMT
#8181
On February 02 2015 00:35 Firebolt145 wrote:
Yes compared to what it used to be but afaik it's still the best/only resource for pvp

I personally like Skill Capped too, but it's not free (roughly 4 USD a month for all their content). Not sure how worth for people who are already good, but it helped me a great deal.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 02 2015 00:01 GMT
#8182
I'm bored, so I started farming for Insane in the Membrane.
Beside the Ravenhold rogue only bullshit, it's a pretty tame achievement to get these days it seems, with the new Darkmoon Faire island and the removal of Sen'dralar, they cut the hard parts. - Those unique librams back in the day... )

The annoying part, I have a rogue lvl 65 I could use for ravenhold, but he's on the wrong server, and in the wrong faction haha.
I'm pretty sure it's cheaper to pay for a character boost than for a server transfer + faction change too.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
February 02 2015 01:29 GMT
#8183
It's 5 bucks more expensive in the US, imagine it's similar in Europe.
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SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
February 02 2015 01:31 GMT
#8184
On February 02 2015 09:01 Noocta wrote:
I'm bored, so I started farming for Insane in the Membrane.
Beside the Ravenhold rogue only bullshit, it's a pretty tame achievement to get these days it seems, with the new Darkmoon Faire island and the removal of Sen'dralar, they cut the hard parts. - Those unique librams back in the day... )

The annoying part, I have a rogue lvl 65 I could use for ravenhold, but he's on the wrong server, and in the wrong faction haha.
I'm pretty sure it's cheaper to pay for a character boost than for a server transfer + faction change too.


Thanks for reminding me why I shouldn't install WoW again.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 02 2015 04:56 GMT
#8185
On February 02 2015 08:25 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 06:41 Teoita wrote:
Normal first, set bonuses alone are worth it

This has been my argument the whole time: gear up and get set bonuses first, but raid leader is like "nope, heroic first because I'm not a pussy."

To be fair its not as if BRF is difficult on heroic (at least PTR wise)

Then again I don't really care much about my set bonus as a disc priest so maybe I'm just bias in favour of progress
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 02 2015 05:01 GMT
#8186
On February 02 2015 13:56 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 08:25 deth2munkies wrote:
On February 02 2015 06:41 Teoita wrote:
Normal first, set bonuses alone are worth it

This has been my argument the whole time: gear up and get set bonuses first, but raid leader is like "nope, heroic first because I'm not a pussy."

To be fair its not as if BRF is difficult on heroic (at least PTR wise)

Then again I don't really care much about my set bonus as a disc priest so maybe I'm just bias in favour of progress

The set bonuses are mediocre for Affliction and absolutely gamebreaking for Demo. I've been learning demo at the request of my raid leader and it's very weird. I really don't like how the systems work, but it's not that hard.
Nisyax
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Netherlands756 Posts
February 02 2015 12:11 GMT
#8187
Our guild is going straight in heroic, probably so we can get our ass back in mythic highmaul as soon as possible that week
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 02 2015 12:13 GMT
#8188
On February 02 2015 21:11 Nisyax wrote:
Our guild is going straight in heroic, probably so we can get our ass back in mythic highmaul as soon as possible that week

At least mythic will be much easier with the free 680 gear
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 12:31:59
February 02 2015 12:27 GMT
#8189
On February 02 2015 14:01 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 13:56 Drazerk wrote:
On February 02 2015 08:25 deth2munkies wrote:
On February 02 2015 06:41 Teoita wrote:
Normal first, set bonuses alone are worth it

This has been my argument the whole time: gear up and get set bonuses first, but raid leader is like "nope, heroic first because I'm not a pussy."

To be fair its not as if BRF is difficult on heroic (at least PTR wise)

Then again I don't really care much about my set bonus as a disc priest so maybe I'm just bias in favour of progress

The set bonuses are mediocre for Affliction and absolutely gamebreaking for Demo. I've been learning demo at the request of my raid leader and it's very weird. I really don't like how the systems work, but it's not that hard.


The set bonuses actually are very significant for Affliction according to sims. Right now Demo is blowing the other lock specs out of the water on nearly every fight. But when Afflic gets the 4pc set, it is neck and neck with Demo after having 4pc set as well!
Source:
http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/8652-warlock-tier-17-set-bonus-simulations/

Summary Quote

So if you were to compare the three top builds for each spec, this is what it looks like at single-target...

1st - Affliction = 28,897
2nd - Destruction = 28,711
3rd - Demonology = 27,897

These numbers are very balanced. If you open it up to 2 targets, it changes drastically.

1st - Affliction = 36,428
2nd - Demonology = 35,967
3rd - Destruction = 32,516


I've mained affliction forever, but decided to try Demo after the buff partly for fun and partly because it simply was destroying Afflic/Destro. It really does make a huge difference in DPS though Demo has a high learning curve and takes a lot of practice to get down to muscle memory. As you continue to play it you keep finding new opportunities to fit in more damage somewhere too. It's a really fun indepth spec imo.

With the 4pc set, I can easily choose Afflic over Demo without worry about gimping my dps. I like Afflic better for movement heavy fights since I can just keep DoTs up and channel/stopchannel Drain Soul on the move. And I find it easier to focus on mechanics with Afflic since there's far less to focus on than Demo (even after playing it for a couple weeks I still make suboptimal moves with it) and my dps is consistent with Afflic.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 02 2015 12:57 GMT
#8190
On February 02 2015 21:27 EscPlan9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 14:01 deth2munkies wrote:
On February 02 2015 13:56 Drazerk wrote:
On February 02 2015 08:25 deth2munkies wrote:
On February 02 2015 06:41 Teoita wrote:
Normal first, set bonuses alone are worth it

This has been my argument the whole time: gear up and get set bonuses first, but raid leader is like "nope, heroic first because I'm not a pussy."

To be fair its not as if BRF is difficult on heroic (at least PTR wise)

Then again I don't really care much about my set bonus as a disc priest so maybe I'm just bias in favour of progress

The set bonuses are mediocre for Affliction and absolutely gamebreaking for Demo. I've been learning demo at the request of my raid leader and it's very weird. I really don't like how the systems work, but it's not that hard.


The set bonuses actually are very significant for Affliction according to sims. Right now Demo is blowing the other lock specs out of the water on nearly every fight. But when Afflic gets the 4pc set, it is neck and neck with Demo after having 4pc set as well!
Source:
http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/8652-warlock-tier-17-set-bonus-simulations/

Summary Quote
Show nested quote +

So if you were to compare the three top builds for each spec, this is what it looks like at single-target...

1st - Affliction = 28,897
2nd - Destruction = 28,711
3rd - Demonology = 27,897

These numbers are very balanced. If you open it up to 2 targets, it changes drastically.

1st - Affliction = 36,428
2nd - Demonology = 35,967
3rd - Destruction = 32,516


I've mained affliction forever, but decided to try Demo after the buff partly for fun and partly because it simply was destroying Afflic/Destro. It really does make a huge difference in DPS though Demo has a high learning curve and takes a lot of practice to get down to muscle memory. As you continue to play it you keep finding new opportunities to fit in more damage somewhere too. It's a really fun indepth spec imo.

With the 4pc set, I can easily choose Afflic over Demo without worry about gimping my dps. I like Afflic better for movement heavy fights since I can just keep DoTs up and channel/stopchannel Drain Soul on the move. And I find it easier to focus on mechanics with Afflic since there's far less to focus on than Demo (even after playing it for a couple weeks I still make suboptimal moves with it) and my dps is consistent with Afflic.


Well I swapped to demo when we were working on Mythic Tectus and Brackenspore, 2 fights with a lot of adds. Affliction does nothing to spore shooters (they're dead before dots tick) and does no damage in P3 of Tectus. When you go over 3 targets, I don't think Affliciton keeps up with the other specs, and with how bad Charred Remains is, I don't think Destro is anywhere near demo either.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
February 02 2015 13:10 GMT
#8191
Isn't Destro pretty good on Brackenspore with havoc+shadowburn on adds?
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 13:19:56
February 02 2015 13:15 GMT
#8192
On February 02 2015 22:10 Teoita wrote:
Isn't Destro pretty good on Brackenspore with havoc+shadowburn on adds?


That only works if Bracken or the add is at 20%. Not to mention look at how much lower destro is at 2 target than Aff and Demo. Most of the fight is 2 target.

Also: I'm assuming the 2 target uses Soulburn: Haunt instead of Demonic Servitude, right?
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 13:19:50
February 02 2015 13:16 GMT
#8193
Yeah, Destro at least has its own niche on fights where you can havoc/shadowburn adds, and does pretty well on Brackenspore/Imperator/M Kargath. Aff on the other hand is just straight up inferior to Demo since the Demo buff :/

On February 02 2015 22:15 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 22:10 Teoita wrote:
Isn't Destro pretty good on Brackenspore with havoc+shadowburn on adds?


That only works if Bracken or the add is at 20%. Not to mention look at how much lower destro is at 2 target than Aff and Demo. Most of the fight is 2 target.

You can Havoc the boss/add and shadowburn spore shooters/mushrooms, that way you have tons of embers. Plus destro has the best "on demand" burst of all 3 specs for spore shooters.

Brackenspore is probably the best Destro fight in HM with imperator.
Romanes eunt domus
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 13:22:13
February 02 2015 13:21 GMT
#8194
On February 02 2015 22:16 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Yeah, Destro at least has its own niche on fights where you can havoc/shadowburn adds, and does pretty well on Brackenspore/Imperator/M Kargath. Aff on the other hand is just straight up inferior to Demo since the Demo buff :/

Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 22:15 deth2munkies wrote:
On February 02 2015 22:10 Teoita wrote:
Isn't Destro pretty good on Brackenspore with havoc+shadowburn on adds?


That only works if Bracken or the add is at 20%. Not to mention look at how much lower destro is at 2 target than Aff and Demo. Most of the fight is 2 target.

You can Havoc the boss/add and shadowburn spore shooters/mushrooms, that way you have tons of embers. Plus destro has the best "on demand" burst of all 3 specs for spore shooters.

Brackenspore is probably the best Destro fight in HM with imperator.


I mean theoretically yes you could, but you'd have to not attack the spore shooters until they were all at 20%, which wouldn't really work in my guild. Our main problem is that when one spawns far away, people tend to ignore it. Then we wipe when we stack. Demonbolt is a good, on demand way to take it out.

The way I was picturing it was killing a spore shooter instantly with 3 shadowburns on the boss, which would be much better in that situation for our problem.
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 15:30:48
February 02 2015 15:29 GMT
#8195
Why would you not attack the spore until 20%?
Precast Havoc ~10secs before the spore spawn, if you keep attacking the boss havoc charges don't get used. When the spores spawn, Chaos Bolt once, and Havoc again when the spore are at ~25% and SBx3.

Worst case it dies too fast and you won't be able to get 3xSB in, but you can still get an incinerate/conflag on the next one that still cleaves the boss and generates emberbits.

Once you get the Havoc/SB timing down (which is what destro is all about) Destro should really be the best spec on this boss (unless you're on Flamethrower duty, which shouldn't be the case)

You can use a focus or mouseover macro to havoc the boss easily. Mouseover Shadowburn + Tidyplates to change the color of the ennemy healthbars under 20% is pretty cool too.
Romanes eunt domus
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
February 02 2015 16:09 GMT
#8196
One more thing about Affliction and the 4pc set.. SB:Haunt will almost guaranteed be the best talent to pick with it. That also helps out affliction a lot for multiple target dotting since the SB:Haunt is a buff on yourself and so all your dots on all the targets hit harder. I previously shyed away from SB:Haunt because of the RNG with the shard regen, but the tier set will make that less prone to RNG screw.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 03 2015 01:36 GMT
#8197
On February 03 2015 01:09 EscPlan9 wrote:
One more thing about Affliction and the 4pc set.. SB:Haunt will almost guaranteed be the best talent to pick with it. That also helps out affliction a lot for multiple target dotting since the SB:Haunt is a buff on yourself and so all your dots on all the targets hit harder. I previously shyed away from SB:Haunt because of the RNG with the shard regen, but the tier set will make that less prone to RNG screw.


While I'm well aware of this, it feels really bad that the spec is so RNG heavy. If your Haunt drops so does your DPS, and keeping it up is completely random. Nice to see that they're adding stuff to mitigate the RNG a bit, but it feels really bad that what we're getting seems to fix a problem rather than buff our strengths.
nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
February 03 2015 02:43 GMT
#8198
So it's the eve before BRF how far has everyone progressed?

Personally I'm at 673 ivl (should go up another point or 2 when I get my HM cache late tonight) but stuck on 1/7M as I still can't get into a mythic guild as a tank :S I might have to just give up and learn to dps (had a few offers to join guilds in a dps role but I just have very little interest in it)

Overall I'm fairly satisfied with how far I've gotten considering all of my progression was in Pugs. So what about everyone else? Did you achieve what you set out to? How far do you think you get week 1 in BRF? Full clear on Normal, Heroic?

Y'know sometimes people ask me y'know like "What's your religion and stuff?" And I'm like "y' know it's like RTS." Uh, and they're like, "What's that?" And I'm like, "Y'know it's kinda like, kinda like Buddism."
KingDime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada750 Posts
February 03 2015 02:57 GMT
#8199
Ended up getting 6/7 mythic and are getting new people for BRF, a few people got really flaky around imperator mar'gok sadly.

Hoping to knock out all of BRF considering there will prob be more time in this raid than highmaul. Sitting at 682 ilvl, looking most forward to train fight!
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 03 2015 03:03 GMT
#8200
anyone have any idea what maxiumum melee dps in a mythic raid should be? trying to figure out who we needa cut for range
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