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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 30 2014 22:36 GMT
#7441
I keep getting into heroic pug that just can't kill Butcher, I'm so sad and tired of this. It's usually not even a dps issue anymore, but tanks and the players doing the stack die all the time. Sigh...

Sometimes I really wish I was part of a roster and would not have to go throught all that stuff.

" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22373 Posts
December 30 2014 22:44 GMT
#7442
On December 31 2014 07:02 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 06:26 KingDime wrote:
On December 31 2014 04:11 Kipsate wrote:
Highmaul is average, its not good but its not bad, the highlight is definitely the last boss as I find that to be a significant step above the others both in difficulty and design. For a first raid its oke, although Kargath is extremely dissapointing as a Warlord of Draenor.


maybe its partially because of how long ive been away from wow. during the kargath fight i spent more time focusing on the sounds of the gladiatorial arena than on kargath. the setting of the fight got me hyped up for raiding again but ya i had a similar feeling with nerzhul and orgrim doomhammer that they were killed off too quickly.



Like Terrongor I am very much expecting the origins of Death Knight / Lich King to come up at some point in regards to Nerzhul. Orgrim just went out waaaaaay too quickly.

If it had been a 3 tier expansion (it may still become one) I would agree. It would have been nice to expand some more on what Gul'dan has been doing since his failed attempt at getting the orcs to drink the blood. I would assume a good deal of warlocks died. Tho he has no fallen Knights of Azeroth for bodies this time.
Lich King is unlikely tho since that was the next trick the Legion tried after the Orcish Horde got beaten. I dont think they would use a "in their eyes" random orc for it. The old Ner'zul had been head of the Horde in Draenor ever since the first war.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DCRed
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland435 Posts
December 30 2014 23:12 GMT
#7443
http://imgur.com/a/aq50l 5/5 would join instantly. The thing is, if you want to pug content when it's just come out and kill more than one boss you usually have to have contacts and be in one of the big servers. Randoms are hardly going to be pushing 7/7hc after few weeks, unless you do shit ton of preparation to host the weekly yourself, the other thing is to wait that several guilds in your server are having the raid in farm so that there'll be more people with alts capable of pugging heroic/mythic content.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 30 2014 23:16 GMT
#7444
Tbh i don't see the average pug downing imperator in any difficulty, ever. The other day i joined a somewhat decent normal group since my guild is on break for the holidays, got 6/7 ez...then mines and wraths happened. It was really fucking mindblowing.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 30 2014 23:22 GMT
#7445
On December 31 2014 08:12 DCRed wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/aq50l 5/5 would join instantly. The thing is, if you want to pug content when it's just come out and kill more than one boss you usually have to have contacts and be in one of the big servers. Randoms are hardly going to be pushing 7/7hc after few weeks, unless you do shit ton of preparation to host the weekly yourself, the other thing is to wait that several guilds in your server are having the raid in farm so that there'll be more people with alts capable of pugging heroic/mythic content.

this has been putting me off being able to do highmaul other than LFR

im not in a guild and every group either says 640+ for normal or 'bring achievement'

fukin sucks
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 23:26:48
December 30 2014 23:25 GMT
#7446
That's how most pugs have always been. "LFM ICC10, 6k gearscore link kingslayer"...

Tbh your best bet with pugging is trying to find something that looks like a guild/alt run that needs to fill a couple of spots. Anything else is a recipe for disaster imo

Btw just wondering, is there any class/spec that has one secondary that is so shit, that item level upgrades may end up not being actual upgrades? Kind of like ww/mw monks and mastery. I see lots of people either complaining that ilvl upgrades aren't actual gear upgrades, but honestly that just doesn't make any sense to me. Attack power/spell power >>> pretty much anything since, well, ever.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
KingDime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada750 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-30 23:27:18
December 30 2014 23:25 GMT
#7447
Theres some good pugs out there, i've been joining Neebs pugs for heroic when im not doing it in guild, took about 2.5-3 hrs for a full heroic clear last week. The great part about these groups is the leader gets a ton of bnet contacts which results in good groups every week. On the other end of the pug spectrum, I joined a group that couldn't do normal kargath last week........... I silently stepped out after the first wipe. How can you wipe on kargath you might ask???? The entire stands group died in a 12 person group while 2 people on the low ground fell into the cat pits.
Doom Guy
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 30 2014 23:27 GMT
#7448
im hoping just to be able to join a guild when i go back to uni

ive been putting it off cos my next is too ass to commit to raid times
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
KingDime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada750 Posts
December 30 2014 23:30 GMT
#7449
I would help you find a decent pug group targe but I assume you're on an EU server. People will usually take a 630 if you're grouped with someone higher.
Doom Guy
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 30 2014 23:31 GMT
#7450
yeah im eu, tbh im just focusing on improving where i can through heroics, enchanting and stuff
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
December 30 2014 23:49 GMT
#7451
On December 31 2014 02:59 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 02:50 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 31 2014 02:46 Teoita wrote:
To be fair, apexis is a much worse mechanic than what we've had in the past (badges/valor) to get decent pre raid gear that's a step up from hcs. That said, it's such a small deal with cm's, lfr and all the raid difficulties that i don't think most complaints about content are justified.

God I hope they are not going to add item upgrades to Apexis. I hated the weekly valor grind after the first month. I donno wanne do that stuff every single day for the rest of the expansion


There's no way they bring back item upgrades. It's probably the single dumbest feature ever introduced in WoW.

Oh yeah, WARFORGED SOCKETED TERTIARY stat random rolls are sooooooo much better /s
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-31 00:03:16
December 31 2014 00:02 GMT
#7452
On December 31 2014 08:25 Teoita wrote:
That's how most pugs have always been. "LFM ICC10, 6k gearscore link kingslayer"...

Tbh your best bet with pugging is trying to find something that looks like a guild/alt run that needs to fill a couple of spots. Anything else is a recipe for disaster imo

Btw just wondering, is there any class/spec that has one secondary that is so shit, that item level upgrades may end up not being actual upgrades? Kind of like ww/mw monks and mastery. I see lots of people either complaining that ilvl upgrades aren't actual gear upgrades, but honestly that just doesn't make any sense to me. Attack power/spell power >>> pretty much anything since, well, ever.


I tested this last week.

Most of my upgrades lately have been Crit heavy on my Ret Paladin with Crit being our weakest secondary stat besides of course the god awful Versatility.

I gave up a lot of Mastery for the ilvl gain and was worried that it would actually be a DPS loss. It wasn't. The gain wasn't as high as it would've been if the gear had been properly itemized for sure but it was still an upgrade.

Primary stats are just that strong.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-31 00:27:20
December 31 2014 00:23 GMT
#7453
On December 31 2014 08:22 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 08:12 DCRed wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/aq50l 5/5 would join instantly. The thing is, if you want to pug content when it's just come out and kill more than one boss you usually have to have contacts and be in one of the big servers. Randoms are hardly going to be pushing 7/7hc after few weeks, unless you do shit ton of preparation to host the weekly yourself, the other thing is to wait that several guilds in your server are having the raid in farm so that there'll be more people with alts capable of pugging heroic/mythic content.

this has been putting me off being able to do highmaul other than LFR

im not in a guild and every group either says 640+ for normal or 'bring achievement'

fukin sucks


Install fake achiever. How I got into pubs until I ended up killing imperator in a pub. Now i'm pretty far into content only doing pubs

That said I only join groups that do armoury checks now - best way to ensure people are competent. Also if you need someone to pub with hit me up sometime - Drazerk#2136 I'm horde and generally have nothing better to do than pug highmaul
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
December 31 2014 01:01 GMT
#7454
On December 31 2014 08:25 Teoita wrote:
That's how most pugs have always been. "LFM ICC10, 6k gearscore link kingslayer"...

Tbh your best bet with pugging is trying to find something that looks like a guild/alt run that needs to fill a couple of spots. Anything else is a recipe for disaster imo

Btw just wondering, is there any class/spec that has one secondary that is so shit, that item level upgrades may end up not being actual upgrades? Kind of like ww/mw monks and mastery. I see lots of people either complaining that ilvl upgrades aren't actual gear upgrades, but honestly that just doesn't make any sense to me. Attack power/spell power >>> pretty much anything since, well, ever.



Yes, my class has terrible secondary stats for the most part.

As combat I need to stack haste/multistrike but haste is easily the worst stat for sub rogues because they have it built into snd already. Assassination also doesn't need that much haste (albeit it isn't terrible, but crit/multi are much more desirable).

Most highmaul gear isn't even an upgrade for sub rogues so they basically only get marginal dps increase (they start at the best of the 3 rogue specs for single target, at end of highmaul sub = combat > assa). In BRF gear sub finally gets some gear but still isn't even the best spec by then because combat scales better with gear (albeit barely, its like a 1-1.5k dps difference in 695 gear sims only since I haven't actually got 695 gear =D).

Although for myself none of this matters because I am only 650 ilvl and people don't invite rogues to pugs =). Like the picture posted above so many people want 7/7 before they even consider you joining, even though I can top dps in normal because I have decent gear and can play my class at least somewhat decently. Still using shitty 630 weapons though, haven't seen a single drop =/.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 31 2014 01:04 GMT
#7455
Just use fake achiever and pray you get lucky. Generally leather wearers / cloth wearers are screwed out over invites because people trying to secure loot (Why I personally prefer personal over master). That said never accept an invite for a bracken heroic group if the raid leader is a hunter and it is on master loot that fucking bow causes so much drama the group is never going to continue
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 31 2014 01:10 GMT
#7456
youre the best drazerk

i just got accepted to some highmaul group AND WOW CRASHED ON TP
fuck zzzzz
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 31 2014 01:12 GMT
#7457
So far it often feels when pug needs a dps, it's often a mage or a shaman dps because BL isn't common enough.

I'm very annoyed I can't bring the argument of " Hunter has a BL " for pugs, because the main spec is lonewolf and the BL is on a pet.
Although, I have pretty damn good ilvl ( 657, thank god for my conquest gear ) and competent hunter are needed on most fights, so getting accepted into groups isn't usually the issue, it's just finding the right ones...
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
December 31 2014 01:17 GMT
#7458
On December 31 2014 10:12 Noocta wrote:
So far it often feels when pug needs a dps, it's often a mage or a shaman dps because BL isn't common enough.

I'm very annoyed I can't bring the argument of " Hunter has a BL " for pugs, because the main spec is lonewolf and the BL is on a pet.
Although, I have pretty damn good ilvl ( 657, thank god for my conquest gear ) and competent hunter are needed on most fights, so getting accepted into groups isn't usually the issue, it's just finding the right ones...

Generally every group wants 2 hunters for Butcher / Bracken so you can get in fresh groups pretty easy i've found. You just have to make sure you actually whisper the god damn raid leader. 9/10 times if you message the raid leader with curve you get in straight away but no one ever seems to right click the damn application.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 31 2014 08:52 GMT
#7459
I have been running pugs with Twitch viewers lol. Ran a heroic pug with Kuznam and 1 shot everything minus last boss in which we 2 shot it due to Kuznam setting of traps/whoring adds xD
Then did a normal pug with Naguura last night on my 630 healing priest XD

Quite easy to pug as long as people know what they are doing.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
December 31 2014 09:39 GMT
#7460
FYI the top hunter spec often is surv with focusing shot now rather than mm/lw.
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