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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 07 2020 00:04 HolydaKing wrote: Latest B2W streams were with old graphics. Just for your info, it's been posted on this page as well (that is, the last page). Have they given an "official" reason why? Is it just to prevent desync or are they also finally fed up with it? They talked about how they used it to get used to it, but it is really obvious they don't actually prefer it. This whole thing is so sad to me, for B2W. They went all-in, Blizzard shit the bed, now it is hard to find sponsors for a game with a 0.3 metacritic score. They tried to help push the new graphics, hoping they would improve, they didn't, shit still sucks, game is in a notably worse state than 3 months ago. I'll definitely be supporting them via Patreon. I want them to be successful! Are there examples of a company ruining a game quite as fantastically as Blizzard did with WC3? | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4300 Posts
On March 07 2020 00:58 Mohdoo wrote: Have they given an "official" reason why? Is it just to prevent desync or are they also finally fed up with it? They talked about how they used it to get used to it, but it is really obvious they don't actually prefer it. This whole thing is so sad to me, for B2W. They went all-in, Blizzard shit the bed, now it is hard to find sponsors for a game with a 0.3 metacritic score. They tried to help push the new graphics, hoping they would improve, they didn't, shit still sucks, game is in a notably worse state than 3 months ago. I'll definitely be supporting them via Patreon. I want them to be successful! Are there examples of a company ruining a game quite as fantastically as Blizzard did with WC3? If they don't prefer it then why the f*** do they keep on using it? I don't understand.. there are so many comments about using the classic graphics under their YT videos, too.. Most people are asking politely.. but only the ones praising Reforged graphics and calling people who prefer classic "whiners, crybabies, annoying" etc are getting "hearted" comments from B2W.. it's weird. anyways, about why they were using classic graphics in the latest broadcast.. I'll tell you why..  because it was a netease tournament and netease doesn't have "Reforged" graphics implemented yet, as far as I know. So even if they wanted to use Reforged graphics, they would not be able to.. hence classic graphics were used.That is all. It's not because they finally came to their senses or anything like that. And to answer your last question - I really don't think so.. At least not any example I'm able to come up with now.. and definitely not any examples of old games being "Reforged" in a way that it literally deletes and destroys the old game and makes the new "Reforged" version barely playable and 50x worse than the original.. I really don't think this "feat" will ever be repeated again. Ever. | ||
GTR
51706 Posts
loving how players in europe are playing out of the box of tradition - thorzain with his pally/rifle too | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
They're currently using classic graphics because as they have information that desyncs are related to spectators and players using different versions. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On March 09 2020 13:30 Amarok wrote: Neo has stated that he thinks the blowback at the graphics is overblown, though it does have problems. I completely agree. I enjoy the high res textures and models greatly. The colours/brightness could be better but you get used to it. They're currently using classic graphics because as they have information that desyncs are related to spectators and players using different versions. There are a few models in particular that to me are firmly in the uncanny valley. For example Undead Arthas/Death Knight model. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4300 Posts
On March 09 2020 13:30 Amarok wrote: Neo has stated that he thinks the blowback at the graphics is overblown, though it does have problems. I completely agree. I enjoy the high res textures and models greatly. The colours/brightness could be better but you get used to it. They're currently using classic graphics because as they have information that desyncs are related to spectators and players using different versions. Nah.. I'm never getting used to this trash. I kinda lost much of my respect for neo and remo for shilling so hard for new graphics even after blasting Bli$$ard for being incompetent bunch of wankers that put out barely functional game, etc.. If they don't fix this anytime soon I won't watch any broadcasts using Reforged graphics. I just can't stand watching it, gives me the creeps. And I tried really hard too.. Thank God there are still couple of YT channels that cast replays in Classic graphics.. I mean Bli$$ard fucked them up too, so they're not as good as they used to be (especially the sounds..), but Its either that or nothing.. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On March 09 2020 23:02 M3t4PhYzX wrote:I kinda lost much of my respect for neo and remo for shilling so hard for new graphics even after blasting Bli$$ard What a stupid comment. There's literally no one that has done more to keep this scene alive than those two. The idea that they're "shilling" for anything when their history is one of gutbusting hours for nothing more than the love of the game is beyond retarded. Maybe they, you know, have a different opinion on the graphics than you do. Shilling. Fmd. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
They’re a serious step down in quality from Blizzards typical quality on a nearly objective level. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On March 10 2020 12:20 Zambrah wrote: Maybe you should get a new opinion on the graphics? Nah I'm good. Thanks for the concern though. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4300 Posts
On March 10 2020 09:54 Amarok wrote: What a stupid comment. There's literally no one that has done more to keep this scene alive than those two. The idea that they're "shilling" for anything when their history is one of gutbusting hours for nothing more than the love of the game is beyond retarded. Maybe they, you know, have a different opinion on the graphics than you do. Shilling. Fmd. yeah okay dude. Get wrecked. Bli$$ard apologist detected. Zero care about what you have to say, really. Sorry. I never said that they didnt do anything for the community, they did a lot. A LOT. And exactly this is why they should be at the forefront of blasting Bli$$ard every time they can, of not using Reforged graphics and saying why are they doing that. Of telling everyone that professionals dont use reforged graphics and why is that. They're not doing any of that. Because they dont want to lose their jobs, I get that.. But I can't look at that and not feel like it's a shilling operation, a bit. It hurts me twice as bad because because of their YT channel my love for the game was rekindled back in 2016 (after 3 year break). | ||
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cha0
Canada518 Posts
On March 10 2020 21:54 M3t4PhYzX wrote: yeah okay dude. Get wrecked. Bli$$ard apologist detected. Zero care about what you have to say, really. Sorry. I never said that they didnt do anything for the community, they did a lot. A LOT. And exactly this is why they should be at the forefront of blasting Bli$$ard every time they can, of not using Reforged graphics and saying why are they doing that. Of telling everyone that professionals dont use reforged graphics and why is that. They're not doing any of that. Because they dont want to lose their jobs, I get that.. But I can't look at that and not feel like it's a shilling operation, a bit. It hurts me twice as bad because because of their YT channel my love for the game was rekindled back in 2016 (after 3 year break). Except they have done it... Both Neo and Remo completely blasted Blizzard on Tod's Townhall show. They've said their piece, there's no point in repeatedly blasting Blizz non-stop. Calling them shills is idiotic. | ||
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RandomPlayer416
84 Posts
There isn't a chance in hell Blizzard is not aware of the disaster they created. The truth is they just dont care. We watched them let SC2 decay away slowly because there wasnt enough new revenue coming in. They did such a bad job on reforged they are likely just to cut their losses and never improve anything. Its so bad now that it has no chance of surviving or maintaining a competitive player base. I know there have been poor releases before, but those were always with new games. This game is 18years old and everyone knows what they're missing. This is why no one is motivated to put up with all the bullshit that comes with playing reforged combined with complete lack of communication with teh community. I mean when the first major tournament was a debacle and they havent even made a statement about it or shown any sort of incentive to fix the issues, the writing is on the wall for the future of this game. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4300 Posts
On March 10 2020 22:40 cha0 wrote: Except they have done it... Both Neo and Remo completely blasted Blizzard on Tod's Townhall show. They've said their piece, there's no point in repeatedly blasting Blizz non-stop. Calling them shills is idiotic. i know they did.. I already said it earlier. Feels like it's not enough though.. I feel like the biggest content creators should get together and write open letter to bli$$ard or something.. idk, maybe it would help a tiny bit.. ugh.. what a mess. Still. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On March 10 2020 23:53 RandomPlayer416 wrote: They did such a bad job on reforged they are likely just to cut their losses and never improve anything. Its so bad now that it has no chance of surviving or maintaining a competitive player base. Warcraft 3 isn't dying. It's got too much going for it and it has form, surviving for 10 years without a patch. Bnet could well become a ghost town (though it's a long way from it now) but thats a different matter. Netease is going nowhere. WC3 has China for the foreseeable future. If things get too bad in EU a private server will pop up too. | ||
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RandomPlayer416
84 Posts
On March 11 2020 05:46 Amarok wrote: Warcraft 3 isn't dying. It's got too much going for it and it has form, surviving for 10 years without a patch. Bnet could well become a ghost town (though it's a long way from it now) but thats a different matter. Netease is going nowhere. WC3 has China for the foreseeable future. If things get too bad in EU a private server will pop up too. I said REFORGED. I didnt say WC3. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27465 Posts
On March 10 2020 21:54 M3t4PhYzX wrote: yeah okay dude. Get wrecked. Bli$$ard apologist detected. Zero care about what you have to say, really. Sorry. I never said that they didnt do anything for the community, they did a lot. A LOT. And exactly this is why they should be at the forefront of blasting Bli$$ard every time they can, of not using Reforged graphics and saying why are they doing that. Of telling everyone that professionals dont use reforged graphics and why is that. They're not doing any of that. Because they dont want to lose their jobs, I get that.. But I can't look at that and not feel like it's a shilling operation, a bit. It hurts me twice as bad because because of their YT channel my love for the game was rekindled back in 2016 (after 3 year break). Basically every post you make on this topic lacks any amount of proportionality whatsoever. You say you gave the new graphics a chance when your posting history says very much otherwise. Then you’re calling B2W shills. Your standards are fucking ridiculous | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17864 Posts
Such a disaster, such tragedy. And I was really looking forward to WC3R breathing new life into the game and revitalizing the community while new tournaments and a world tour pop up and I have plenty of WC3 to watch again. It has been over a month and all I can see is bad press for it, without any signs of it improving (and I don't really mind the new graphics, I kind of like it, but everything else is a joke). I have no idea what would it take for me to regain any sort of trust in Blizzard, but sure as hell it won't be anytime soon. | ||
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StaleTosis
13 Posts
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On March 11 2020 12:35 StaleTosis wrote: I like the new graphics and always defended reforged.. but after that Thorzain robbery... I'm not defending anything other than the graphics and b2w ftr. The platform, servers, lack of ladder/progression, compatibility problems aka desyncs and the radio silence range between poor to atrocious. The pro scene and the game itself are still amazing though. | ||
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