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On February 25 2020 16:59 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2020 09:37 Amarok wrote:On February 25 2020 08:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required. I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged; ‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance. It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there. They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t. They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay. My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences. What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there. To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads...
Exactly!
Instead of just refunding they should have recalled that shit of their own volition! Seriously!
"OMG We are so sorry! Here is your money back and a cutsie 5$ voucher for our next WoW expansion. We will try again when we have a product that is actually working like intended. Please forgive us!"
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On February 25 2020 17:25 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2020 16:59 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2020 09:37 Amarok wrote:On February 25 2020 08:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required. I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged; ‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance. It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there. They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t. They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay. My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences. What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there. To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads... Exactly! Instead of just refunding they should have recalled that shit of their own volition! Seriously! "OMG We are so sorry! Here is your money back and a cutsie 5$ voucher for our next WoW expansion. We will try again when we have a product that is actually working like intended. Please forgive us!"
Lol man >.<
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On February 25 2020 19:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2020 17:25 Harris1st wrote:On February 25 2020 16:59 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2020 09:37 Amarok wrote:On February 25 2020 08:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required. I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged; ‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance. It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there. They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t. They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay. My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences. What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there. To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads... Exactly! Instead of just refunding they should have recalled that shit of their own volition! Seriously! "OMG We are so sorry! Here is your money back and a cutsie 5$ voucher for our next WoW expansion. We will try again when we have a product that is actually working like intended. Please forgive us!" Lol man >.<
Don't laugh at him. Wasn't it FF XIV that failed super hard at launch and Square Enix pulled it down, said "We're really sorry, we'll do better" and re-released it two years later when it became one of the most successful MMOs ever?
The team could not fully mend the game in its existing form as its engine and server structure were already critically flawed. This meant that, in order to save XIV, the entire game needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. The decision to launch a new version as a reboot instead of a whole new title was driven by the need to regain player trust, which was felt would not be done by just scrapping XIV.
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Northern Ireland27466 Posts
On February 25 2020 20:45 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2020 19:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 25 2020 17:25 Harris1st wrote:On February 25 2020 16:59 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2020 09:37 Amarok wrote:On February 25 2020 08:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required. I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged; ‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance. It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there. They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t. They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay. My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences. What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there. To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads... Exactly! Instead of just refunding they should have recalled that shit of their own volition! Seriously! "OMG We are so sorry! Here is your money back and a cutsie 5$ voucher for our next WoW expansion. We will try again when we have a product that is actually working like intended. Please forgive us!" Lol man >.< Don't laugh at him. Wasn't it FF XIV that failed super hard at launch and Square Enix pulled it down, said "We're really sorry, we'll do better" and re-released it two years later when it became one of the most successful MMOs ever? Show nested quote +The team could not fully mend the game in its existing form as its engine and server structure were already critically flawed. This meant that, in order to save XIV, the entire game needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. The decision to launch a new version as a reboot instead of a whole new title was driven by the need to regain player trust, which was felt would not be done by just scrapping XIV.
It certainly has precedent, granted Square Enix were redoing one of their mainline new games, in ActiBlizzard’s case it’s more a niche part of their portfolio.
Also SE were basically putting out a ‘new’ product that could get people excited a second time around and help regain some trust. To my knowledge it wasn’t the same game with a few fixes so was almost a new title to try out.
With Reforged it’s fixing a game that is outright buggy and that lacks features from the original game (never mind upgrades), whose functionality it also broke. So I don’t think recalling and relaunching would have the same effect as the aforementioned.
Ideally they’ll be able to grind it to be better than the original, add new features, add back the old ones and improve technical aspects like latency etc.
I’m just really skeptical that they’ll be given the resources to do this. Feel bad for the crew they have working on the game
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United Kingdom10018 Posts
On February 25 2020 23:26 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2020 20:45 Manit0u wrote:On February 25 2020 19:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 25 2020 17:25 Harris1st wrote:On February 25 2020 16:59 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2020 09:37 Amarok wrote:On February 25 2020 08:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required. I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged; ‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance. It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there. They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t. They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay. My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences. What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there. To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads... Exactly! Instead of just refunding they should have recalled that shit of their own volition! Seriously! "OMG We are so sorry! Here is your money back and a cutsie 5$ voucher for our next WoW expansion. We will try again when we have a product that is actually working like intended. Please forgive us!" Lol man >.< Don't laugh at him. Wasn't it FF XIV that failed super hard at launch and Square Enix pulled it down, said "We're really sorry, we'll do better" and re-released it two years later when it became one of the most successful MMOs ever? The team could not fully mend the game in its existing form as its engine and server structure were already critically flawed. This meant that, in order to save XIV, the entire game needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. The decision to launch a new version as a reboot instead of a whole new title was driven by the need to regain player trust, which was felt would not be done by just scrapping XIV. It certainly has precedent, granted Square Enix were redoing one of their mainline new games, in ActiBlizzard’s case it’s more a niche part of their portfolio. Also SE were basically putting out a ‘new’ product that could get people excited a second time around and help regain some trust. To my knowledge it wasn’t the same game with a few fixes so was almost a new title to try out. With Reforged it’s fixing a game that is outright buggy and that lacks features from the original game (never mind upgrades), whose functionality it also broke. So I don’t think recalling and relaunching would have the same effect as the aforementioned. Ideally they’ll be able to grind it to be better than the original, add new features, add back the old ones and improve technical aspects like latency etc. I’m just really skeptical that they’ll be given the resources to do this. Feel bad for the crew they have working on the game
Also don't you think it would be nice if huge publishers could tell the audience if a game is basically early access (ie released with the intention of fixing bugs/missing content later)?
I think that would be nice, but it seems everyone is used to getting half a game on release now.
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Northern Ireland27466 Posts
On February 26 2020 01:17 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2020 23:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 20:45 Manit0u wrote:On February 25 2020 19:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 25 2020 17:25 Harris1st wrote:On February 25 2020 16:59 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2020 09:37 Amarok wrote:On February 25 2020 08:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required. I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged; ‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance. It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there. They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t. They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay. My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences. What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there. To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads... Exactly! Instead of just refunding they should have recalled that shit of their own volition! Seriously! "OMG We are so sorry! Here is your money back and a cutsie 5$ voucher for our next WoW expansion. We will try again when we have a product that is actually working like intended. Please forgive us!" Lol man >.< Don't laugh at him. Wasn't it FF XIV that failed super hard at launch and Square Enix pulled it down, said "We're really sorry, we'll do better" and re-released it two years later when it became one of the most successful MMOs ever? The team could not fully mend the game in its existing form as its engine and server structure were already critically flawed. This meant that, in order to save XIV, the entire game needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. The decision to launch a new version as a reboot instead of a whole new title was driven by the need to regain player trust, which was felt would not be done by just scrapping XIV. It certainly has precedent, granted Square Enix were redoing one of their mainline new games, in ActiBlizzard’s case it’s more a niche part of their portfolio. Also SE were basically putting out a ‘new’ product that could get people excited a second time around and help regain some trust. To my knowledge it wasn’t the same game with a few fixes so was almost a new title to try out. With Reforged it’s fixing a game that is outright buggy and that lacks features from the original game (never mind upgrades), whose functionality it also broke. So I don’t think recalling and relaunching would have the same effect as the aforementioned. Ideally they’ll be able to grind it to be better than the original, add new features, add back the old ones and improve technical aspects like latency etc. I’m just really skeptical that they’ll be given the resources to do this. Feel bad for the crew they have working on the game Also don't you think it would be nice if huge publishers could tell the audience if a game is basically early access (ie released with the intention of fixing bugs/missing content later)? I think that would be nice, but it seems everyone is used to getting half a game on release now.
Would be an improvement over the current state of affairs, although a rather distant second to ‘not releasing early access games as retail releases’.
Hell when they pushed back the release date I was all in favour, although catastrophically wrong in thinking they’d have it out and polished.
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The most confusing part about this whole situation is the fixes the community are demanding are all things blizzard has done successfully before.
-Ladder
-Profile/stats
-Regional connections.
But they just refuse to even talk about when they will release these features. This should take no longer than a week to release. They've been doing it for 20years.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On February 26 2020 01:17 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2020 23:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 20:45 Manit0u wrote:On February 25 2020 19:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 25 2020 17:25 Harris1st wrote:On February 25 2020 16:59 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2020 09:37 Amarok wrote:On February 25 2020 08:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required. I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged; ‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance. It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there. They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t. They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay. My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences. What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there. To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads... Exactly! Instead of just refunding they should have recalled that shit of their own volition! Seriously! "OMG We are so sorry! Here is your money back and a cutsie 5$ voucher for our next WoW expansion. We will try again when we have a product that is actually working like intended. Please forgive us!" Lol man >.< Don't laugh at him. Wasn't it FF XIV that failed super hard at launch and Square Enix pulled it down, said "We're really sorry, we'll do better" and re-released it two years later when it became one of the most successful MMOs ever? The team could not fully mend the game in its existing form as its engine and server structure were already critically flawed. This meant that, in order to save XIV, the entire game needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. The decision to launch a new version as a reboot instead of a whole new title was driven by the need to regain player trust, which was felt would not be done by just scrapping XIV. It certainly has precedent, granted Square Enix were redoing one of their mainline new games, in ActiBlizzard’s case it’s more a niche part of their portfolio. Also SE were basically putting out a ‘new’ product that could get people excited a second time around and help regain some trust. To my knowledge it wasn’t the same game with a few fixes so was almost a new title to try out. With Reforged it’s fixing a game that is outright buggy and that lacks features from the original game (never mind upgrades), whose functionality it also broke. So I don’t think recalling and relaunching would have the same effect as the aforementioned. Ideally they’ll be able to grind it to be better than the original, add new features, add back the old ones and improve technical aspects like latency etc. I’m just really skeptical that they’ll be given the resources to do this. Feel bad for the crew they have working on the game Also don't you think it would be nice if huge publishers could tell the audience if a game is basically early access (ie released with the intention of fixing bugs/missing content later)? I think that would be nice, but it seems everyone is used to getting half a game on release now.
Why wouldn't they? There are many people who will defend such practice and the publishers would be dumd to do otherwise.
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On February 26 2020 01:17 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2020 23:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 20:45 Manit0u wrote:On February 25 2020 19:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 25 2020 17:25 Harris1st wrote:On February 25 2020 16:59 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2020 09:37 Amarok wrote:On February 25 2020 08:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required. I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged; ‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance. It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there. They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t. They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay. My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences. What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there. To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads... Exactly! Instead of just refunding they should have recalled that shit of their own volition! Seriously! "OMG We are so sorry! Here is your money back and a cutsie 5$ voucher for our next WoW expansion. We will try again when we have a product that is actually working like intended. Please forgive us!" Lol man >.< Don't laugh at him. Wasn't it FF XIV that failed super hard at launch and Square Enix pulled it down, said "We're really sorry, we'll do better" and re-released it two years later when it became one of the most successful MMOs ever? The team could not fully mend the game in its existing form as its engine and server structure were already critically flawed. This meant that, in order to save XIV, the entire game needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. The decision to launch a new version as a reboot instead of a whole new title was driven by the need to regain player trust, which was felt would not be done by just scrapping XIV. It certainly has precedent, granted Square Enix were redoing one of their mainline new games, in ActiBlizzard’s case it’s more a niche part of their portfolio. Also SE were basically putting out a ‘new’ product that could get people excited a second time around and help regain some trust. To my knowledge it wasn’t the same game with a few fixes so was almost a new title to try out. With Reforged it’s fixing a game that is outright buggy and that lacks features from the original game (never mind upgrades), whose functionality it also broke. So I don’t think recalling and relaunching would have the same effect as the aforementioned. Ideally they’ll be able to grind it to be better than the original, add new features, add back the old ones and improve technical aspects like latency etc. I’m just really skeptical that they’ll be given the resources to do this. Feel bad for the crew they have working on the game Also don't you think it would be nice if huge publishers could tell the audience if a game is basically early access (ie released with the intention of fixing bugs/missing content later)? I think that would be nice, but it seems everyone is used to getting half a game on release now.
If they want to release a half done game, fine by me. Obviously then I would only pay half the price as well 
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On February 26 2020 03:02 RandomPlayer416 wrote:
The most confusing part about this whole situation is the fixes the community are demanding are all things blizzard has done successfully before.
-Ladder
-Profile/stats
-Regional connections.
But they just refuse to even talk about when they will release these features. This should take no longer than a week to release. They've been doing it for 20years.
Well this project was outsourced, reforged wasn't developed by an inhouse team. So I don't think Blizzard's experience with all these things plays a role.
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Only the graphics were outsourced afaik.
Didn`t want to add any flavour, but they could at least have communicated, IF they are done with the ladder in it`s current state or if they ramp it up to sc1/2 standards.
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On February 26 2020 16:35 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2020 01:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 25 2020 23:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 20:45 Manit0u wrote:On February 25 2020 19:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 25 2020 17:25 Harris1st wrote:On February 25 2020 16:59 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2020 09:37 Amarok wrote:On February 25 2020 08:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required. I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged; ‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance. It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there. They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t. They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay. My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences. What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there. To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads... Exactly! Instead of just refunding they should have recalled that shit of their own volition! Seriously! "OMG We are so sorry! Here is your money back and a cutsie 5$ voucher for our next WoW expansion. We will try again when we have a product that is actually working like intended. Please forgive us!" Lol man >.< Don't laugh at him. Wasn't it FF XIV that failed super hard at launch and Square Enix pulled it down, said "We're really sorry, we'll do better" and re-released it two years later when it became one of the most successful MMOs ever? The team could not fully mend the game in its existing form as its engine and server structure were already critically flawed. This meant that, in order to save XIV, the entire game needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. The decision to launch a new version as a reboot instead of a whole new title was driven by the need to regain player trust, which was felt would not be done by just scrapping XIV. It certainly has precedent, granted Square Enix were redoing one of their mainline new games, in ActiBlizzard’s case it’s more a niche part of their portfolio. Also SE were basically putting out a ‘new’ product that could get people excited a second time around and help regain some trust. To my knowledge it wasn’t the same game with a few fixes so was almost a new title to try out. With Reforged it’s fixing a game that is outright buggy and that lacks features from the original game (never mind upgrades), whose functionality it also broke. So I don’t think recalling and relaunching would have the same effect as the aforementioned. Ideally they’ll be able to grind it to be better than the original, add new features, add back the old ones and improve technical aspects like latency etc. I’m just really skeptical that they’ll be given the resources to do this. Feel bad for the crew they have working on the game Also don't you think it would be nice if huge publishers could tell the audience if a game is basically early access (ie released with the intention of fixing bugs/missing content later)? I think that would be nice, but it seems everyone is used to getting half a game on release now. If they want to release a half done game, fine by me. Obviously then I would only pay half the price as well
Technically new game costs around 60 € so 30 € is a half of what the game costs 
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On February 27 2020 17:25 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2020 16:35 Harris1st wrote:On February 26 2020 01:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 25 2020 23:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 20:45 Manit0u wrote:On February 25 2020 19:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 25 2020 17:25 Harris1st wrote:On February 25 2020 16:59 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2020 09:37 Amarok wrote:On February 25 2020 08:00 Wombat_NI wrote:
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I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged;
‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok
Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance.
It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there.
They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t.
They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay. My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences. What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there. To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads... Exactly! Instead of just refunding they should have recalled that shit of their own volition! Seriously! "OMG We are so sorry! Here is your money back and a cutsie 5$ voucher for our next WoW expansion. We will try again when we have a product that is actually working like intended. Please forgive us!" Lol man >.< Don't laugh at him. Wasn't it FF XIV that failed super hard at launch and Square Enix pulled it down, said "We're really sorry, we'll do better" and re-released it two years later when it became one of the most successful MMOs ever? The team could not fully mend the game in its existing form as its engine and server structure were already critically flawed. This meant that, in order to save XIV, the entire game needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. The decision to launch a new version as a reboot instead of a whole new title was driven by the need to regain player trust, which was felt would not be done by just scrapping XIV. It certainly has precedent, granted Square Enix were redoing one of their mainline new games, in ActiBlizzard’s case it’s more a niche part of their portfolio. Also SE were basically putting out a ‘new’ product that could get people excited a second time around and help regain some trust. To my knowledge it wasn’t the same game with a few fixes so was almost a new title to try out. With Reforged it’s fixing a game that is outright buggy and that lacks features from the original game (never mind upgrades), whose functionality it also broke. So I don’t think recalling and relaunching would have the same effect as the aforementioned. Ideally they’ll be able to grind it to be better than the original, add new features, add back the old ones and improve technical aspects like latency etc. I’m just really skeptical that they’ll be given the resources to do this. Feel bad for the crew they have working on the game Also don't you think it would be nice if huge publishers could tell the audience if a game is basically early access (ie released with the intention of fixing bugs/missing content later)? I think that would be nice, but it seems everyone is used to getting half a game on release now. If they want to release a half done game, fine by me. Obviously then I would only pay half the price as well Technically new game costs around 60 € so 30 € is a half of what the game costs
Pffff for consoles maybe. Haven't bought a PC game that expensive for ... ever? I think
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Neo went to town on Blizzard during Tod's latest Town Hall podcast -
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On February 27 2020 18:16 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2020 17:25 deacon.frost wrote:On February 26 2020 16:35 Harris1st wrote:On February 26 2020 01:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 25 2020 23:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 20:45 Manit0u wrote:On February 25 2020 19:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 25 2020 17:25 Harris1st wrote:On February 25 2020 16:59 deacon.frost wrote:On February 25 2020 09:37 Amarok wrote:
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My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences.
What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there. To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads... Exactly! Instead of just refunding they should have recalled that shit of their own volition! Seriously! "OMG We are so sorry! Here is your money back and a cutsie 5$ voucher for our next WoW expansion. We will try again when we have a product that is actually working like intended. Please forgive us!" Lol man >.< Don't laugh at him. Wasn't it FF XIV that failed super hard at launch and Square Enix pulled it down, said "We're really sorry, we'll do better" and re-released it two years later when it became one of the most successful MMOs ever? The team could not fully mend the game in its existing form as its engine and server structure were already critically flawed. This meant that, in order to save XIV, the entire game needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. The decision to launch a new version as a reboot instead of a whole new title was driven by the need to regain player trust, which was felt would not be done by just scrapping XIV. It certainly has precedent, granted Square Enix were redoing one of their mainline new games, in ActiBlizzard’s case it’s more a niche part of their portfolio. Also SE were basically putting out a ‘new’ product that could get people excited a second time around and help regain some trust. To my knowledge it wasn’t the same game with a few fixes so was almost a new title to try out. With Reforged it’s fixing a game that is outright buggy and that lacks features from the original game (never mind upgrades), whose functionality it also broke. So I don’t think recalling and relaunching would have the same effect as the aforementioned. Ideally they’ll be able to grind it to be better than the original, add new features, add back the old ones and improve technical aspects like latency etc. I’m just really skeptical that they’ll be given the resources to do this. Feel bad for the crew they have working on the game Also don't you think it would be nice if huge publishers could tell the audience if a game is basically early access (ie released with the intention of fixing bugs/missing content later)? I think that would be nice, but it seems everyone is used to getting half a game on release now. If they want to release a half done game, fine by me. Obviously then I would only pay half the price as well Technically new game costs around 60 € so 30 € is a half of what the game costs Pffff for consoles maybe. Haven't bought a PC game that expensive for ... ever? I think
It varies from game to game, store to store, and region to region, but games like call of duty, elder scrolls VR, sekiro etc goes for 60€ on PC
Age of Empires definitive edition sold for 20€, so that's what Blizzard is really competing with here. They have no justification for selling reforged for 10€ more other than greed. Hell, like was mentioned above: It's half a game. It should be 10€.
If this game was 10€ and they didn't fuck with the old W3, absolutely no one would complain. Hell I'd probably be playing through the campaign right now.
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Anyone else getting way less joinbugs since the last patch? Hopefully it's solved...
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FYI guys, Desync is the hero WC3 needed. B2W is now streaming classic because of course every single competitive player uses classic. Its so nice. Desync apparently only happens when people are using different versions.
Being able to follow everything perfectly feels so nice :D
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On February 28 2020 03:10 TheDwf wrote:
Anyone else getting way less joinbugs since the last patch? Hopefully it's solved...
I havent gotten a join bug since the first week of release..however I am constantly being disconnected after games. Usually after 2 or 3 games I have to restart the client.
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On February 28 2020 02:13 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2020 18:16 Harris1st wrote:On February 27 2020 17:25 deacon.frost wrote:On February 26 2020 16:35 Harris1st wrote:On February 26 2020 01:17 Jockmcplop wrote:On February 25 2020 23:26 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 20:45 Manit0u wrote:On February 25 2020 19:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 25 2020 17:25 Harris1st wrote:On February 25 2020 16:59 deacon.frost wrote:
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To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads... Exactly! Instead of just refunding they should have recalled that shit of their own volition! Seriously! "OMG We are so sorry! Here is your money back and a cutsie 5$ voucher for our next WoW expansion. We will try again when we have a product that is actually working like intended. Please forgive us!" Lol man >.< Don't laugh at him. Wasn't it FF XIV that failed super hard at launch and Square Enix pulled it down, said "We're really sorry, we'll do better" and re-released it two years later when it became one of the most successful MMOs ever? The team could not fully mend the game in its existing form as its engine and server structure were already critically flawed. This meant that, in order to save XIV, the entire game needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. The decision to launch a new version as a reboot instead of a whole new title was driven by the need to regain player trust, which was felt would not be done by just scrapping XIV. It certainly has precedent, granted Square Enix were redoing one of their mainline new games, in ActiBlizzard’s case it’s more a niche part of their portfolio. Also SE were basically putting out a ‘new’ product that could get people excited a second time around and help regain some trust. To my knowledge it wasn’t the same game with a few fixes so was almost a new title to try out. With Reforged it’s fixing a game that is outright buggy and that lacks features from the original game (never mind upgrades), whose functionality it also broke. So I don’t think recalling and relaunching would have the same effect as the aforementioned. Ideally they’ll be able to grind it to be better than the original, add new features, add back the old ones and improve technical aspects like latency etc. I’m just really skeptical that they’ll be given the resources to do this. Feel bad for the crew they have working on the game Also don't you think it would be nice if huge publishers could tell the audience if a game is basically early access (ie released with the intention of fixing bugs/missing content later)? I think that would be nice, but it seems everyone is used to getting half a game on release now. If they want to release a half done game, fine by me. Obviously then I would only pay half the price as well Technically new game costs around 60 € so 30 € is a half of what the game costs Pffff for consoles maybe. Haven't bought a PC game that expensive for ... ever? I think It varies from game to game, store to store, and region to region, but games like call of duty, elder scrolls VR, sekiro etc goes for 60€ on PC Age of Empires definitive edition sold for 20€, so that's what Blizzard is really competing with here. They have no justification for selling reforged for 10€ more other than greed. Hell, like was mentioned above: It's half a game. It should be 10€. If this game was 10€ and they didn't fuck with the old W3, absolutely no one would complain. Hell I'd probably be playing through the campaign right now.
That's what I meant. I would have paid 10-15€ for this, without much complaining and would have dabbled a bit in the campaign for nostalgia reasons
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