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Northern Ireland27467 Posts
On February 24 2020 18:00 Shuffleblade wrote:
I can't believe this shit, I was never into competetive wc3 but why not give it a chance right? First thing it does is manage to so utterly fail its first even, I would be surprised if anyone Went home feeling content after that shit.
Its a hyper competetive 1v1 strategy game, if you cant be bothered to make the servers actually work we need LAN. Otherwise tournaments cant/shouldn't be run, tbh if they really made this game reforged they would have added restart from replay.
Seeing Thorzain get ahead in game 3 and 4 just to get DCed and then totally screwed in game 5 by RNG (and Moon playing better through Learning Thorzains play from previous games)….
Thorzain should have won that, it feels even worse Moon Went on to win the whole event without dropping a map……. The player that should have been out went on to win it, not for sure Thorzain could have beaten those players but looking at how well he played against Moon he should have had a decent shot. Argghh the rage
RNG is part of what interested me about learning to play WC3 properly. It’s different certainly and I can understand others not liking that element, but it adds an element of needing to strategically adapt to the item drops both you and your opponent get.
My main takeaway from this event is godamnit. The viewing figures I saw were pretty solid, and actually miraculous when you factor in how bad the launch has been.
Clearly the appetite is sufficient to have had Reforged boost the good job the grass roots scene had been doing and that chance will be completely pissed up the wall if things aren’t fixed shortly.
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On February 24 2020 21:24 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2020 18:00 Shuffleblade wrote:
I can't believe this shit, I was never into competetive wc3 but why not give it a chance right? First thing it does is manage to so utterly fail its first even, I would be surprised if anyone Went home feeling content after that shit.
Its a hyper competetive 1v1 strategy game, if you cant be bothered to make the servers actually work we need LAN. Otherwise tournaments cant/shouldn't be run, tbh if they really made this game reforged they would have added restart from replay.
Seeing Thorzain get ahead in game 3 and 4 just to get DCed and then totally screwed in game 5 by RNG (and Moon playing better through Learning Thorzains play from previous games)….
Thorzain should have won that, it feels even worse Moon Went on to win the whole event without dropping a map……. The player that should have been out went on to win it, not for sure Thorzain could have beaten those players but looking at how well he played against Moon he should have had a decent shot. Argghh the rage RNG is part of what interested me about learning to play WC3 properly. It’s different certainly and I can understand others not liking that element, but it adds an element of needing to strategically adapt to the item drops both you and your opponent get. My main takeaway from this event is godamnit. The viewing figures I saw were pretty solid, and actually miraculous when you factor in how bad the launch has been. Clearly the appetite is sufficient to have had Reforged boost the good job the grass roots scene had been doing and that chance will be completely pissed up the wall if things aren’t fixed shortly.
I don't think its good that Thorzain won 3-1 but 2 games were he wasn't unlucky he got DCed(Also a kind of RNG). Fifth game he gets bad drop RNG and loses, is that what drew you to WC3 and what you think is fun or what are you arguing here? RNG, will you get good items, but even if you do will you drop or not? Sounds like fun RNG indeed.
I never wrote anything bad about the normal RNG in WC3 but I don't Think its fun or fair what happened to Thorzain, you disagree?
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I’d honestly like to get a Thorzain interview after this to see how he feels about WC3:Refunded overall and about his being fucked over in this tournament.
If something like this happened to me Id probably never touch the game ever again
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On February 24 2020 22:39 Zambrah wrote:
I’d honestly like to get a Thorzain interview after this to see how he feels about WC3:Refunded overall and about his being fucked over in this tournament.
If something like this happened to me Id probably never touch the game ever again
Have you read his tweet Before the event about how hype he was going to his first ever LAN as a competeitor since 2014? Yeah, if it was me I'd be pretty bloody tilted as well.
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it shows how beautiful of a game it is at the same time.. with no game the same
and if chess is any lesson we have a long ways to go.
i loved the games and hope for better tech but the game is grand still
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On February 24 2020 23:06 nenuphar wrote:
it shows how beautiful of a game it is at the same time.. with no game the same
and if chess is any lesson we have a long ways to go.
i loved the games and hope for better tech but the game is grand still
Give this man the Blizzard employee signature.
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lol thanks but I just genuinely like this game too bad it is crapped on by some bad bad moves - but I still love this game
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Northern Ireland27467 Posts
On February 24 2020 21:39 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2020 21:24 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 24 2020 18:00 Shuffleblade wrote:
I can't believe this shit, I was never into competetive wc3 but why not give it a chance right? First thing it does is manage to so utterly fail its first even, I would be surprised if anyone Went home feeling content after that shit.
Its a hyper competetive 1v1 strategy game, if you cant be bothered to make the servers actually work we need LAN. Otherwise tournaments cant/shouldn't be run, tbh if they really made this game reforged they would have added restart from replay.
Seeing Thorzain get ahead in game 3 and 4 just to get DCed and then totally screwed in game 5 by RNG (and Moon playing better through Learning Thorzains play from previous games)….
Thorzain should have won that, it feels even worse Moon Went on to win the whole event without dropping a map……. The player that should have been out went on to win it, not for sure Thorzain could have beaten those players but looking at how well he played against Moon he should have had a decent shot. Argghh the rage RNG is part of what interested me about learning to play WC3 properly. It’s different certainly and I can understand others not liking that element, but it adds an element of needing to strategically adapt to the item drops both you and your opponent get. My main takeaway from this event is godamnit. The viewing figures I saw were pretty solid, and actually miraculous when you factor in how bad the launch has been. Clearly the appetite is sufficient to have had Reforged boost the good job the grass roots scene had been doing and that chance will be completely pissed up the wall if things aren’t fixed shortly. I don't think its good that Thorzain won 3-1 but 2 games were he wasn't unlucky he got DCed(Also a kind of RNG). Fifth game he gets bad drop RNG and loses, is that what drew you to WC3 and what you think is fun or what are you arguing here? RNG, will you get good items, but even if you do will you drop or not? Sounds like fun RNG indeed. I never wrote anything bad about the normal RNG in WC3 but I don't Think its fun or fair what happened to Thorzain, you disagree?
If you say someone got screwed by RNG it would appear you’re not a fan of that particular RNG, especially as I’ve heard that be the main criticism from SC converts that I know. Apologies if that impression was incorrect.
Of course what happened to Thorzain was total bullshit, no arguments there whatsoever.
I like some of the RNG elements in WC3 because they force adaptation on the fly and make it more strategically fluid. Games can diverge hugely based on items and players deviating from their initial game plans etc.
Especially given its way less mechanical in the macro sense, I think it does introduce another factor to take into account.
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Female Demon hunter metamorph skin ??
Blizzard: "I'm Blind not deaf"
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The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required.
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On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required.
First of all, I want to say that have silently agreed with most you have said until know, people really went too far with criticizing Reforged.
However, ThorZaiN barely plays Wc3 and he might very well be the best european Human already; In case you did not know, ThorZaiN is also a former Sc2 champion, not a random Z tier non asian player.
In g3, that engagement could have gone either way but ThorZaiN's position was better; in g4, ThorZaiN's lead was even more significant. Moon deservingly won g5 but, frankly, ThorZaiN should have advanced.
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Northern Ireland27467 Posts
On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required.
I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged;
‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok
Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance.
It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there.
They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t.
They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay.
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Awesome, even if it's still 1.32 the new patch broke all replays from the previous version...
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On February 25 2020 08:14 TheDwf wrote:
Awesome, even if it's still 1.32 the new patch broke all replays from the previous version...
Thats..
that's just amazing.
just amazing.
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On February 25 2020 07:47 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required. First of all, I want to say that have silently agreed with most you have said until know, people really went too far with criticizing Reforged. However, ThorZaiN barely plays Wc3 and he might very well be the best european Human already; In case you did not know, ThorZaiN is also a former Sc2 champion, not a random Z tier non asian player. In g3, that engagement could have gone either way but ThorZaiN's position was better; in g4, ThorZaiN's lead was even more significant. Moon deservingly won g5 but, frankly, ThorZaiN should have advanced.
I certainly wouldn't put Thorzain in a random Z tier. He's a very very good player (with a fun style) who deserved his invite and has every right to feel cheated by what happened. In terms of EU humans imo Hawk is still better, but he's right behind him. My tier 2 comment was based around the fact that he's a rung below the top Euros (Tier S - Happy, Tier 1 - Foggy, Hawk) and that the guy he was playing against was Moon, one of (if not definitively) the greatest player of all time.
The thing with the S tier players is that they are incredibly hard to beat, even from situations where they're comfortably behind. You see this in the cups all the time with Happy. How many times has Foggy or Hawk gotten ahead in the first 10 and ended up losing after giving Happy the most slight of openings? Moon is famous for it as well. His distraction/stalling play when behind is stuff of legend.
It sucks that we're even having this conversation, but the idea that Thorzain was definitively going through is doubtful at best and I would have had my money on Moon, particularly in G3. In both cases a regame was the correct option imo.
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On February 25 2020 08:00 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required. I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged; ‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance. It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there. They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t. They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay.
My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences.
What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there.
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I also think the sounds thing is a big deal. I hate the new sounds. Wish there was a way to turn them off in reforged.
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Reminder: A re-game is always correct unless the game is 110% over. We have seen some truly amazing comebacks, though it is extremely rare as an underdog.
That being said, 2 regames is insane. It is just a tragedy no matter what happens. Moon shouldn't be robbed of the opportunity to make a comeback. Thorzain shouldn't be robbed of a win. But when the game ends because reforged is dog shit, the only one to blame is Blizzard.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On February 25 2020 09:37 Amarok wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2020 08:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 25 2020 07:21 Amarok wrote:
The idea that anyone who loves this beautiful game in spite of reforged's problems is a shill or Blizzard employee is so retarded. Fuck off with that noise.
And (as awful as the desyncs were) Thorazain wasn't in anywhere near as great a position as people are making out. That Warden was about to melt those Dragonhawks and the towers weren't anywhere near close enough to being up to provide sufficient cover. It was 50/50 at absolute best and Moon didn't become the greatest player of all time, by losing to Tier 2 Europeans in 50/50 situations in big tournaments.
All that said, Blizzard need to get their shit together on this. Future events absolutely cannot have this issue. Today's patch is nice, but there's a whole lot more required. I don’t particularly like the toxicity around it, certainly. Let people make their person choices. People aren’t shills for wanting to enjoy a game they love, equally people aren’t killing the scene for not wanting to buy Reforged; ‘Reforged as a product is definitely on the path to being a modern, quality product that will draw in new players and breathe life into this great game that will make it last another decade. Currently it's the "community" that's killing it, not blizzard‘ - Amarok Perhaps, I’ll defer to more knowledgeable folks, some say that Thorzain’s spot was better than yourself, I can’t knowledgably comment. Thorzain having a 50/50 shot is still a lot better than he probably would have anticipated going in vs one of the GOATs and we didn’t get to see him have the chance. It’s a complete and utter farce. I recall a few incidents in SC2 over well, the entirety of its near 10 years. Even then most of the ones I recall were problems with venue internet and not the game bugging out. And it has resume from replay now. Don’t follow other eSports much so not sure if it’s occurred there. They’ve actively removed features and gutted the original version of the game, which now has the same issues as Reforged so isn’t an option to use if technical difficulties arise. No LAN either, because of course there isn’t. They haven’t added new features to compensate here either, such as resume from replay. My comments about the community have nothing to do with people not wanting to purchase it (or even refund it). I have a problem with bullshit like rating it one of the all time worst games in history. I'm also loving the graphics and find the game pretty stable to play, though I appreciate others may have different experiences. What happened yesterday certainly can be described as a farce though. No argument there.
To be fair it was one of the worst game launches ever and it devaluated the old game. Since it's a remake, a fair rating is rating the remake, isn't it? The original game was already rated. So there's no need to rate the story again. And the remake is around that 1/10. I'm fine with the rating of Reforged, it's a complete disaster. Imagine a car company releasing a car missing announced features, randomly turning off breaks and/or engine.generally being in the state of reforged. It wouldn't be allowed on the roads...
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