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Northern Ireland26327 Posts
On February 15 2020 09:17 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2020 09:12 cha0 wrote:
Today Grubby attempted to stream some 2v2s with Cassandra but they encountered so many problems (game crashing for one of them, disconnects, join game bug etc) that they gave up and switched to play Heroes of the Storm instead after managing to only play a couple of games over a period of multiple hours. Blizzard has made a true travesty of this game with Reforged. Grubby and Cass playing Heroes of the Storm happens basically every day. It was a planned feature, not an abandon wc3 to hots.
From the above post it sounded like they’d planned a departure from that to do WC3 2v2 and then abandoned the departure as bugs don’t really make for a fun stream.
Feel bad for folks like Grubby and B2W, much as I feel aggrieved, guys like this hitched their careers to a community and a game they love and have been sorely let down.
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On February 15 2020 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2020 09:17 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On February 15 2020 09:12 cha0 wrote:
Today Grubby attempted to stream some 2v2s with Cassandra but they encountered so many problems (game crashing for one of them, disconnects, join game bug etc) that they gave up and switched to play Heroes of the Storm instead after managing to only play a couple of games over a period of multiple hours. Blizzard has made a true travesty of this game with Reforged. Grubby and Cass playing Heroes of the Storm happens basically every day. It was a planned feature, not an abandon wc3 to hots. From the above post it sounded like they’d planned a departure from that to do WC3 2v2 and then abandoned the departure as bugs don’t really make for a fun stream.
Grubby has been advertising WC3 AT and then Ranked HotS with Cass for Valentines day on stream for at least the past week. Grubby streams Warcraft first and then HotS almost every time he streams. I suppose my post wasn't any clearer than the one I correcting.
On February 15 2020 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote:
Feel bad for folks like Grubby and B2W, much as I feel aggrieved, guys like this hitched their careers to a community and a game they love and have been sorely let down.
Khaldor got into this on the Tod's Town Hall yesterday. At some point, people are going to have to accept that Blizzard has done nothing but let them down with every decision in the past few years.
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Northern Ireland26327 Posts
On February 15 2020 09:37 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2020 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote:On February 15 2020 09:17 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On February 15 2020 09:12 cha0 wrote:
Today Grubby attempted to stream some 2v2s with Cassandra but they encountered so many problems (game crashing for one of them, disconnects, join game bug etc) that they gave up and switched to play Heroes of the Storm instead after managing to only play a couple of games over a period of multiple hours. Blizzard has made a true travesty of this game with Reforged. Grubby and Cass playing Heroes of the Storm happens basically every day. It was a planned feature, not an abandon wc3 to hots. From the above post it sounded like they’d planned a departure from that to do WC3 2v2 and then abandoned the departure as bugs don’t really make for a fun stream. Grubby has been advertising WC3 AT and then Ranked HotS with Cass for Valentines day on stream for at least the past week. Grubby streams Warcraft first and then HotS almost every time he streams. I suppose my post wasn't any clearer than the one I correcting. Show nested quote +On February 15 2020 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote:
Feel bad for folks like Grubby and B2W, much as I feel aggrieved, guys like this hitched their careers to a community and a game they love and have been sorely let down. Khaldor got into this on the Tod's Town Hall yesterday. At some point, people are going to have to accept that Blizzard has done nothing but let them down with every decision in the past few years.
Ah makes sense. I used to religiously watch Grubby but he was basically only doing WC3 then. Hadn’t realised he’d been doing more HoTS
Yeah I pretty much agree with Khaldor there 100%, doesn’t make it any less disappointing. Like a once great romance that has run its course, you know it has but it still doesn’t stop sucking.
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On February 15 2020 09:12 cha0 wrote:
Today Grubby attempted to stream some 2v2s with Cassandra but they encountered so many problems (game crashing for one of them, disconnects, join game bug etc)
Yeah the amount of joinbugs is ridiculous... around 20% of the games never begin. They need to do something about it fast, like mark them as draws + stop the search after 10 seconds with an error message like before. At least this won't ruin stats and allow people to resume search fast before they fix the problem itself.
I had only one desync shortly after the release of the Reforged, but some people still experience them. I saw Grubby and Happy get desync'ed in 4v4 RT on their streams. One of the 4v4 maps, Banewood Bog (?), seems especially buggy regarding desyncs.
Also they should really separate AT and RT, it's stupid to merge them when you get almost instant games (on top of being unfair for the RT side).
The other day I had to play a 2v2 with 500+ ping on average. I saw the ping go as high as 800 ms lol...
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Seeing all the fallout every day on here, social media, and Twitch feels so bad. I had thought for sooo long that there was no possible way, absolutely zero chance they could mess up a War3 remaster with all the resources they have yet here we are. It's such a mess that I barely believe it, and Blizzard's response (and apparent lack of awareness/care) is even more ridiculous.
Is it too late to cancel War3:R, revert everything they did to War3, and start from scratch with a better/bigger/in-house team with good leadership and decent intentions and a clear direction? What a bummer, dude...
And to think that Blizz (Acti-Blizz) would be cutting corners and rushing projects like this to try to appease disappointed shareholders but in turn end up upsetting everyone including those shareholders. Smh.
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On February 16 2020 03:13 JohnDelaney wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2020 22:14 blunderfulguy wrote:
And to think that Blizz (Acti-Blizz) would be cutting corners and rushing projects like this to try to appease disappointed shareholders but in turn end up upsetting everyone including those shareholders. Smh. They're doing okay actually.
For now.
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Northern Ireland26327 Posts
Wow stocks, the thing that people invest in without knowledge of the industry and the conismer base, as long as they’re doing well!
Stocks don’t mean shit, they’re the short term, perception based idea of how a company is doing.
I don’t think there’s a coincidence that ActiBlizz pissed out Reforged before earnings reporting for this financial year. That all these refunds fall into the next calendar year well, let’s deal with that when it comes.
Maybe the segment of the community they’ve alienated isn’t lucrative, but they’ve definitely alienated a whole bunch of people.
Tbh I hope it rebounds on them, horrifically but there’s every chance it doesn’t. Oh well. I’ve been playing Blizzard products since 1996 and no longer shall they have my business.
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On February 15 2020 08:11 Latham wrote:
I watched the above tournament and this was also the first time I actually witnessed WC3: Reforged in-game, outside of promotional YT material like individual unit graphics showcase and... oh boy.
I am SO glad I did not bite and preorder. This shit legit looks amatourish and I'd even go as far as to say the original WC3 had better graphics (when zoomed out and watching the whole picture, not viewing the individual units in a vacuum).
100% agreed. Classic was looking way better when zoomed out. And that is how you're supposed to play the game anyways.
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On February 16 2020 11:05 WaesumNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2020 03:13 JohnDelaney wrote:On February 15 2020 22:14 blunderfulguy wrote:
And to think that Blizz (Acti-Blizz) would be cutting corners and rushing projects like this to try to appease disappointed shareholders but in turn end up upsetting everyone including those shareholders. Smh. They're doing okay actually. For now.
On February 16 2020 11:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
Wow stocks, the thing that people invest in without knowledge of the industry and the conismer base, as long as they’re doing well!
Stocks don’t mean shit, they’re the short term, perception based idea of how a company is doing.
I don’t think there’s a coincidence that ActiBlizz pissed out Reforged before earnings reporting for this financial year. That all these refunds fall into the next calendar year well, let’s deal with that when it comes.
Maybe the segment of the community they’ve alienated isn’t lucrative, but they’ve definitely alienated a whole bunch of people.
Tbh I hope it rebounds on them, horrifically but there’s every chance it doesn’t. Oh well. I’ve been playing Blizzard products since 1996 and no longer shall they have my business.
It isn't just about earnings, it's about growth. Acti-Blizz isn't a company that cares about revenue, they care about percentage growth increase, which is why they're working on more games than they ever have and trying to make games for the mobile Chinese market (the place where the most growth is, though not necessarily the most revenue). If investors don't see more growth in Acti-Blizz than other places, they take their investments somewhere else. Investors and people trying to appease/entice them (Brack) don't care about Acti-Blizz because they make games, they care about the company as a money-generating, investment-growing machine.
But why they needed to push War3:R out so quickly is completely beyond my imagination. The only reasoning I can think of is that somebody thought it would show that Blizz got a tiny bump in revenue to start the year off, or that things are shifting around internally so much because Brack and Co. are chasing China that the development team and/or project leadership for Reforged got moved to another project or just tossed in the trash. Or maybe the rumors that they outsourced the majority of War3:R assets are true and there was never any serious team to begin with, but who knows.
You'd think that if they cared about money/revenue that they would understand they need to make great games in order to do that, but apparently not. I'd be surprised they're learning any lessons from Reforged besides "old IPs and old audiences are a waste of time, we need to make new games for new audiences."
But anyway, nothing that I'm sure hasn't been said a million times in the last month.
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Also, I was curious about how the War3 speedrunners were affected by War3:R, and remembered that a bunch of bugs from the TFT launch in 2003 were reintroduced in Reforged, so inventories, abilities, items, and certain level-up triggers don't function properly in a bunch of levels.
Notably (for me), the speedrun of the Boat Level (Human Campaign Chapter 8: Dissension, aka Burn the Boats) is busted since you can't run through with Muradin wearing Boots of Speed (apparently they have a chance to not spawn at the start of some levels) Storm Bolting all the boats (non-organic units are untargetable by Storm Bolt in TFT). Instead, you have to blunder through the level with ranged units and mercs, which I don't think I've done since the first time I played the level as a kid. It was one of those levels that a lot of people did speedrun strats for long before speedrunning was really a thing.
And yet again I'm wondering why I'm wasting my time and sanity paying attention to any of this mess... Sigh.
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It's important to remember, that for all that reforged could and should have been better, Warcraft 3 is still amazing.
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Everything I'm reading here is really depressing.
It is still possible to pirate TFT an play it on a potato?
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On February 18 2020 08:47 Starecat wrote:
Everything I'm reading here is really depressing.
It is still possible to pirate TFT an play it on a potato?
Not going to recommend pirating, but your old ROC and TFT CDs will still install the game and the old patches are available on the web in loads of places. You won't be able to play on Bnet without updating the client though.
In terms of performance, a friend of mine has a potato machine and ran reforged at low settings with playable amounts of FPS. It didn't run perfectly but it was playable. Classic graphics should run as well as they ever did on a potato.
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The goal right now is to crack version 1.29's protocol encryption for w3l so that private servers like eurobattle.net (currently a 1.26a/1.28.5 server) can support the 1.29.2 client.
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1.29 was the start of this wreck train so why not use the widescreen hack on w3arena with 1.28.5?
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1.29 had the best balance to new strat/hero and units availability combo imo
so yeah, using 1.29 makes the most sense
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If you want to break custom games, sure it does make mos sense.
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On February 18 2020 08:17 Amarok wrote:
It's important to remember, that for all that reforged could and should have been better, Warcraft 3 is still amazing.
It's not tho, not any more. That's one of the things people are pissed about. Not only is the remake bad, they also massively fucked over the original. Suddenly requiring much more computer power to run, and removing 90% of all online functions in favour of a Blizzard launcher system that doesn't work properly.
Reforged should have been better, and Warcraft 3 as we knew it is gone.
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On February 18 2020 22:18 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2020 08:17 Amarok wrote:
It's important to remember, that for all that reforged could and should have been better, Warcraft 3 is still amazing. It's not tho, not any more. That's one of the things people are pissed about. Not only is the remake bad, they also massively fucked over the original. Suddenly requiring much more computer power to run, and removing 90% of all online functions in favour of a Blizzard launcher system that doesn't work properly. Reforged should have been better, and Warcraft 3 as we knew it is gone.
Blizz fucked WC3R, they fucked SCR too - even small details like the reverse ramps that weren't available in the original, how much work would it take them to actually implement correct graphics for them instead of this jumbled mess that looks absolutely horrid in HD?
They have just proven that they're no longer interested in creating quality products and all that matters to them is grabbing quick cash while the fanbase lasts.
I could forgive them one or two fuckups if they would follow up with something that was actually good. It was fuckup after fuckup for them basically non-stop for the past decade or so. I am no longer a fan and I no longer associate Blizzard with any quality. WC3R was the last time I gave them money to get my hopes crushed, never again.
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On February 18 2020 17:27 Wrath wrote:
1.29 was the start of this wreck train so why not use the widescreen hack on w3arena with 1.28.5?
1.29 introduced native widescreen support and 24-player support.
On February 18 2020 19:59 Wrath wrote:
If you want to break custom games, sure it does make mos sense.
I know that 1.29.0 introduced bugs, have you tested your maps on 1.29.2 and 1.30.1? 1.30.1 is probably the last version any private server could realistically support as 1.30.2 did significant changes to how custom maps are downloaded relying on centralized servers (the "cloud") instead of P2P sharing.
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