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killer1nz
New Zealand164 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17693 Posts
On January 31 2019 09:22 Crunchums wrote: i started watching wc3 recently and i just watched g1 of Moon vs. TH000 and as someone coming from starcraft i am so confused + Show Spoiler + why are they floating so much gold?? i saw that their lumber was low, but can't they just make more workers and get more lumber? i know there's the upkeep system, but surely that can't be a reason to float 1k+ gold? No need to spoiler that I guess, you didn't really say anything specific about the games  Anyway, it's important to understand how economy in WC3 works. Like people mentioned there's the upkeep system, which gives you diminishing returns on your gold (workers take 10g from the mine but only bring 7g/4g back to your base). That's why players want to spend as much time as possible at <51 supply (no upkeep). Usually this means spending surplus gold on tech and items, but there are situations where you either have to float (got all the items you need or there are none in stock and you don't have any tech to do) or want to float (you are about to break into higher upkeep so want a large production round instantly since there is no point in breaking upkeep just to get 1 extra unit). Those games might've seem weird to you because they deviate from standard macro flow quite a bit. When you have MGs fighting RifleCaster with Inner Fire going on and Alchemist with Healing Spray on both sides it's actually quite rare to see something die. If you don't need to replace units and you're stuck in those prolonged fights there really isn't much to spend your gold on. Edit: Also note that 1k gold in WC3 isn't as much as 1k minerals in SC. Units in WC3 are quite a bit more expensive than in SC. 1k gold will usually get you 4-5 units (think of it as every race being Protoss level expensive from BW when it comes to units). | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17693 Posts
Funny thing is that all the years I've been using practically the same control groups as Grubby without even realizing it. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4141 Posts
Are we going to skip the fact that the humans reached the finals playing NE? | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17693 Posts
On January 31 2019 23:50 M2 wrote: Are we going to skip the fact that the humans reached the finals playing NE? For 1.30.1 I'll settle for the fact that NE didn't bring another trophy home (and it's the first major win for HU since 2016). Need to see how the tournament scene will shape up after 1.30.3 I'm an UD player and HU fanboy. Got kind of tired of most tournaments being taken by OR and NE for the past 2 years. Edit: And it was a bit scary to see Moon go on a 17 win streak in series that were at least BO3 and only dropping 3 maps this entire time... | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4141 Posts
On February 01 2019 00:00 Manit0u wrote: For 1.30.1 I'll settle for the fact that NE didn't bring another trophy home (and it's the first major win for HU since 2016). Need to see how the tournament scene will shape up after 1.30.3 I'm an UD player and HU fanboy. Got kind of tired of most tournaments being taken by OR and NE for the past 2 years. Edit: And it was a bit scary to see Moon go on a 17 win streak in series that were at least BO3 and only dropping 3 maps this entire time... I am ok with what you say, but I cannot agree with the statement that human won that tourney, human won the final, but not the tourney, because I doubt that humans would have won their vs undead matches playing human. p,s. Also I never understood why they allow player to switch races during a tournament. Someone here answered me that why not if a person can play more races, but the issue is not with the person who can play more races, but with his opponents who have no idea what he is going to play until the last moment and what happens when both of them wanna switch and does not want a specific match ups. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17693 Posts
It really speaks to the detriment of the patch though if most matchups for some races are heavily not in their favor. I really hope they'll get everything in order before reforged though. I was considering switching my main race (to NE probably) but wouldn't want to do it if there are serious imbalances. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Humans won a decent amount of tournaments, tbh. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17693 Posts
On February 01 2019 02:18 GGzerG wrote: Is the WC3 Ladder active still / didn't they just patch / update it, or is that waiting for remastered? They did patch it (up to 1.30.4 now I think) but this tournament was played on private Chinese servers or something (don't know the specifics) which are 3 patches behind (which severely nerfed KotG and Alch). Maybe they had a rule for the tournament that the entire tournament will be played on the same patch, to avoid people having to figure out new meta halfway through. I don't know, but they played on version 1.30.1 for sure. | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
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afreecaTV.Char
United States339 Posts
On February 01 2019 02:18 GGzerG wrote: Is the WC3 Ladder active still / didn't they just patch / update it, or is that waiting for remastered? WC3 Ladder is still plenty active. I'm finding matches within a minute typically on US Servers. | ||
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byte-Curious
Mexico107 Posts
On February 01 2019 00:36 Manit0u wrote: I really hope they'll get everything in order before reforged though. I was considering switching my main race (to NE probably) but wouldn't want to do it if there are serious imbalances. Don't do it, man. I'm a level 45 random player and NE is the most frustrating race to play for me. Despite having a reasonable win-rate, even matches I win aren't all that fun. Finite moonjuice probably the most frustrating mechanic in the game. I want to instaquit every time my opponent has a disease cloud abom... Also, I absolutely adore all the content that back2warcraft are putting out. I just wish someone would tell the main caster that the second b in bomb is silent. Due to the German Auslautverhärtung, he pronounces it as "bomp", and it's very grating. | ||
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B2W.Neo
287 Posts
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TropicalHaze
Finland60 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17693 Posts
On February 03 2019 03:57 TropicalHaze wrote: Do you guys know if there is anything significant one could miss if they bought Reforged after the launch in comparison to pre-ordering or is it just bunch of cosmetic stuff? I'm not sure if you'll be able to play TFT campaign right off the bat in Reforged. Right now it seems that if you install WC3 and register it with reforged pre-order (lost my original cds of which I had 2 copies) you can only play the TFT campaign. I assume that reforged will be RoC campaign primarily. In any case, I think that the most you can miss out on is one of the campaigns for some time and potential ladder play and practice before it hits. | ||
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Dingodile
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M2
Bulgaria4141 Posts
On February 03 2019 17:21 Dingodile wrote: any news/update of wc3 reforged? I haven't heard anything since blizzcon. a release date or altered graphics or whatever I think I read somewhere that it will be at the end of this year, the release date, like december 2019 | ||
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alpenrahm
Germany629 Posts
On February 02 2019 21:56 B2W.Neo wrote: you just did, and i thank you for that! if you have more feedback like that, please let me know! i'm reading comments everywhere neo in god mode :D nothing escapes his watchful eye! except maybe a tree of eternity here and there. | ||
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