Foggy v Romantic Game 2 was a blast.

Really kickass to see high viewership for GCS on the English stream. 3604 viewers, Neo just confirmed that breaks the record. He has the biggest smile on stream now.

lestye

United States4163 Posts

November 18 2017 16:46 GMT

#2866

Wow, that entire series was fantastic. Stream peaked at 3805. Even tho it didnt matter, I feel like that last Avatar of Vengeance was incredibly silly.

B2W.Neo

287 Posts

November 19 2017 07:35 GMT

#2867

jrkirby

United States1510 Posts

November 26 2017 15:14 GMT

#2868

In HvU, why does human always get a quick expo but undead never does?

Actually, is there a series of tutorial videos that would explain the basic WC3 strategy like this? Kinda like Day[9]'s back to BW series?

Holint_Casazr

Germany72 Posts

November 26 2017 17:00 GMT

#2869

Humans (for the most part, there are one base strategies) have to expand in basically every matchup to keep up production etc, kind of like zerg against protoss/terran in SC. UD on the other hand is terrible at expanding - the lack the ability to hold their expansion and their goldmines can be destroyed very easily as well, so the usual go to is a one base push to end the game before the goldmine runs out or at least getting your heros to high levels so you can streamrole them at that point.

The WC3 reddit has a general Getting Started post that contains a gameplay section, might be a good point to get the basics.

Mafe

Germany5966 Posts

November 26 2017 17:47 GMT

#2870

To put it simply, undead have a big power spike at t3 with a 50 supply army that can defeat any other 50 supply army (orb, destroyers). Orc/Ne can counter this by harassing undead and potentially having higher level heroes/picking off ud units, and they have sufficient map control to expand at t2. Humans suck at all of this, and in addition destroyers counter water elementals. So basically, they have to find another way to gain an advantage and a faste expansion is a good way as undeads take a little longer to build up supply so they cannot threaten the expansions as much as orc/ne could early on.

lestye

United States4163 Posts

November 27 2017 21:39 GMT

#2871

Did you guys take a look at the Hiveworkshop entries?
https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/100-prize-pool-melee-mapping-contest-poll.301106/

mrwhite-

55 Posts

November 27 2017 23:23 GMT

#2872

Undead expansions are horrible for multiple reasons.

-Haunted Goldmine 225 gold, 220(!!!) lumber with no defence capabilities or utility (Great Hall, Town Hall, Tree of Life gives you 10 food + you can teleport onto your expansion to defend it)
-If Undead want to defend their expansion with a Town Portal, they need to invest another 255 gold to build a Necropolis.
-Your acolytes are exposed to any attempt of harras (The workers cannot dodge projectiles, you cannot fight back, they are a liability, you cannot even long-distance mine to atleast salvage the situation)
-Undead cannot create any immediate static defences - it has to be units or you have to first build a Ziggurat (150 gold, 40 lumber) and an upgrade Spirit Tower (145 gold, 40 lumber) or Nerubian Tower (100 gold, 20 lumber). That is a 295 gold, 80 lumber investment for a single tower! In a real game, you need to have a sustainable amount of towers to properly make your opponent think twice of attacking an expansion.

If you add up the cost:
Necropolis + Haunted Gold Mine + 3 Towers (2 Spirit Towers + 1 Nerubian Tower) = 1020 gold and 360 lumber.

You need to make 1020 gold back for your investment to be worth it.

That is the cost for an expansion, where your gold miners are exposed to any attempt of harras. Another important aspect is that - for all other races than Undead - you cannot substitute lumber workers into gold workers. So you have to pay additional gold to compensate for any dead Acolytes, which further increases the investment.

I hope, that is an explanation for why Undeads never expand.

B2W.Neo

287 Posts

November 30 2017 11:21 GMT

#2873

B2W.Neo

287 Posts

December 07 2017 11:34 GMT

#2874

Want some 2on2 action? got ya covered!

B2W.Neo

287 Posts

December 08 2017 12:27 GMT

#2875

The B2W & Hive Mapcontest is over! Our winners are:

#1: Thawing Snow - $100
#2: Swamped Temple - $50
#3: Fields of Ruin - $25

Judges opinion on all 30 map entries

All 30 Maps for download

We will run a little tournament with the top 5-7 maps in the near future AND run a second map contest in Q1 of 2018!

Tchado

Jordan1831 Posts

December 13 2017 14:13 GMT

#2876

WCG IS BACK !!!!

Mohdoo

United States15690 Posts

December 13 2017 18:01 GMT

#2877

On December 13 2017 23:13 Tchado wrote:
WCG IS BACK !!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANF5RxaGgY8&feature=share

I am choosing to tell myself this will be a repeat of the glorious WCG days.

lestye

United States4163 Posts

December 13 2017 22:43 GMT

#2878

On December 13 2017 23:13 Tchado wrote:
WCG IS BACK !!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANF5RxaGgY8&feature=share

Mafe

Germany5966 Posts

December 14 2017 08:53 GMT

#2879

I always had mixed feelings about WCG. Sure it did ok to imitate the "olympics" feeling, but at the same time it often felt horribly amateurish and in wc3 had some rather questionable tournament schedules with bo1 groupstages.
Given how far esport has come since, WCG definitely needs to move on with the times. The one-nation-a-single-team principle they had seems to be at odds with the multi-national teams we have in dota and lol, assuming they will include them at all. And if they want to, they also need quite some money to attract the big name players.

FO-nTTaX

Johto4936 Posts

December 14 2017 10:28 GMT

#2880

On December 14 2017 17:53 Mafe wrote:
I always had mixed feelings about WCG. Sure it did ok to imitate the "olympics" feeling, but at the same time it often felt horribly amateurish and in wc3 had some rather questionable tournament schedules with bo1 groupstages.
Given how far esport has come since, WCG definitely needs to move on with the times. The one-nation-a-single-team principle they had seems to be at odds with the multi-national teams we have in dota and lol, assuming they will include them at all. And if they want to, they also need quite some money to attract the big name players.

WESG is doing the single nation thing as a spiritual successor to WCG