EPTNBA Playoffs 2013 - Page 8
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Onlinejaguar
Australia2823 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On April 20 2013 17:35 Onlinejaguar wrote: Miami should cruise through the East. Lebron is just on another planet. Although i would still like to see someone knock them off. Pacers got a chance but idk if they're gonna make it to play them. Bulls had a chance too, even minus D Rose I feel, but there are just too many lingering injuries. As it is if Noah/Gibson aren't 100% they might not even make it past the Nets, and if they were healthy (even minus D Rose) I feel like it would be no contest. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On April 20 2013 17:51 Itsmedudeman wrote: I actually think the knicks have a much better chance than the pacers. The Knicks are such a regular season team, they'll be doing well to get past an injured Celtics. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On April 20 2013 17:51 Itsmedudeman wrote: I actually think the knicks have a much better chance than the pacers. Knicks too injured, too short at the big positions to beat the heat. You can't out small ball the Heat, not with Lebron on the floor. Go small and he can guard literally every position, and you take away your biggest advantage in rebounding. Wade/Lebron can defend all their 3pt shooters, Chandler is just coming off injury and even if he's really at 100% that's just 1 big man. The Heat have gotten even better from last year and have almost no weaknesses, but the Pacers just match up better. If Grant Hill comes back strong then they have the perimeter defense, Paul George to try and contain Lebron, and good offense from big men in West and Hibbert that prevents the Heat from going small ball comfortably cause you just toss it to West in the post when they do, and defensively you have Hibbert anchoring and good defenders at all the positions where the Heat are the strongest. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 20 2013 20:28 DystopiaX wrote: ^A bit of an exaggeration, if the Knicks don't win in 5 or less it'll be an upset. Garnett will have to go OFF to take it any more than that, but the Knicks should win easily. I don't see them being the contenders others are making them out to be though. Knicks too injured, too short at the big positions to beat the heat. You can't out small ball the Heat, not with Lebron on the floor. Go small and he can guard literally every position, and you take away your biggest advantage in rebounding. Wade/Lebron can defend all their 3pt shooters, Chandler is just coming off injury and even if he's really at 100% that's just 1 big man. The Heat have gotten even better from last year and have almost no weaknesses, but the Pacers just match up better. If Grant Hill comes back strong then they have the perimeter defense, Paul George to try and contain Lebron, and good offense from big men in West and Hibbert that prevents the Heat from going small ball comfortably cause you just toss it to West in the post when they do, and defensively you have Hibbert anchoring and good defenders at all the positions where the Heat are the strongest. grant hill???  | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
They need another good perimeter defender and that's gonna have to be him. edit- oh I just realized. George Hill lol | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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Ubiquitousdichotomy
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FreedomMurder
Canada200 Posts
On April 20 2013 16:57 Ace wrote: You serious? not only is that an over simplification of their style, but what style is supposed to be "proper" and work? I'm saying that there are times when its clear the NYK are superior to a team in offensive talent, athleticism and post scoring, yet they choose to keep jacking up 3s. I know this is Mike Woodson's style to spread the floor to allow room for Felton, Smith and Melo to operate but I think this is a gamble they don't always need to take. If you ran more pick and roll with either felton or smith and chandler as the roll and melo as the option I think they could be extremely efficient. Being over reliant on 3pt shooting more often than not bails out an opponent who can't match up with you man for man. 3pt shots also usually have long rebounds which allow for transition opportunities and under utilize tyson chandlers insane offensive rebounding capabilities. So yes, I'm serious. | ||
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FreedomMurder
Canada200 Posts
On April 20 2013 17:38 Itsmedudeman wrote: I'd say the most successful teams rely on the 3 point shot nowadays. I mean, just look at how the entire league seems to be now. More and more teams are going small ball (to an extent) and that's because of the 3. I think it's more the lack of dominant centers that has made the league shift to playing small ball. Post moves are a lost art, Roy Hibbert has the best hook shot in the league, and its not even good..... | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Big post-move players have declined though, agree there. IMO (pure speculation) it is more of a "meta-game" thing, maybe years down the road you will see it come back as a counter to some things going on now (and by no means am I saying it is non-existent). Good analysis on 3pt shot selection and comebacks in games: http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/Live by the Three, Die by the Three The Price of Risk in the NBA.pdf | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I don't think any shots are inherently better (I guess 2 points with your foot on the 3pt line), but they become better or worse depending on the system of basketball, and the last 10+ years of defense have inadequately dealt with 3pt shooters. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On April 21 2013 01:53 Jibba wrote: That is until teams begin making sacrifices to cover the 3, and start becoming more vulnerable mid-range or inside. I don't think any shots are inherently better (I guess 2 points with your foot on the 3pt line), but they become better or worse depending on the system of basketball, and the last 10+ years of defense have inadequately dealt with 3pt shooters. Agree. No one really exploited the 3s either because it was thought of as being a bad shot somewhat. I should have also said that shooting a 3 as opposed to a long-2 just offers more points-per-possession. If you hoist 100 threes and make 30% you are at 90 points. You would have to make 45% on twos just to get those 90 points. Depending on the difference in distance between the three and the long-2, you could see the tradeoff being worth it. Throw in the fact that corner-3 is the closest distance to the basket and you can see why more teams try to get those kind of shots into their offense. (could somewhat be traced back to D'Antoni and PHX starting this trend with the corner 3s) | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
On April 20 2013 21:25 rabidch wrote: http://deadspin.com/which-nba-pundits-made-the-worst-regular-season-predict-476527726 You know that article is funny because there were so few predictions to track but overall I almost never trust a word Bruce Bowen says. Great NBA defender but he is not a good analyst of the game. Rambis seems to fall into that category a good bit as well. | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
On April 21 2013 01:53 Jibba wrote: That is until teams begin making sacrifices to cover the 3, and start becoming more vulnerable mid-range or inside. I don't think any shots are inherently better (I guess 2 points with your foot on the 3pt line), but they become better or worse depending on the system of basketball, and the last 10+ years of defense have inadequately dealt with 3pt shooters. You just summed up Houstons offensive system. They nearly exclusively shoot 3s or at the rim and they're offensive philosophy has been designed more around advanced metrics than probably any other team with Daryl Morey being a main proponent. Now they don't quite have all the players they'd like I dont think... One note about a shot being inherently better - the corner 3 in the NBA is the highest Point Per Possession shot in the game after an uncontested dunk/layup so those are probably the two 'inherently best shots' in the game. Edit: sorry Mass.. didn't see your last paragraph there... | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
What might possibly have an effect on it though are certain rules or changes that can be put into effect by the league. Such as how the zone-defense change and no hand-checking rule-change shaped the league into what it is now. But even then I think it would just mostly change the way teams try to get these shots, depending on what league-changes of course. | ||
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