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Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
January 07 2014 19:59 GMT
#2721
She chose not to heal the orc either. So she was just hoarding heals. Like Abigael hoarding loot.

I'm not sure why you are trying to sidetrack into the drama. I am talking about my personal opinion.

It seemed to me bizarre and out of character to not use a heal on a critically injured comrade in a situation where they needed to make haste.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 07 2014 20:03 GMT
#2722
On January 08 2014 04:59 Zaqwe wrote:
She chose not to heal the orc either. So she was just hoarding heals. Like Abigael hoarding loot.

I'm not sure why you are trying to sidetrack into the drama. I am talking about my personal opinion.

It seemed to me bizarre and out of character to not use a heal on a critically injured comrade in a situation where they needed to make haste.


She was discussing the possibility of healing an orc when the insult occurred. She chose not to, like usual, because Geoff chose to assert dominance over a situation and shut down his companion's ideas. You also don't know if they needed to make haste. The only orcs they knew of were the 6 they killed. Could there have been more on the way? Sure. But, couldn't they have found out that more were on the way, when, and how many by possibly asking one of those said orcs?
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
January 07 2014 20:07 GMT
#2723
I think you are over analyzing a minor action way too much.

I think JP handled the thing with Geoff poorly. While he isn't obliged to sit by if he feels that someone in the group is getting bullied it would be better if they could talk it out. Hopefully they can do that because I really enjoy Geoff's characters.
Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
January 07 2014 20:08 GMT
#2724
I can guarantee they needed to make haste. More orcs would come and the bigger head start they could get, the better.

That's if we take the situation in context of roleplaying.

Of course you could metagame it and say Neal wouldn't throw too much danger at them and they could just slouch about, sleep, take their time healing, etc.
Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
January 07 2014 20:14 GMT
#2725
On January 08 2014 05:07 CobaltBlu wrote:
I think you are over analyzing a minor action way too much.

I think JP handled the thing with Geoff poorly. While he isn't obliged to sit by if he feels that someone in the group is getting bullied it would be better if they could talk it out. Hopefully they can do that because I really enjoy Geoff's characters.

She's playing a cleric and instead of helping a critically injured party member she ignored him until a non-cleric character failed multiple attempts to stabilize JP. And she only helped in the most minimal way she possibly could.

I wish Ryan were playing the cleric. He seems so much better suited to play that role.

Gen could play some sort of lone ranger who don't need no cooperation, or a dishonest unhelpful thief again.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 07 2014 20:14 GMT
#2726
On January 08 2014 05:08 Zaqwe wrote:
I can guarantee they needed to make haste. More orcs would come and the bigger head start they could get, the better.

That's if we take the situation in context of roleplaying.

Of course you could metagame it and say Neal wouldn't throw too much danger at them and they could just slouch about, sleep, take their time healing, etc.


Couldn't disagree more. I would argue that, in terms of metagaming, it's likely Neal would have had more fights planned. 6 orcs against a party of level 3s isn't a major challenge and he could've easily had more combat prepared knowing the party can handle it.

The only thing the party knew was that 6 orcs came. Why would they assume more are lurking around town or right outside? Why wouldn't they all have come in together then? Further, what is the point of making haste with no plan? Quick we need to hurry and... what? Nothing had been decided by the town or the party.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
January 07 2014 20:19 GMT
#2727
On January 08 2014 05:14 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 05:08 Zaqwe wrote:
I can guarantee they needed to make haste. More orcs would come and the bigger head start they could get, the better.

That's if we take the situation in context of roleplaying.

Of course you could metagame it and say Neal wouldn't throw too much danger at them and they could just slouch about, sleep, take their time healing, etc.


Couldn't disagree more. I would argue that, in terms of metagaming, it's likely Neal would have had more fights planned. 6 orcs against a party of level 3s isn't a major challenge and he could've easily had more combat prepared knowing the party can handle it.

The only thing the party knew was that 6 orcs came. Why would they assume more are lurking around town or right outside? Why wouldn't they all have come in together then? Further, what is the point of making haste with no plan? Quick we need to hurry and... what? Nothing had been decided by the town or the party.

Orcs showed up specifically asking for the baby.

The only possible course of action was to leave with the baby. Obviously the sooner the better.
Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
January 07 2014 20:23 GMT
#2728
People were highly critical of Azril for losing his powers.

Imagine Azril had his powers but simply ignored critically injured party members and refused to heal them.

Would people be as defensive of JP in that situation as they are of Gen?
TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
January 07 2014 20:26 GMT
#2729
On January 08 2014 05:23 Zaqwe wrote:
People were highly critical of Azril for losing his powers.

Imagine Azril had his powers but simply ignored critically injured party members and refused to heal them.

Would people be as defensive of JP in that situation as they are of Gen?


JP had been playing a cleric for months by that point whereas it was gen's first session, nearly her first fuckin' hour. this is an incredibly tedious line of discussion.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 20:31:37
January 07 2014 20:30 GMT
#2730
so from 2 camps fighting eachother we went to bashing gen again for a decision in RPing HER CHARACTER IN THEIR GAME? gz on that.

god. stuff like that just makes me think that a show like that cant work with such close ties to the community...
or maybe i should just reading this stuff but then again i wanna know whats the situation now...
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Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
January 07 2014 20:32 GMT
#2731
It doesn't take experience to know when you are the only person in the party with the ability to magically heal.

And then when you do decide to begrudgingly help the injured person experience doesn't help you not be stingy and use the most minimally effective healing method available.
Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
January 07 2014 20:33 GMT
#2732
On January 08 2014 05:30 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
so from 2 camps fighting eachother we went to bashing gen again for a decision in RPing HER CHARACTER IN THEIR GAME? gz on that.

god. stuff like that just makes me think that a show like that cant work with such close ties to the community...
or maybe i should just reading this stuff but then again i wanna know whats the situation now...

It was bad roleplaying.

If someone wants to roleplay an unhelpful party member they shouldn't be a cleric.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 07 2014 20:37 GMT
#2733
On January 08 2014 05:33 Zaqwe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 05:30 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
so from 2 camps fighting eachother we went to bashing gen again for a decision in RPing HER CHARACTER IN THEIR GAME? gz on that.

god. stuff like that just makes me think that a show like that cant work with such close ties to the community...
or maybe i should just reading this stuff but then again i wanna know whats the situation now...

It was bad roleplaying.

If someone wants to roleplay an unhelpful party member they shouldn't be a cleric.


by that line of thought, JP shouldn't have forsaken his god as Azril

Abigail made it a point to rub it in Azril's face every time she got that he was literally just a dwarf with a talking hammer
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TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 20:41:39
January 07 2014 20:40 GMT
#2734
On January 08 2014 05:33 Zaqwe wrote:

It was bad roleplaying.

If someone wants to roleplay an unhelpful party member they shouldn't be a cleric.


does this look insane to anyone else? how in the world can you conclude that it was bad roleplaying on the basis of one-fourth of a session where half of that was taken up by establishing the plot and setting? you're not even describing roleplaying, you're describing something that seems akin to powergaming, where any divergence from the norm that healers heal all the time - without thought for what a player might want to do with a character in a longform context - is toxic and is killing the game.
Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
January 07 2014 20:40 GMT
#2735
On January 08 2014 05:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 05:33 Zaqwe wrote:
On January 08 2014 05:30 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
so from 2 camps fighting eachother we went to bashing gen again for a decision in RPing HER CHARACTER IN THEIR GAME? gz on that.

god. stuff like that just makes me think that a show like that cant work with such close ties to the community...
or maybe i should just reading this stuff but then again i wanna know whats the situation now...

It was bad roleplaying.

If someone wants to roleplay an unhelpful party member they shouldn't be a cleric.


by that line of thought, JP shouldn't have forsaken his god as Azril

Abigail made it a point to rub it in Azril's face every time she got that he was literally just a dwarf with a talking hammer

Exactly. JP shouldn't have forsaken his god as Azril. And I didn't see any white knights defending him.

If he had his powers but ignored critically wounded party members the criticism of him would have been even worse.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
January 07 2014 20:41 GMT
#2736
On January 08 2014 05:33 Zaqwe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 05:30 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
so from 2 camps fighting eachother we went to bashing gen again for a decision in RPing HER CHARACTER IN THEIR GAME? gz on that.

god. stuff like that just makes me think that a show like that cant work with such close ties to the community...
or maybe i should just reading this stuff but then again i wanna know whats the situation now...

It was bad roleplaying.

If someone wants to roleplay an unhelpful party member they shouldn't be a cleric.

Not every cleric is the same. Roleplaying is not stereotyping.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Alak
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden380 Posts
January 07 2014 20:42 GMT
#2737
On January 08 2014 05:33 Zaqwe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 05:30 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
so from 2 camps fighting eachother we went to bashing gen again for a decision in RPing HER CHARACTER IN THEIR GAME? gz on that.

god. stuff like that just makes me think that a show like that cant work with such close ties to the community...
or maybe i should just reading this stuff but then again i wanna know whats the situation now...

It was bad roleplaying.

If someone wants to roleplay an unhelpful party member they shouldn't be a cleric.


Been avoiding Rollplay for a while, trying to stock up on episodes and so I have no idea what kind of cleric Gen rolled up, but I think your idea of what a cleric is is a bit skewed. All a cleric _really_ has to do is follow the tenets set by his/her deity. A cleric of, say, Lathander is going to be quite different from a cleric of Talos, whose dogma is built upon self interest and spreading destruction. On top of that clerics are still people and make bad calls sometimes, perhaps having to pay a penance to their deity in the process or some such but not necessarily "bad roleplaying". It's quite possible to play a cleric who simply is bad at his/her job (and could indeed be an interesting trait to boot).
Amateurish. Nearsighted. A waste of my time and everyone else's.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 07 2014 20:42 GMT
#2738
On January 08 2014 05:41 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 05:33 Zaqwe wrote:
On January 08 2014 05:30 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
so from 2 camps fighting eachother we went to bashing gen again for a decision in RPing HER CHARACTER IN THEIR GAME? gz on that.

god. stuff like that just makes me think that a show like that cant work with such close ties to the community...
or maybe i should just reading this stuff but then again i wanna know whats the situation now...

It was bad roleplaying.

If someone wants to roleplay an unhelpful party member they shouldn't be a cleric.

Not every cleric is the same. Roleplaying is not stereotyping.


Bro, there's only one way to roleplay - obv.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
January 07 2014 20:42 GMT
#2739
d&d isnt real life mmorpg fighting and clerics aren't healbots, she has absolutely no obligation to heal anyone. If you want to go by role playing only, the other characters shouldn't even know whether or not she has heal and how many spells are available.
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chaos021
Profile Joined March 2012
United States258 Posts
January 07 2014 20:43 GMT
#2740
On January 08 2014 04:52 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 04:18 Zaqwe wrote:
Advocating capturing an orc was great. Good idea.

Then the orcs died and a comrade was left critically injured.

Refusing to magically heal a critically injured party member in the midst of an urgent situation that called for them to make a hasty departure at as close to full strength as they could muster was really strange and seemed out of character for a cleric, especially given the back story. It seemed more like Abigael's selfish unhelpfulness than the new cleric character.


Refusing to heal? How about, has a good idea about how to get information. Information is extremely valuable. What they could have learned is anybody's guess, but at the cost of a heal it's not like the game would be over if she hadn't healed JP. She thought a reasonable course of action was spending a heal on an orc to get information.

This is not a bad idea, absurd, bad rp'ing, or anything. It is an extremely legit idea and the only reason Geoff's character acted that way is because it wasn't Geoff's idea. Go watch older episodes and how he responds anytime Gen has an idea that he disagrees with (no matter how valid it might be).

This whole thing to me is ridiculous. Geoff needs to learn how to be a a brutish, mean character without simply being an asshole towards Gen. There are a lot of ways to roleplay a jerk that don't involve merely insulting your companions. JP needs to calm down and realize that Geoff's reaction to the threat of removal was from that of a hurt friend so any ensuing arguments he made clearly weren't going to be level-headed. Likewise, Geoff needs to understand that, even if he thinks a lot of the things he says are jokes, he needs to dial it back and avoid toeing the line every chance he gets.


Wtf? He doesn't have this special "dick" mode just for Gen. If you've watched the series, he trolls Neal and Ryan also. He also gets frustrated with almost every character JP makes as well but in a different way.
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