EPTI'm not sure why you are trying to sidetrack into the drama. I am talking about my personal opinion.
It seemed to me bizarre and out of character to not use a heal on a critically injured comrade in a situation where they needed to make haste.
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
I'm not sure why you are trying to sidetrack into the drama. I am talking about my personal opinion. It seemed to me bizarre and out of character to not use a heal on a critically injured comrade in a situation where they needed to make haste. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On January 08 2014 04:59 Zaqwe wrote: She chose not to heal the orc either. So she was just hoarding heals. Like Abigael hoarding loot. I'm not sure why you are trying to sidetrack into the drama. I am talking about my personal opinion. It seemed to me bizarre and out of character to not use a heal on a critically injured comrade in a situation where they needed to make haste. She was discussing the possibility of healing an orc when the insult occurred. She chose not to, like usual, because Geoff chose to assert dominance over a situation and shut down his companion's ideas. You also don't know if they needed to make haste. The only orcs they knew of were the 6 they killed. Could there have been more on the way? Sure. But, couldn't they have found out that more were on the way, when, and how many by possibly asking one of those said orcs? | ||
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
I think JP handled the thing with Geoff poorly. While he isn't obliged to sit by if he feels that someone in the group is getting bullied it would be better if they could talk it out. Hopefully they can do that because I really enjoy Geoff's characters. | ||
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
That's if we take the situation in context of roleplaying. Of course you could metagame it and say Neal wouldn't throw too much danger at them and they could just slouch about, sleep, take their time healing, etc. | ||
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
On January 08 2014 05:07 CobaltBlu wrote: I think you are over analyzing a minor action way too much. I think JP handled the thing with Geoff poorly. While he isn't obliged to sit by if he feels that someone in the group is getting bullied it would be better if they could talk it out. Hopefully they can do that because I really enjoy Geoff's characters. She's playing a cleric and instead of helping a critically injured party member she ignored him until a non-cleric character failed multiple attempts to stabilize JP. And she only helped in the most minimal way she possibly could. I wish Ryan were playing the cleric. He seems so much better suited to play that role. Gen could play some sort of lone ranger who don't need no cooperation, or a dishonest unhelpful thief again. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On January 08 2014 05:08 Zaqwe wrote: I can guarantee they needed to make haste. More orcs would come and the bigger head start they could get, the better. That's if we take the situation in context of roleplaying. Of course you could metagame it and say Neal wouldn't throw too much danger at them and they could just slouch about, sleep, take their time healing, etc. Couldn't disagree more. I would argue that, in terms of metagaming, it's likely Neal would have had more fights planned. 6 orcs against a party of level 3s isn't a major challenge and he could've easily had more combat prepared knowing the party can handle it. The only thing the party knew was that 6 orcs came. Why would they assume more are lurking around town or right outside? Why wouldn't they all have come in together then? Further, what is the point of making haste with no plan? Quick we need to hurry and... what? Nothing had been decided by the town or the party. | ||
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
On January 08 2014 05:14 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Couldn't disagree more. I would argue that, in terms of metagaming, it's likely Neal would have had more fights planned. 6 orcs against a party of level 3s isn't a major challenge and he could've easily had more combat prepared knowing the party can handle it. The only thing the party knew was that 6 orcs came. Why would they assume more are lurking around town or right outside? Why wouldn't they all have come in together then? Further, what is the point of making haste with no plan? Quick we need to hurry and... what? Nothing had been decided by the town or the party. Orcs showed up specifically asking for the baby. The only possible course of action was to leave with the baby. Obviously the sooner the better. | ||
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
Imagine Azril had his powers but simply ignored critically injured party members and refused to heal them. Would people be as defensive of JP in that situation as they are of Gen? | ||
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On January 08 2014 05:23 Zaqwe wrote: People were highly critical of Azril for losing his powers. Imagine Azril had his powers but simply ignored critically injured party members and refused to heal them. Would people be as defensive of JP in that situation as they are of Gen? JP had been playing a cleric for months by that point whereas it was gen's first session, nearly her first fuckin' hour. this is an incredibly tedious line of discussion. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
god. stuff like that just makes me think that a show like that cant work with such close ties to the community... or maybe i should just reading this stuff but then again i wanna know whats the situation now... | ||
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
And then when you do decide to begrudgingly help the injured person experience doesn't help you not be stingy and use the most minimally effective healing method available. | ||
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
On January 08 2014 05:30 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: so from 2 camps fighting eachother we went to bashing gen again for a decision in RPing HER CHARACTER IN THEIR GAME? gz on that. god. stuff like that just makes me think that a show like that cant work with such close ties to the community... or maybe i should just reading this stuff but then again i wanna know whats the situation now... It was bad roleplaying. If someone wants to roleplay an unhelpful party member they shouldn't be a cleric. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On January 08 2014 05:33 Zaqwe wrote: It was bad roleplaying. If someone wants to roleplay an unhelpful party member they shouldn't be a cleric. by that line of thought, JP shouldn't have forsaken his god as Azril Abigail made it a point to rub it in Azril's face every time she got that he was literally just a dwarf with a talking hammer | ||
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On January 08 2014 05:33 Zaqwe wrote: It was bad roleplaying. If someone wants to roleplay an unhelpful party member they shouldn't be a cleric. does this look insane to anyone else? how in the world can you conclude that it was bad roleplaying on the basis of one-fourth of a session where half of that was taken up by establishing the plot and setting? you're not even describing roleplaying, you're describing something that seems akin to powergaming, where any divergence from the norm that healers heal all the time - without thought for what a player might want to do with a character in a longform context - is toxic and is killing the game. | ||
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Zaqwe
591 Posts
On January 08 2014 05:37 jcarlsoniv wrote: by that line of thought, JP shouldn't have forsaken his god as Azril Abigail made it a point to rub it in Azril's face every time she got that he was literally just a dwarf with a talking hammer Exactly. JP shouldn't have forsaken his god as Azril. And I didn't see any white knights defending him. If he had his powers but ignored critically wounded party members the criticism of him would have been even worse. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On January 08 2014 05:33 Zaqwe wrote: It was bad roleplaying. If someone wants to roleplay an unhelpful party member they shouldn't be a cleric. Not every cleric is the same. Roleplaying is not stereotyping. | ||
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Alak
Sweden380 Posts
On January 08 2014 05:33 Zaqwe wrote: It was bad roleplaying. If someone wants to roleplay an unhelpful party member they shouldn't be a cleric. Been avoiding Rollplay for a while, trying to stock up on episodes and so I have no idea what kind of cleric Gen rolled up, but I think your idea of what a cleric is is a bit skewed. All a cleric _really_ has to do is follow the tenets set by his/her deity. A cleric of, say, Lathander is going to be quite different from a cleric of Talos, whose dogma is built upon self interest and spreading destruction. On top of that clerics are still people and make bad calls sometimes, perhaps having to pay a penance to their deity in the process or some such but not necessarily "bad roleplaying". It's quite possible to play a cleric who simply is bad at his/her job (and could indeed be an interesting trait to boot). | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On January 08 2014 05:41 ACrow wrote: Not every cleric is the same. Roleplaying is not stereotyping. Bro, there's only one way to roleplay - obv. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
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chaos021
United States258 Posts
On January 08 2014 04:52 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Refusing to heal? How about, has a good idea about how to get information. Information is extremely valuable. What they could have learned is anybody's guess, but at the cost of a heal it's not like the game would be over if she hadn't healed JP. She thought a reasonable course of action was spending a heal on an orc to get information. This is not a bad idea, absurd, bad rp'ing, or anything. It is an extremely legit idea and the only reason Geoff's character acted that way is because it wasn't Geoff's idea. Go watch older episodes and how he responds anytime Gen has an idea that he disagrees with (no matter how valid it might be). This whole thing to me is ridiculous. Geoff needs to learn how to be a a brutish, mean character without simply being an asshole towards Gen. There are a lot of ways to roleplay a jerk that don't involve merely insulting your companions. JP needs to calm down and realize that Geoff's reaction to the threat of removal was from that of a hurt friend so any ensuing arguments he made clearly weren't going to be level-headed. Likewise, Geoff needs to understand that, even if he thinks a lot of the things he says are jokes, he needs to dial it back and avoid toeing the line every chance he gets. Wtf? He doesn't have this special "dick" mode just for Gen. If you've watched the series, he trolls Neal and Ryan also. He also gets frustrated with almost every character JP makes as well but in a different way. | ||
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