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PACQUIAO vs MARQUEZ IV
Non-title Welterweight Bout
Saturday, December 8, 2012
MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada
Official Weights:
Manny Pacquiao, 147 lbs. | Juan Manuel Marquez, 143 lbs.
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Pacquiao vs. Marquez IV
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
PACQUIAO vs MARQUEZ IV Non-title Welterweight Bout Saturday, December 8, 2012 MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada Official Weights: Manny Pacquiao, 147 lbs. | Juan Manuel Marquez, 143 lbs. | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
Poll: Who wins the fight and how? Pacquiao by decision (close) (5) Marquez by decision (close) (4) Marquez by TKO/KO (3) Pacquiao by decision (wide) (2) Pacquiao by TKO/KO (2) Marquez by decision (wide) (1) 17 total votes Your vote: Who wins the fight and how? (Vote): Pacquiao by decision (close) | ||
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fbs
United Kingdom2476 Posts
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
The biggest question I have going into this fight is: will Juan Manuel Marquez finally get the nod if this goes to the cards? I think the answer is yes. I think Pacquiao won the first fight between them by a point, JMM won the second fight by close decision, and the third fight by a wider margin. That said, many people believe JMM won all three and believe me, the judges know the pressure that they're under after the questionable decision of the third fight and the controversy of Manny Pacquiao's fight with Tim Bradley. In fact, I think that it's quite plausible that even if Pacquiao won on the cards, Marquez would still get the nod. You never know because boxing politics can dictate what happens on the cards more than what happens in the ring. Do I think this fight goes 12 rounds? I'm not sure... Supposedly Manny Pacquiao is focused and going out there to knock Marquez out, but that's what the Pacquiao camp always says. There's never another plan besides go out there and knock the guy out. Marquez also says he plans on knocking Pacquiao out. He's worked on speed and conditioning this training camp, and he picked up a strength and conditioning coach to get his 39 year old body into shape. You can definitely see the results as he looks shredded and bigger than Pacquiao despite weighing in less on the scales. I'm not sure how bulking up is going to affect his speed going into the fight, but we'll see. I think that the fight will probably play out like the last three, with maybe the exception of Marquez being a big more aggressive early on. I think it's really up to Pacquiao to dictate the fight with his attack. If he's going to rely on his double jab, straight left like he's always done, he's going to get timed and countered again. He needs to mix it up and throw the left hook more and not fall into Marquez's traps. Marquez, I think he can keep doing what he's been doing, but he needs to put in a lot more work to the body. Pacquiao is only vulnerable to the body and it's the only way Marquez can KO him because Pacquiao has a big ass head and ridiculous durability attached to it. He also can't take his foot off the gas in the 11th and 12th rounds. A lot of people who support Pacquiao winning the third fight say Marquez lost it in the 12th. I thought he won the 12th round, but he can't leave anything up to chance this time around. All that said, I don't know who's gonna win this one. I'll say that Marquez has looked better and better each time they fight while Pacquiao seems to regress and end up confused during the fight. I'm leaning towards Marquez via close UD, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him stopping Pacquiao. Pacquiao also has a good shot at winning, but I really think he should stay away from the cards if he wants to win. He's gonna have to send Marquez out on a stretcher if he wants this one. I really think it's going to be a battle of who wants it more, and Marquez's life obsession is his rivalry with Pacquiao, so we'll see what happens. TL;DR: 50/50 fight. Leaning towards Marquez. If Pacman wants to win, has to kill Marquez in the ring. @fbs: The main fight should probably be around 20:30-21:00 PST. I'd keep an eye around 20:00 PST to be sure. | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
10 years later: Pacquiao vs Marquez XXII. All jokes aside, if it comes to the scorecards i bet Pac is gonna win either way. Marquez can time good counters, but Pac will land more shots either way. Handspeed OP | ||
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tassblaster
Canada47 Posts
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
On December 09 2012 08:21 tassblaster wrote: They praying JMM gets old tonight he is 40 yr old or something now. Thats the fight game. Judges OP. I don't hate on MP its just that 3rd fight was an awful decision just to try and set up Mayweather vs Pacquiao which imo would be a very one-sided fight. Regardless of the outcome MP next fight is Brandon Rios what a shitty fight..... Rios followed by Bradley rematch I can almost guarantee. Zzz Bob Arum | ||
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tassblaster
Canada47 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
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a176
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
I do hope this is a proper good fight, and i hope someone defo wins this time. Also the undercard to this fight...WOW best undercard ever by a mile? | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uUJxl.jpg) | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
On December 09 2012 11:19 Pandemona wrote: Anyone know the form or the interests of this fight for Manny? I mean the last fight, for fuck sake he did not turn up. He just has been chilling in the boxing ring which has pissed me off as a fan of his for a while. But with Khan leaving the Roach gym, and Roach only training Manny now im pretty sure that Roach would of made him get into good shape? I do hope this is a proper good fight, and i hope someone defo wins this time. Also the undercard to this fight...WOW best undercard ever by a mile? No one really knows how Manny's gonna look until the fight starts. Last time, Roach said that they had the best training camp of Pacquiao's career; Ariza said God himself could not help Marquez in the ring... look how that turned out. They're saying he's having a great camp again, good sparring and what not. I think the biggest difference is that he chose to do the whole training camp at the Wild Card this time around rather than half in the Philippines and half in LA, which should've eliminated most of his distractions, but the Wild Card itself can be a distraction itself with people going in and out like a fuckin train terminal. As for the undercard, it's pretty good. I dunno if I'd call it the best ever, Golden Boy has put together some great cards in the past 2-3 months. | ||
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a176
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charcute
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ljd1131
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10cr
Thailand287 Posts
although it's not in English | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
Here you go. Just tuned in myself. | ||
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simmeh
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fishbowl
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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FLiPNoTiK
United States62 Posts
Working Sopcast link, but not the HBO one.. Will appreciate if someone gives a HBO covered version :D | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
Edit: Gamboa won this with the knockdowns and activity. He didn't look so great in the latter rounds though and had very susceptible defense. Maybe it was the 14 month layout, but Gamboa looked beatable. He's in for some tough work against top opponents. Ferenas showed a lot of heart and determination. I wouldn't mind watching him again. | ||
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polgas
Canada1722 Posts
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
On December 09 2012 14:02 charcute wrote: i think main event next Yep. | ||
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polgas
Canada1722 Posts
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DeathCompany
United States53 Posts
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10cr
Thailand287 Posts
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mtvacuum
United States979 Posts
nvm lol | ||
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fishbowl
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CrayonPopChoa
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10cr
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Entropic
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DeathCompany
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mtvacuum
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polgas
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10cr
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Entropic
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10cr
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polgas
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10cr
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fishbowl
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polgas
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Tosstriss
Canada334 Posts
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below66
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Entropic
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DannyJ
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DeathCompany
United States53 Posts
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aznball123
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fuuck he got too eager.. should've just backed out. He was ahead.. | ||
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
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Entropic
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DeathCompany
United States53 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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polgas
Canada1722 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8uG8y.jpg) At least he got up with a smile. But man, what a shot to come back. | ||
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jnsjr
United States461 Posts
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-_-
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imweakless
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LoLAdriankat
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dmnum
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
On December 09 2012 14:54 zulu_nation8 wrote: this is beyond tragic to see as a boxing fan ??? Maybe this might be tragic if you're a Pacquiao fan only, but this is a glorious day as a boxing fan. No controversy bullshit, just a good fight ending in a decisive fashion. | ||
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polgas
Canada1722 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8pFh1.jpg) Pacman says he got careless. | ||
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DeathCompany
United States53 Posts
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scarper65
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ryerye
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
On December 09 2012 14:55 jnsjr wrote: Glad to see Pacquiao is ok. Thank God. But really, still think he can beat Mayweather after Mayweather dominated Marquez in their fight? I hope Pac retires. That was a Pacquiao-Hatton like KO. Marquez looked like he was dead, i think most people understand how close marquez was to going down late in that round. pacquiao was unloading at will with huge left hands, his nose is likely broken lol he landed 46% of punches while marquez was at 21%. Props to marquez but that shit came out of nowhere lol If anything this is a blessing in disguise, mayweather will probably finally have the balls to take the fight. | ||
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
On December 09 2012 15:06 ChoiSulli wrote: Marquez looked like he was dead, i think most people understand how close marquez was to going down late in that round. pacquiao was unloading at will with huge left hands, his nose is likely broken lol he landed 46% of punches while marquez was at 21%. Props to marquez but that shit came out of nowhere lol If anything this is a blessing in disguise, mayweather will probably finally have the balls to take the fight. Sigh... I don't like explaining this everytime, but Bob Arum is the one stopping the fight from happening, not Mayweather. Anyway... about that gif: ![[image loading]](http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/pacquiao-ko-marquez.gif) | ||
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jnsjr
United States461 Posts
On December 09 2012 15:08 fishbowl wrote: Sigh... I don't like explaining this everytime, but Bob Arum is the one stopping the fight from happening, not Mayweather. Anyway... about that gif: You know how pissed Bob Arum is now? His plan failed and now his cash cow is no more. Where does he go from here? I doubt Mayweather will fight him now. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
Answering the post above considering that Marquez's value has gone up a lot with this KO and that Floyd Mayweather Jr already is scheduled to fight on 5 de mayo's weekend - the mexican holiday - it makes sense to him to put a second fight against Marquez, the problem is that he already beat him so easily in 2009 that maybe the public is not interested, Mayweather's second option is WBC interim welterweight champion Robert Guerrero who had an impressive win against Andre Berto but he's not nearly as popular as Marquez, I'm guessing even if the public shows no interest in Marquez vs Mayweather II the PPV would still be bigger than against Guerrero and then it makes a lot of sense to put that fight together for Money May. | ||
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DeathCompany
United States53 Posts
On December 09 2012 15:11 jnsjr wrote: You know how pissed Bob Arum is now? His plan failed and now his cash cow is no more. Where does he go from here? I doubt Mayweather will fight him now. His cash cow isnt no more? They probably will make a Pacquiao vs Marquez V. Given the fact if they can get it in by next year. But idk cause Marquez is gonna be turning 40 soon. so. We will have to just see in time. | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
On December 09 2012 15:13 Nevermind86 wrote: Oh man Marquez put Pacquiao out of his misery... that was a terrible KO it's impossible to come back from that, I wanted Marquez to win but I didn't want to see Pacquiao hurt so badly I felt really bad for him and his wife that was crying! Answering the post above considering that Marquez's value has gone up a lot with this KO and that Floyd Mayweather Jr already is scheduled to fight on 5 de mayo's weekend - the mexican holiday - it makes sense to him to put a second fight against Marquez, the problem is that he already beat him so easily in 2009 that maybe the public is not interested, Mayweather's second option is WBC interim welterweight champion Robert Guerrero who had an impressive win against Andre Berto but he's not nearly as popular as Marquez, I'm guessing even if the public shows no interest in Marquez vs Mayweather II the PPV would still be bigger than against Guerrero and then it makes a lot of sense to put that fight together for Money May. Yeah... It looks like it's lining up to be Guerrero in the first half of the year, and Canelo in September. | ||
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Nevermind86
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On December 09 2012 14:54 zulu_nation8 wrote: this is beyond tragic to see as a boxing fan Are you serious? This was about a million times better than the rigged decision last time they fought | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On December 09 2012 15:11 jnsjr wrote: You know how pissed Bob Arum is now? His plan failed and now his cash cow is no more. Where does he go from here? I doubt Mayweather will fight him now. He can start building a cash cow out of Nonito Donaire while Filipinos are still riding the boxing hype. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
Donaire is already 29 and won't be a PPV star, plus there is a huge risk Guillermo Rigondeaux beats him, that's why Nonito has been dodging him for some time now. Top rank is finished. | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
On December 09 2012 15:23 Nevermind86 wrote: If anybody is commiting suicide tonight is Uncle Bob (Bob Arum) because Mercito Gesta got trashed by Vasquez to the point where people won't consider Gesta a prospect anymore but a mediocre fighter, and he was being promoted as the new great fighter from the Philipines... then Pacquiao gets brutally KO'd, so such a thing as a mega PPV fight with Floyd Mayweather will never happend and to make things worse he promised Brandon Rios the winner of tonight's fight but Rios is a dumb slugger who already was soundly defeated by Richard Abril, Marquez being the brilliant boxer he is would box Rios' head even worse it would be sad to watch but then Marquez is almost 40 so he will soon retire, who's left to make huge money for Arum after tonight? LOL. Not to mention he can't even find an opponent for Bradley. Arum is in a tough spot. As mentioned above, Donaire is his only hope for now. Rigondeaux is good, but not marketable enough. | ||
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tassblaster
Canada47 Posts
The old boxing technician deserved this win. What a FIGHTER!!!! I hope Marquez retires with that win he was already a Legend before the fight for up and coming boxers. | ||
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shin_toss
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
On December 09 2012 15:27 fishbowl wrote: Not to mention he can't even find an opponent for Bradley. Arum is in a tough spot. As mentioned above, Donaire is his only hope for now. Rigondeaux is good, but not marketable enough. I edited my comment, hehe. I'm happy because Top Rank sometimes is a joke, it seems to me they really set up the Bradley robbery... that was one of the worse decisitions I've ever seen, Bob Arum was saying some days before that fight that in the case of Bradley winning there would be an inmmediate rematch and then when the fight is over Bradley tells him "sorry I couldn't do it" but Arum still hugged him like he was his son, then the horrible decisition. Karma is a bitch. | ||
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tassblaster
Canada47 Posts
On December 09 2012 15:31 shin_toss wrote: Fck.. It's so sad hereee. We were shouting like crazy in Rd 5 and Rd 6. Then at the end of Rd6. He was killing Marquez in the 5th and most of the 6th Round. It's like missing a forcefield vs a 4 gate :< Ya MP broke Marquez nose I think in the 5th | ||
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
and the best counter puncher in the business today is Mayweather so its fairly easy to see why that fight hasnt happened, although Im sure Floyd is to blame for that as well. honestly though I dont think Floyd is, or was, particularly worried over fighting Pacquiao, it just became a huge ego thing about the ped-testing and how they would settle the financial aspects. still Its a shame they never did fight because that would have put Floyd right up there as one of the best ever, now his legacy will always be questioned because he didnt even fight the best of his era. if the Floyd-Pac fight somehow does happennow the result will always be tarnished with excuses like "Floyd was in prison" or "Pac's jaw was shot by Marquez". but yeah congrats to Marquez, but if you want things in context go watch Mayweathers total destruction of Marquez. | ||
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PureLuckz
United States137 Posts
Gut wrenching to see Manny go down like that, but at the same time with the way that he fights it was only a matter of time before a counter puncher got him, and Marquez got him good. TBH I was kind of scared for Manny there. He just lunged into the full force of a boxer's right hand, and he didn't expect it one bit. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On December 09 2012 15:08 fishbowl wrote: Sigh... I don't like explaining this everytime, but Bob Arum is the one stopping the fight from happening, not Mayweather. Anyway... about that gif: His eyes look closed when he throws that shot. Closed eyes = prayer. Good punch, and well timed, but if you don't watch it in the whole way, you have no idea if it's actually going to connect. It's like taking your eyes off the ball. Could just be that they're swollen shut too. Pacman should hang it up. I haven't watched this fight yet, but his last few fights have been lackluster, at best. While he beat Bradley, quite soundly, he used to knock inferior opponents like him out. Maybe it's all the other things he has going on with his life, but he is not the same fighter that he was a year and a half ago. He's 33, with 61 fights now; that's a LONG career, and he's never been the kind of fighter that avoids hits. Marquez and Floyd are defensive fighters: counter punchers. They'll have longer careers as a byproduct of their style. Manny gets his face beat in every time he steps in the ring and doesn't end it quickly. Over the last few fights, I think we've seen a steady decline. I think he's at the end of his run, but it was a good one. It's just a shame that he and Floyd never got it figured out to have that mega fight. I still think that 2009 Manny gives Floyd a better run for his money than any other boxer could have (though if I were a betting man, my money would still be on Floyd). I'll have more thoughts tomorrow or something when I actually see the fight, but this is the first time I didn't think Manny was going to beat Marquez, and it was based on how he looked vs Bradley. Granted, from the comments I've read, and the gif above, it seems that he was winning early on and got caught, but that's why these are just preliminary thoughts. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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Sub40APM
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On December 10 2012 14:39 killa_robot wrote: I dunno, even though Marquez was getting hit a lot prior to his counter, he was taking them pretty well. It's possible he was doing it to let Pacquiao get overconfident, and overextend himself, so Marquez could get in a well done counter like he did. Aside from being physically knocked down that's how marquez looks every time somebody hits him. Let's not blow Marquez's skills outta proportion here. He's a great counter puncher and all, but he was getting fucked up the two rounds before Manny went and expose himself in the dumbest of ways and paid for it. The punch was well timed, but it looks like such a textbook counter to someone who drops their hand so low stepping in, it honestly seems like anyone with enough balls could have went yolo with that shot and win the fight, and that's one thing Marquez has against most people who fought pacman after his Mexican Executioner stage. The dude is willing to hang in and throw shots. I used to doubt Mayweather's advantage over Manny since he has troubles against people with better handspeed than he does, but after this fight it's clear. You won't win against a technician with bad defense. | ||
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tassblaster
Canada47 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/peoPR.png) I wanna see a gif of naniwas funny walk with pacquiao on the couch! | ||
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