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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12161 Posts
March 29 2015 08:44 GMT
#761
On March 29 2015 16:22 JazVM wrote:
Are the any puzzles in this game at all? I am at the end of act 2 and there wasn't a single one so far. The dungeons seem rather boring and repetetive to be honest. Mostly it's get in and talk to a quest NPC. BG (2) had much more to offer in that regard, that's for sure.


There are some puzzles. Can't recall where I saw it but one place had you ringing bells in a certain order, hints were available on scraps people had written.

Another place with a floor where with some signs being fine to walk on, others not. Also possible to get massive hints for.

A door you can't open unless you talk to some people.

Mostly what they have done is allow you to solve the problem in 2-3 ways everywhere instead of focusing on only having one way and that being a hard puzzle. I like this approach a lot more than puzzles with minor hints that you have to complete. They tend to turn me off games if I get stuck.
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
March 29 2015 08:49 GMT
#762
i'm on normal and i find this game hard T_T

Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
March 29 2015 09:01 GMT
#763
On March 29 2015 17:49 malcram wrote:
i'm on normal and i find this game hard T_T



Yup, I can't begin to understand how people play on higher difficulty and especially the highest one.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 09:32:09
March 29 2015 09:16 GMT
#764
A lot of difficulty is about positioning, altering formation so your squishies are further back than default ones helps a lot with that, giving everyone some stealth so you can engage your melees from closer and give opponents less time to fire their spells at your backlines is also very helpful.
Another thing is that some game mechanics are counterintuitive like constitution doesn't help too much with tanking damage compared to resolve, dexterity being pretty useless in heavy armour or with 2 hander, rifle rogues haevily outperforming dualwielding ones or sword and board monk in plate mail actually doing something unlike unarmed one in robes.
Edit: Forgot to mention bad companions builds, which definitly raises difficulty compared to handmade party.
Absentia
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom973 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 09:39:51
March 29 2015 09:38 GMT
#765
On March 29 2015 18:01 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 17:49 malcram wrote:
i'm on normal and i find this game hard T_T



Yup, I can't begin to understand how people play on higher difficulty and especially the highest one.


Some people will be approaching this with years of experience playing the IE games (including mods like SCS for Baldur's Gate). There are tactics that one takes for granted (formations, exploiting chokes, kiting) after that much experience. The biggest things are limiting the number of active enemies at any time (i.e. using. choke points and disables) as well as using appropriate formations.

I imagine that people playing on the hardest difficulty are also the people most inclined to min/max everything. I don't mind using suboptimal vanilla companions, but my PC is pretty min/maxed. That makes the difficulty a lot easier. It's also why I'm inclined to avoid using custom companions, because I don't think the game is very well balanced around experienced playera having access to custom companions.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
March 29 2015 10:35 GMT
#766
On March 29 2015 18:38 Absentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 18:01 Steveling wrote:
On March 29 2015 17:49 malcram wrote:
i'm on normal and i find this game hard T_T



Yup, I can't begin to understand how people play on higher difficulty and especially the highest one.


Some people will be approaching this with years of experience playing the IE games (including mods like SCS for Baldur's Gate). There are tactics that one takes for granted (formations, exploiting chokes, kiting) after that much experience. The biggest things are limiting the number of active enemies at any time (i.e. using. choke points and disables) as well as using appropriate formations.

I imagine that people playing on the hardest difficulty are also the people most inclined to min/max everything. I don't mind using suboptimal vanilla companions, but my PC is pretty min/maxed. That makes the difficulty a lot easier. It's also why I'm inclined to avoid using custom companions, because I don't think the game is very well balanced around experienced playera having access to custom companions.


It never is, nor should it be. If you can't complete the game on a high difficulty level using the story companions, it fails at delivering a compelling experience IMO. Having player-generated custom companions makes the game boring because you don't have to deal with the party storylines or dialogues which is half the game.
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
March 29 2015 11:27 GMT
#767
On March 29 2015 19:35 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 18:38 Absentia wrote:
On March 29 2015 18:01 Steveling wrote:
On March 29 2015 17:49 malcram wrote:
i'm on normal and i find this game hard T_T



Yup, I can't begin to understand how people play on higher difficulty and especially the highest one.


Some people will be approaching this with years of experience playing the IE games (including mods like SCS for Baldur's Gate). There are tactics that one takes for granted (formations, exploiting chokes, kiting) after that much experience. The biggest things are limiting the number of active enemies at any time (i.e. using. choke points and disables) as well as using appropriate formations.

I imagine that people playing on the hardest difficulty are also the people most inclined to min/max everything. I don't mind using suboptimal vanilla companions, but my PC is pretty min/maxed. That makes the difficulty a lot easier. It's also why I'm inclined to avoid using custom companions, because I don't think the game is very well balanced around experienced playera having access to custom companions.


It never is, nor should it be. If you can't complete the game on a high difficulty level using the story companions, it fails at delivering a compelling experience IMO. Having player-generated custom companions makes the game boring because you don't have to deal with the party storylines or dialogues which is half the game.

On the other hand, the essence of RPG games is to min-max. Really, the full story is there only for the first playthrough. In any case, I'm sure some experts like Sensuki are able to beat this game with standard companions at the highest difficulty settings. I am of the opinion that not every game should be beatable by the majority of the player base at the highest difficulty settings.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12161 Posts
March 29 2015 11:32 GMT
#768
On March 29 2015 20:27 fixed_point wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 19:35 deth2munkies wrote:
On March 29 2015 18:38 Absentia wrote:
On March 29 2015 18:01 Steveling wrote:
On March 29 2015 17:49 malcram wrote:
i'm on normal and i find this game hard T_T



Yup, I can't begin to understand how people play on higher difficulty and especially the highest one.


Some people will be approaching this with years of experience playing the IE games (including mods like SCS for Baldur's Gate). There are tactics that one takes for granted (formations, exploiting chokes, kiting) after that much experience. The biggest things are limiting the number of active enemies at any time (i.e. using. choke points and disables) as well as using appropriate formations.

I imagine that people playing on the hardest difficulty are also the people most inclined to min/max everything. I don't mind using suboptimal vanilla companions, but my PC is pretty min/maxed. That makes the difficulty a lot easier. It's also why I'm inclined to avoid using custom companions, because I don't think the game is very well balanced around experienced playera having access to custom companions.


It never is, nor should it be. If you can't complete the game on a high difficulty level using the story companions, it fails at delivering a compelling experience IMO. Having player-generated custom companions makes the game boring because you don't have to deal with the party storylines or dialogues which is half the game.

On the other hand, the essence of RPG games is to min-max. Really, the full story is there only for the first playthrough. In any case, I'm sure some experts like Sensuki are able to beat this game with standard companions at the highest difficulty settings. I am of the opinion that not every game should be beatable by the majority of the player base at the highest difficulty settings.


I am of the opinion that it should be possible. If they put in the hours for it. Not on a first, second or even third play through though.
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
March 29 2015 11:37 GMT
#769
On March 29 2015 20:32 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 20:27 fixed_point wrote:
On March 29 2015 19:35 deth2munkies wrote:
On March 29 2015 18:38 Absentia wrote:
On March 29 2015 18:01 Steveling wrote:
On March 29 2015 17:49 malcram wrote:
i'm on normal and i find this game hard T_T



Yup, I can't begin to understand how people play on higher difficulty and especially the highest one.


Some people will be approaching this with years of experience playing the IE games (including mods like SCS for Baldur's Gate). There are tactics that one takes for granted (formations, exploiting chokes, kiting) after that much experience. The biggest things are limiting the number of active enemies at any time (i.e. using. choke points and disables) as well as using appropriate formations.

I imagine that people playing on the hardest difficulty are also the people most inclined to min/max everything. I don't mind using suboptimal vanilla companions, but my PC is pretty min/maxed. That makes the difficulty a lot easier. It's also why I'm inclined to avoid using custom companions, because I don't think the game is very well balanced around experienced playera having access to custom companions.


It never is, nor should it be. If you can't complete the game on a high difficulty level using the story companions, it fails at delivering a compelling experience IMO. Having player-generated custom companions makes the game boring because you don't have to deal with the party storylines or dialogues which is half the game.

On the other hand, the essence of RPG games is to min-max. Really, the full story is there only for the first playthrough. In any case, I'm sure some experts like Sensuki are able to beat this game with standard companions at the highest difficulty settings. I am of the opinion that not every game should be beatable by the majority of the player base at the highest difficulty settings.


I am of the opinion that it should be possible. If they put in the hours for it. Not on a first, second or even third play through though.

Yeah what I said was worded imprecisely. Sure, if you practise enough and have enough playthroughs you are likely able to beat the highest difficulty. I guess my point was that it should not be possible for the majority of the players to beat the highest difficulty in their first few playthroughs. Whether the story is still compelling after your 10th campaign remains to be seen.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
March 29 2015 11:45 GMT
#770
Ok so, I went to sleep at the inn, had that freaky dream with the dwarf woman, and now my quest says to find the dwarf woman from the dream. Where is she? I went back to the hanging tree and while there's purple stuff around the corpse I think I need, there's no interactive surface anywhere nearby.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
March 29 2015 11:49 GMT
#771
On March 29 2015 20:45 farvacola wrote:
Ok so, I went to sleep at the inn, had that freaky dream with the dwarf woman, and now my quest says to find the dwarf woman from the dream. Where is she? I went back to the hanging tree and while there's purple stuff around the corpse I think I need, there's no interactive surface anywhere nearby.

iirc she is hanging off a branch on the south side of the tree. Try pressing tab.
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
March 29 2015 11:50 GMT
#772
On March 29 2015 20:45 farvacola wrote:
Ok so, I went to sleep at the inn, had that freaky dream with the dwarf woman, and now my quest says to find the dwarf woman from the dream. Where is she? I went back to the hanging tree and while there's purple stuff around the corpse I think I need, there's no interactive surface anywhere nearby.

+ Show Spoiler +
Press (default) tab to see interactive areas, it's slightly above her.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
March 29 2015 11:57 GMT
#773
Thanks, I'm firin up my game to try it out as we speak.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12161 Posts
March 29 2015 12:08 GMT
#774
On March 29 2015 08:15 JazVM wrote:
Where do you guys buy the ingredients to upgrade your weapons to exceptional? I need lots of rubies and vithrack brains!


The brains can be bought from Bledha in Elm's Reach, havn't noticed rubies in any shops but havn't been looking either.
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 12:53:19
March 29 2015 12:46 GMT
#775
I gave Eren and my dwarven fighter adventurer every single defensive item i can find. Kana, durance and my druid uses arbalests and the mage guy uses fire cone. Using kana's reload speed phrase(2x reload speed and attack speed?) with blessing from durance is so op it is not even funny :D i cast defensive spells with durance and my druid occasioanly but my crossbow guys destroy stuff(50-60 damage) while my fighters afk on a choke

Act 1 Spoiler
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Any tips on upgrading stronghold? I hired 4 guys and upgraded some stuff but i don't know if i should prioritize upgrading stuff or buying items for my guys.
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
March 29 2015 12:54 GMT
#776
Where is the dwarven figher adventurer? I'm pretty sure I did 100% of every zone till Defiance City.
Hoenicker
Profile Joined February 2012
243 Posts
March 29 2015 12:54 GMT
#777
To play on the highest difficulty succesfully requires you to have completed the game at least couple of times so you know where certain items are, etc, so you can plan ahead. I bet there will be people able to run the game solo on highest difficulty within a month or two!
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
March 29 2015 12:56 GMT
#778
You can hire adventurers in inns, create new toon up to 1 lvl lower than PC for a fee.
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 12:58:28
March 29 2015 12:57 GMT
#779
On March 29 2015 21:54 Fildun wrote:
Where is the dwarven figher adventurer? I'm pretty sure I did 100% of every zone till Defiance City.

Yeah i hired that guy before + Show Spoiler +
clearing the temple in gilded vale

And the good thing about it is they won't have stupid stats like 13 13 13 14 10 8
| INnoVation | The literal god TY | ByuNjwa | LRSL when? |
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 17:16:09
March 29 2015 13:34 GMT
#780
The difficulty is all about exploitation. the higher it gets the more you have to exploit.
and the experience for new players is very different since a beginner can luckily pick good stats and and somehow manages to create a real strong party. other beginners arent so lucky and skill abdly or have a group setting that makes it unneccesary hard. and beginners tend to ignore exploitations sometimes. they want to have always those fair an square
fights and dont even think of abusing stuff.
for example + Show Spoiler +
the ogres on the 4th level of caed nua. with my experimental party i dont have a chance vs the ogre leader the druid and the normal ogre at the same time. so i started first b pulling out the normal one and kill him. for some reason the leader and the druid dont get aggro(exploit 1).then the leader combined with the druid was still too much for my level 4 party or maybe i didnt try enough dunno. so i experimented again until i got to pull em both out but the leader first. as long as the enemy has sight of you they wont lose aggro for some time. but when they lose sight they do. so the leader came out first with the druid behind him. i just ran and kept being in the sight of the leader while the druid was too far behind therefore losing agggro.so i could fight them seperated.(exploit2) .

also keep in mind that sometimes you run in situations where your party level isnt high enough and its no wonder you are getting raped.
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