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OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
February 18 2006 01:18 GMT
#661
If they are smart the will just upgrade their cranny after u attack them initially. Then u have lost some of your army and arent really able to profit from them anymore. So, if u want to set them back then go ahead and attack but if your looking at just self-advancement, it probably isn't worth it.
Honor would be taking it up the ass and curing all diseases, damn how stupid can people get. -baal http://puertoricanbw.ytmnd.com/
Jim
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
February 18 2006 01:39 GMT
#662
sure they will but then they wont be able to stop me ever again since if they ever build an army again I will hit it. So basically I will own these people but will others who are futher away come and own me because I wont grow as fast?
To sup with the mighty ones, one must climb the path of daggers.
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
February 18 2006 02:23 GMT
#663
Jim, since you are playing as the romans, I would suggest not attacking anyone with a sizeable army, even if you are sure you would wipe them out. You will lose quite a bit of legs in the process. I would expect that someone who is active enough to build up an army of 20 legs would be smart enough to hide/spend his resources, so its almost a sure thing that you won't be able to recoup the cost of the 9 legs that you would lose in a 35-20 fight. Imagine losing those 9 legs and then attacking again, only to have your massive army plunder 15/15/15/15 because he upgraded his cranny.

I'm convinced that the best strategy as a roman is to pick only the fights that you know won't lose more than 1-2 legs. Continue to build more legs only when your raiding has more to gain. For example, I have 16 legs right now, but I usually am not able to raid the maximum resources from the undefended/inactives near me. So the resources spent in legs would be better off upgrading fields and/or teching. Now, if I had more undefended/inactives near me that were full, it would be more profitable to make a bigger army.

I think I invested more heavily in my fields than most other people. I noticed that I generally had a lower leg to pop ratio than my other clanmates. And I was a bit behind in tech as well. But once I reached level 6 fields, I think my econ advantage has helped my growth.
Jim
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
February 18 2006 03:13 GMT
#664
Yes I will probably grow slower but imo once you have gained the military advantage the other guy cant win no matter how good his economy is. Just because you lose more troops when you have less troops.
To sup with the mighty ones, one must climb the path of daggers.
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
February 18 2006 03:18 GMT
#665
On February 16 2006 16:35 oneofthem wrote:
Raiding: Teutons: Swingerclub ftw!!!! Nevermind teching. Nevermind defense. A Lvl 20 Rax can build 700+ of them each day- any questions ? If you're not that active you might go for the less hungry Axemen/Paladins.

700?!!!!/?11111


Yes.
11 years and counting- TL #680
OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
February 18 2006 03:19 GMT
#666
yea but you seem to be looking at it from a 1v1 point of view. Its more like a ffa on hunters with 1000x more players. Sure you could attack the guy but YOU wont be gaining anything from it. You are attacking him and keeping him low while you could be growing much faster. And since u can't eliminate someone's only town in travian, you aren't really accomplishing anything besides making him turtle a bit. Meanwhile everyone else will get bigger then you;/
Honor would be taking it up the ass and curing all diseases, damn how stupid can people get. -baal http://puertoricanbw.ytmnd.com/
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
February 18 2006 03:19 GMT
#667
On February 16 2006 17:20 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2006 16:20 Monsen wrote:
On February 14 2006 21:14 oneofthem wrote:
On February 14 2006 20:25 Monsen wrote:
Well it's not thaaat terrible, but you play with a 20-30% handicap for sure.
Teutons are best if you plan to play activly.
Gauls are ok too, but you have to be veeeeery active to match a teuton.
How latelatelatelate game are we talking about here until romans become competitive?


Depends. You'll keep the handicap forever really, but come the time that ressources are irrelevant (20+villages) your foot has a very slight edge in attack/grain over gauls and teutons. Until then you'll have to live with the worst farming/trading/fighing (all in relation to costs) abilities.
sigh...damn the german bias...


Get to know some maths or history- your choice.
11 years and counting- TL #680
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
February 18 2006 03:28 GMT
#668
On February 16 2006 19:29 tenbagger wrote:
well, there's a discussion about racial balance on the travian forums:

http://forum.travian.com/viewtopic.php?t=3744

the overall sense that I get is that teutons are definitely much stronger in the early game. Then there seems to be some disagreement about the mid to late game. Some say that as long as you can stay reasonably close to the teutons in the early game, the superior strength of roman units and teutons weak defense will tilt the balance over to the romans. While others say that you can't overcome the early game teuton advantage, and they will maintain their lead throughout the game. Being a travian newb, I can't say which one I agree with. As a roman, I hope Monsen is wrong, but I really just don't know. But I get a feeling that it mostly balances out in the end, with the edge being small enough to overcome with activity/alliance/skill.

And on a personal note, I've finally finished upgraded all my fields to lvl 5! I feel like I'm halfway there.


It's not that hard to check my facts.
You should have the unit statistics on the travian mainpage somewhere.
Then check how much ressources you pay for each point of attack/defense/plunder capacity (feel free to multiply with speed, since that determines how often you can raid each day).
You'll see for example that Teutons are by no means weak in defense.
Romans are weaker in every aspect but attack/grain which only becomes interesting when the costs of the unit itself can be neglected (and they're still screwed by their horrible cavalry). Add their pityful merchants to that and you get the picture.
On a sidenote- I played Gauls...
11 years and counting- TL #680
Jim
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
February 18 2006 03:28 GMT
#669
On February 18 2006 12:19 OverTheUnder wrote:
yea but you seem to be looking at it from a 1v1 point of view. Its more like a ffa on hunters with 1000x more players. Sure you could attack the guy but YOU wont be gaining anything from it. You are attacking him and keeping him low while you could be growing much faster. And since u can't eliminate someone's only town in travian, you aren't really accomplishing anything besides making him turtle a bit. Meanwhile everyone else will get bigger then you;/

true, but I figure I will gain atleast something from the fact that he wont be able to raid the inactives in our area. Its a tough choice though. Hopefully he wont get more military and I can stomp him when I get imperian.
To sup with the mighty ones, one must climb the path of daggers.
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-02-18 03:50:09
February 18 2006 03:48 GMT
#670
Here are some advanced statistics I translated for you. They're only for comparing purposes and I'll leave you to your own conclusions.
Feel free to ask should you be in doubt about the meaning of one or two calculations.

Roman suckage revealed
11 years and counting- TL #680
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
February 18 2006 03:57 GMT
#671
Hmm, I'm playing as Teutons and I have my fields at 6666-6666-5555-666666, since I'm not extremely active and I can't raid 12 times a day. I still have been constantly building up my army of clubswingers (I have about 90 right now), and I have teched up to scouts. What should I do now?
Jim
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
February 18 2006 04:03 GMT
#672
seems romans are indeed the suck
To sup with the mighty ones, one must climb the path of daggers.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 18 2006 04:05 GMT
#673
On February 18 2006 12:19 Monsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2006 17:20 oneofthem wrote:
On February 16 2006 16:20 Monsen wrote:
On February 14 2006 21:14 oneofthem wrote:
On February 14 2006 20:25 Monsen wrote:
Well it's not thaaat terrible, but you play with a 20-30% handicap for sure.
Teutons are best if you plan to play activly.
Gauls are ok too, but you have to be veeeeery active to match a teuton.
How latelatelatelate game are we talking about here until romans become competitive?


Depends. You'll keep the handicap forever really, but come the time that ressources are irrelevant (20+villages) your foot has a very slight edge in attack/grain over gauls and teutons. Until then you'll have to live with the worst farming/trading/fighing (all in relation to costs) abilities.
sigh...damn the german bias...


Get to know some maths or history- your choice.
eh? travian is a german game so they made germans stronger...
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
February 18 2006 04:25 GMT
#674
On February 18 2006 12:57 Anihc wrote:
Hmm, I'm playing as Teutons and I have my fields at 6666-6666-5555-666666, since I'm not extremely active and I can't raid 12 times a day. I still have been constantly building up my army of clubswingers (I have about 90 right now), and I have teched up to scouts. What should I do now?


When the hell did you start? Did you start before this thread?
NoName
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1558 Posts
February 18 2006 04:26 GMT
#675
Looks like Romans are for less active players and for resource builders. They do have the strongest att/crop, def/crop unit -- even stronger when combined with walls. But all their units are S-L-O-W, and take a long time to make.

Despite their suckiness... the #4 ranked guy (arch) right now, is a Roman,. I have no idea if he did it legit... but he's up there. Maybe you can ask him for Roman building tips.
Wam-bam-ba-boom! Bada-bing!
Frenchguy
Profile Joined November 2005
France77 Posts
February 18 2006 05:06 GMT
#676
Shit, I want to restart and take Gaul, but I don't want to wait 2 weeks before doing anything
oneiro
Profile Joined August 2005
Australia453 Posts
February 18 2006 06:35 GMT
#677
On February 18 2006 13:25 omgbnetsux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2006 12:57 Anihc wrote:
Hmm, I'm playing as Teutons and I have my fields at 6666-6666-5555-666666, since I'm not extremely active and I can't raid 12 times a day. I still have been constantly building up my army of clubswingers (I have about 90 right now), and I have teched up to scouts. What should I do now?


When the hell did you start? Did you start before this thread?


OMFG HAX? WHATS YOUR VILLAGE??
its Fishing~
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
February 18 2006 07:42 GMT
#678
I started as soon as I saw FS's first post. I started playing Travian a week before FS did, on server 2. When FS made this post, I started on server 4. So when I started, I kinda knew what to do already; however, at the point where I am now, I am clueless as to where to go next. Any suggestions?

I'm actually fairly active, since I log on about 5-6 times a day, spread out evenly. I've heard people logging on like 12 times a day though o.o Teutons really do have an early advantage, with clubswingers being awesome at raiding - they are half the price of legionnaires, have just as much attack power, and are faster and can carry more.

Oh, and my name on Travian is Kazansky, at -85,115.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 18 2006 08:23 GMT
#679
Oh that's you...

TEutons just mass clubswingers, maybe focus on securing defense and founding second village. *hint hint

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
NoName
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1558 Posts
February 18 2006 08:32 GMT
#680
On February 18 2006 14:06 Frenchguy wrote:
Shit, I want to restart and take Gaul, but I don't want to wait 2 weeks before doing anything

Don't do that. Romans aren't hopeless. There are Romans all around the top 100 list. And the #1 aggressor (most kills) is a Roman -- and he just got a 2nd village. (I was just browsing the top 100 to seeing how many had 2nd villages already.)

I wonder what BO they use to get village so quick.
Wam-bam-ba-boom! Bada-bing!
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