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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13610 Posts
The best thing you can learn is how far to invest into a war. If you can invest in a war you break the enemy not just defeat them. If you don't you want to survive and peace out as soon as possible. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3mj4sWm.jpg) Poland has Westernized so their MP cap should be 999, but they were able to offer a peace worth more than that. Surely the Ottomans wouldn't have sent this offer, it's so crippling. I'm kind of in a shit spot in my game where everyone else has peaced out of my 15 year war with France, but I can't quite beat them and they hold Paris. Their peace offers are giving me stab hits now, but if I really don't want to accept... | ||
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On November 20 2014 14:01 Alzadar wrote: Anyone know how this is possible? Poland has Westernized so their MP cap should be 999, but they were able to offer a peace worth more than that. Surely the Ottomans wouldn't have sent this offer, it's so crippling. I'm kind of in a shit spot in my game where everyone else has peaced out of my 15 year war with France, but I can't quite beat them and they hold Paris. Their peace offers are giving me stab hits now, but if I really don't want to accept... I think I saw on reddit the other day that it was possible to get negative diplo points as a result of peace deals. Don't ask me how, I just saw it on reddit | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
On November 20 2014 17:14 WindWolf wrote: I think I saw on reddit the other day that it was possible to get negative diplo points as a result of peace deals. Don't ask me how, I just saw it on reddit 1. send peace deal 2. go culture convert until your dip is at zero 3. diplo minimum is -100 4. cancel conversions In practice this means that any peace deal should at most cost you 100 diplo power. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Bourneq
Sweden800 Posts
On November 21 2014 00:47 Alzadar wrote: I'm pretty sure AI Poland wasn't abusing a bug. Maybe it has evolved over time? | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
On November 21 2014 00:47 Alzadar wrote: I'm pretty sure AI Poland wasn't abusing a bug. oh, that? you can always accept an AI proposed peace deal no matter what diplo you have, I imagine it works the same for the AIs | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On November 21 2014 13:13 419 wrote: oh, that? you can always accept an AI proposed peace deal no matter what diplo you have, I imagine it works the same for the AIs I know that, but I don't see why Ottomans would have offered such a crazy peace deal. I didn't follow the war so I'm not sure how badly they were losing. | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
Guys! What provinces shall I take without making Europe pissed at me? The goal is to eat France asap while keeping coalitions manageable, I'd at least want to have them gone by ~1510. The wargoal is take Champagne, I have a claim on Champagne, on the rest I don't have any claims. LOL glad I wasn't playing in ironman mode this game: http://imgur.com/LnDldr3 Turns out I can't just grab whatever I want  . As I purposely didn't start this game in ironman I still have the save of the first screenshot. Please recommend me how to dismantle France asap without pissing everyone off. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
On November 23 2014 05:58 SKC wrote: How much agressive expansion did you get? Maybe you could have gotten away with more if you improved some key relationships. The big issue in that war is Austria. I like your thinking, but both England and Austria have Burgundy rivalled from the start. 1 province (champagne) gives -15 AE against HRE minors that border me, I have a claim on that province, taking 100% warscore means about -80 ae, which is enough for a mega coalition. So,I could restart and do this again while improving relations with my neighbours and I can at least keep a couple of them out of the coalition. However, if I choose to do that the rest of the game will be about staying at war with coalition members so I keep them out of the coalition, or else it will end up similar to my Teutonic Order game where I'm stuck in coalition limbo. I suppose you can't grab France within 4 wars without making a few enemies. On November 23 2014 05:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Honestly, if you can happily eat away at France, you need to fear no one. Best thing to do is try to isolate Ille de France, for fast easy wars later. Beating France with Burgundy is easy. France is pre occupied with the HYW, so ally Aragon and Castile (both of them like you, and hate France). You should have 1.3* their numbers, so the only factor thats not on your side is that France starts with amazing generals, but if you're only slightly careful with the fights you pick you should win easily. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
What ideas are you planning? I've been really satisfied with Innovative first, I have permanent 90+ tradition, virtually no war exhaustion and mercenaries are as cheap as recruits. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Fighting 1/3 of the coalition every 5 years is MUCH easier than fighting the same coalition 3 times in 15 years. As Burgundy you will want some nice allies, though, as you will have to constantly beat Austria and France in successive wars if you want to play aggressive. You will have a nice window of 15 years after your first war with France to deal with it, though. I think Poland and Castile should work, Denmark too if they can hold their unions. For reference, this is my first Hansa war peace deal (along with full annexing East Frisia). I also got an unlawful territory hit after this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KpeHFRK.png) One thing to note is that your allies take little to no AE even if you're being a very bad person. So going over your diplo relations limit early with alliances can really pay off. Another suggestion is using the humiliate option during your coalition wars, if you want a very rewarding AE-free peace deal. +1 to each MP is no joke, and with privateer nerfs you actually have to work to maintain 50 PP. A third observation (and I think this is really exploitable, I just don't understand it enough to make it consistently work) is that 100%'ing the coalition warleader will instantly give you 100% against the entire coalition, bypassing the 5 year grace period. This doesn't happen all the time (I think), but it happens most often in conquest wars, though I've gotten it to work in trade dispute wars. So you can DOW an OPM in coalition, assault down his one province, get 100% against the coalition and instantly dissolve the coalition for 6+ years depending on what random concessions you can force out of them (transfer trade power is 6 years tacked onto the truce, for example) | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
On November 23 2014 17:18 419 wrote: AE matters far less than it did in previous patches. Nations with truces can't coalition you, so the solution to accumulating too much AE is declaring on small chunks of the coalition at a time. Fighting 1/3 of the coalition every 5 years is MUCH easier than fighting the same coalition 3 times in 15 years. I agree, but if you mess up and the part of the coalition that you don't have a truce with becomes too big, you're stuck again. As Burgundy you will want some nice allies, though, as you will have to constantly beat Austria and France in successive wars if you want to play aggressive. You will have a nice window of 15 years after your first war with France to deal with it, though. I think Poland and Castile should work, Denmark too if they can hold their unions. For reference, this is my first Hansa war peace deal (along with full annexing East Frisia). I also got an unlawful territory hit after this: One thing to note is that your allies take little to no AE even if you're being a very bad person. So going over your diplo relations limit early with alliances can really pay off. I'm planning on allying Aragon and Castile for the initial war, after that I'll ditch Aragon for sure and possibly Castile depending on diplo slots. I might ally Poland later. As for allying to prevent AE: I'll go over my diplo slots and ally Savoy, Miland and Venice before the war and improve relations with the rest. England + Austria should be defeatable with all those alliances on my side. Another suggestion is using the humiliate option during your coalition wars, if you want a very rewarding AE-free peace deal. +1 to each MP is no joke, and with privateer nerfs you actually have to work to maintain 50 PP. Good point. Easy way to stop AE from reaching the other side of Europe while still having a good reward for constant warfare. A third observation (and I think this is really exploitable, I just don't understand it enough to make it consistently work) is that 100%'ing the coalition warleader will instantly give you 100% against the entire coalition, bypassing the 5 year grace period. This doesn't happen all the time (I think), but it happens most often in conquest wars, though I've gotten it to work in trade dispute wars. So you can DOW an OPM in coalition, assault down his one province, get 100% against the coalition and instantly dissolve the coalition for 6+ years depending on what random concessions you can force out of them (transfer trade power is 6 years tacked onto the truce, for example) Will declare on an OPM member of the coalition first to see what happens. Edit: I'm going to take restart and take the following in the first war: Champagne, Auvergne, Rouerge and an additional southern french province worth about 18% warscore the rest will be used to release countries I can gobble up later. That will create about -60 ae with northern Italian countries and the Swiss, should be doable to prevent most of them from joining a coalition. After that I will release Guyenne and declare on England with their reconquest CB on Bordeaux. Beat up Austria and minors that joined the war and take Calais and Guyenne's cores so the AE from that war will be very low. The next war vs France will be about returning Guyennes core for 70%ish warscore. and taking 1-2 provinces that I have a claim on by then. Doing it this way will be reasonably fast while keeping AE low. | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
On November 23 2014 07:31 Alzadar wrote: I'm playing a Burgundy game too, they are really fun. Except I am explicitly not taking any territory from France - I have all the Burgundian/Dutch culture provinces and I don't think I'll expand in Europe past that. It's fun seeing Great Britain fight France on even footing. What ideas are you planning? I've been really satisfied with Innovative first, I have permanent 90+ tradition, virtually no war exhaustion and mercenaries are as cheap as recruits. I don't feel comfortable leaving France alone at all  better finish them off while you have a good chance. As for ideas I'm not sure. If I'm going to form the Netherlands I'll colonize for sure for the extra trade ducats. If I'm staying as Burgundy, I think l'll get influence ideas first for reduced AE and the extra dip rep, or diplomatic if I need another dip slot. Innovative seems nice too, to save manpower, but I'm never really hurting for money with the rich low countries in my domain. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
http://imgur.com/a/Enbls First image is how my borders looked when the game was finished. Despite a few long regencies, I'm still happy with what I managed to achieve Jeju and Sakhalin is two client states I made because I could do so. Second image: Even if the HRE was united ~1750, Ulm still stood strong. | ||
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