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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 27 2014 01:27 GMT
#621
Would like some people to play 2v2 with, Blade is my steam name.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197989953988/
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Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
October 18 2014 16:54 GMT
#622
So just tried to play CoH2 again and wanted to know if the Wehrmacht fraction is still underpowered?

Played about 6 matches and had no chance whatsoever. Is there a good guide on playing Wehrmacht? No one could give me any good tips so far. Tried to play this strategy: http://www.coh2.org/guides/5235/fortified-armor-strategies but either i end up in a 1squad vs 1squad situation (where I lose, everytime) vs Soviet,

or vs the US i just lose because i cant defeat their m20 car thingy, I need 3 Grenadier Rockets to kill it wich seems way too much (thats 180 ammunition, right?).
No idea what US is all about (didnt buy that DLC thing and last time i played was before that faction came out).

Any tips? Most important for me to know is: What should I spend my ammunition on?
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-18 17:16:57
October 18 2014 17:16 GMT
#623
Grenadiers beat conscripts as long as you maintain range since they have a higher accuracy value than conscripts. I'd suggest working on your positioning if you think it is auto-loss.

If your opponent has vehicles you need to think about getting a pak or getting a shreck on your pgrens. For a small vehicle like the M20 you're better off luring it into a mine. The single use faust on the gren squads should be used to finish off a vehicle or produce a critical so that it can't retreat from whatever you're going to kill it with. If you use a faust or two on it and then he retreats and repairs you've pretty much screwed yourself.
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Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 12:18:07
October 18 2014 17:36 GMT
#624
On October 19 2014 02:16 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Grenadiers beat conscripts as long as you maintain range since they have a higher accuracy value than conscripts. I'd suggest working on your positioning if you think it is auto-loss.



1 of my Opponents said that too, that most early soviet units are rly good in short range combat, thats why they rush into me but I dont know what exactly long / medium range is. I dont have any visual queue, and im not sure about the penalty.

For example: If his conscripts just run into me to close the distance, should I just move back and wait for him to stop at a Point ?

I never get Shreks on the Pgrens because i never have enough Ammunition, I guess your tip will fix this since I actually screwed myself everytime by using the gren shreks and having no chance to actually kill anything with it.

Also: Strategically, can you give me more tips? I tried to capture and hold 2 Ammo boxes and 1 Fuel Node and mostly ignoring 1 side of the map and I cant hold it at all :X what should my general strategy be?

Is the Build order in the Link above any good? should I use another one? On what should I be spending my Ammunition on first? (Flamethrower, Med station etc)

edit: Weeeee I won vs a soviet player that had a waaaayyy higher lvl than me, the tips work out! Ty Blitzkrieg0 !
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Brindled
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States508 Posts
October 20 2014 08:51 GMT
#625
Are flamethrower engies + clown car spam still the GG strat in this game? If not, why? I might actually want to get into this game past the campaign that I finished sometime last year.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17720 Posts
October 20 2014 10:41 GMT
#626
On October 20 2014 17:51 Brindled wrote:
Are flamethrower engies + clown car spam still the GG strat in this game? If not, why? I might actually want to get into this game past the campaign that I finished sometime last year.


I don't think there are any GG strats in this game. Some units are quite cheesy - M15A1 in reverse gear comes to mind - but apart from that I haven't encountered anything major or gamebreaking.
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teapot
Profile Joined October 2007
United Kingdom266 Posts
October 20 2014 11:46 GMT
#627
If you are a 1v1 player you might get some enjoyment out of it, but if you want to play team games then I wouldn't bother. It is completely dominated by Axis.

http://www.coh2.org/topic/24745/win-lose-ratio-from-15.9.--25.9.2014-much-more
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
October 20 2014 13:12 GMT
#628
As a player who plays mostly US and some Soviet, I disagree, I never really consider the game to be unwinnable at any stage. Although I might not qualify for that Top 200 segment that data is from, besides, they nerfed OKW Munitions gain since then.

Flamethrowers in clown cars are still viable, but GGstrat? Lol'd
chroniX
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
517 Posts
October 20 2014 15:35 GMT
#629
I am interested in CoH. What do i get with the with the normal game? Can i play all armies in multiplayer? Which DLCs are out there? What should you advice to buy?

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Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9572 Posts
October 20 2014 15:53 GMT
#630
If you want all 4 factions you need to buy the base game and Western Front Armies.
DLCs are basically a big moneygrab selling additional commanders which give you more options in a match. Like instead of being able to build T34/76 you'll be able to call in T34/85 which are much better tanks.
Likewise for germans, with a proper commander you may be able to call in Tiger tanks to the battlefield which normally aren't able to be built in a match.
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 16:06:21
October 20 2014 16:05 GMT
#631
Still, at least as Allies, even the basic commanders you start with are fully capable. Heck the best US commander hands down is one of the three you start with. Heck, even the one you mention which can call in T34/85 is one of the basic Soviet ones, not some DLC commander.

You buy either the basic game and get Soviet/Ostheer (Germans), or the xPac and get US and Oberkommando West (Also Germans). You can buy only one of them (xpac standalone) or both.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 20 2014 16:08 GMT
#632
So, I played a lot of CoH 1 and liked it, but the RNG elements drove me crazy when it came to armored units and anti tank weapons. Did they address this in the new game? I have been looking for a multiplayer RTS to play some 2v2 and 3v3s with.

Also, hows that Netcode? DoW 2 chugged if one guy had a bad PC.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 00:03:25
October 20 2014 16:22 GMT
#633
On October 21 2014 01:08 Plansix wrote:
So, I played a lot of CoH 1 and liked it, but the RNG elements drove me crazy when it came to armored units and anti tank weapons. Did they address this in the new game? I have been looking for a multiplayer RTS to play some 2v2 and 3v3s with.

Also, hows that Netcode? DoW 2 chugged if one guy had a bad PC.


You mean like shells bouncing or your units missing? Yes. That will always be in the game.

Did you play DoW2 after the steamworks conversion? (Retribution or opt in beta for the GFWL versionsSteamworks got pushed to live version a month ago) If yes then it should be similar and if not then it should be significantly better.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 19:02:20
October 20 2014 16:27 GMT
#634
On October 19 2014 02:36 Daumen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2014 02:16 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Grenadiers beat conscripts as long as you maintain range since they have a higher accuracy value than conscripts. I'd suggest working on your positioning if you think it is auto-loss.



1 of my Opponents said that too, that most early soviet units are rly good in short range combat, thats why they rush into me but I dont know what exactly long / medium range is. I dont have any visual queue, and im not sure about the penalty.

For example: If his conscripts just run into me to close the distance, should I just move back and wait for him to stop at a Point ?



If you're in cover when the conscripts are advancing then you shouldn't need to move. Your results may vary based on RNG or if you're in yellow cover and the conscripts enter yellow cover as well.

Also: Strategically, can you give me more tips? I tried to capture and hold 2 Ammo boxes and 1 Fuel Node and mostly ignoring 1 side of the map and I cant hold it at all :X what should my general strategy be?

Is the Build order in the Link above any good? should I use another one? On what should I be spending my Ammunition on first? (Flamethrower, Med station etc)

edit: Weeeee I won vs a soviet player that had a waaaayyy higher lvl than me, the tips work out! Ty Blitzkrieg0 !


I haven't played recently to give meta strategy advice. The guide you're reading is from a year ago though so I'd imagine it is out of date. One thing to be wary of is that most maps have a cut off point. This is the point that completes the supply chain to your base (or your opponents) and is an important position to hold or cut off (hence the name) from your opponent to gain an advantage. Holding the ammo/fuel points is important, but the strategy is slightly deeper than that. If you hold all the points except the cut off then you won't actually gain any of the resources all those points provide.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Brindled
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States508 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 20:53:23
October 20 2014 20:51 GMT
#635
On October 20 2014 19:41 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 17:51 Brindled wrote:
Are flamethrower engies + clown car spam still the GG strat in this game? If not, why? I might actually want to get into this game past the campaign that I finished sometime last year.


I don't think there are any GG strats in this game. Some units are quite cheesy - M15A1 in reverse gear comes to mind - but apart from that I haven't encountered anything major or gamebreaking.



On October 20 2014 22:12 Catch]22 wrote:
As a player who plays mostly US and some Soviet, I disagree, I never really consider the game to be unwinnable at any stage. Although I might not qualify for that Top 200 segment that data is from, besides, they nerfed OKW Munitions gain since then.

Flamethrowers in clown cars are still viable, but GGstrat? Lol'd


Good to hear. When I tried multi a year ago, Soviet players just spammed cars + flamethrowers and followed up with mortars to win. Things have changed a lot since then I guess.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono @TL_Brindled11
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 20 2014 20:58 GMT
#636
On October 21 2014 01:22 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 01:08 Plansix wrote:
So, I played a lot of CoH 1 and liked it, but the RNG elements drove me crazy when it came to armored units and anti tank weapons. Did they address this in the new game? I have been looking for a multiplayer RTS to play some 2v2 and 3v3s with.

Also, hows that Netcode? DoW 2 chugged if one guy had a bad PC.


You mean like shells bouncing or your units missing? Yes. That will always be in the game.

Did you play DoW2 after the steamworks conversion (Retribution or opt in beta for the GFWL versions)? If yes then it should be similar and if not then it should be significantly better.

I have not and I should. That game was one of my favorites for just jumping in and playing a 3v3 or a 4v4 and having a good time. I love CoH prime for that too. Maybe I'll try CoH 2, or just hit the reinstall button on DoW.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Brindled
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States508 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 05:33:17
October 22 2014 05:02 GMT
#637
Found a pretty good resource for guides, build orders, and strategy!
http://www.coh2.org/guides

Do any of the COH2 veterans/regulars here see worth in them? I personally have not found any guide yet that explains how the US forces tech up. With Soviet/Ost the tiers are purchasable right? Is US/OKW different?
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono @TL_Brindled11
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 14:35:52
October 22 2014 13:42 GMT
#638
On October 22 2014 14:02 Brindled wrote:
Found a pretty good resource for guides, build orders, and strategy!
http://www.coh2.org/guides

Do any of the COH2 veterans/regulars here see worth in them? I personally have not found any guide yet that explains how the US forces tech up. With Soviet/Ost the tiers are purchasable right? Is US/OKW different?


The US techs up by purchasing a unit. The Lieutenant, Captain, and Major are their tech path so to speak. After purchasing it the other units in that structure are unlocked. OKW receives a truck from offscreen that is set up to produce additional units much like soviet or german base building, except you don't need an engineer and the truck can be set up in any controlled territory rather than only the base.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
FromShouri
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States862 Posts
October 22 2014 15:07 GMT
#639
COH2 improved a lot since they added the mechanics from COH1 a few patches ago(smgs doing more damage close range, rifles doing more long etc).

Build wise for US you usually skip the captain. You usually go for Lt. after getting some rifles, get the AA gun on the back of the truck, and then save up to tech to major. You also unlock zookas and bars depending on what sort of composition the opponent has. From there its just getting shermans and wolverines and using your commander to fill in weak holes in the unit compositions.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17720 Posts
October 22 2014 19:51 GMT
#640
If you want to play wehrmacht, I suggest grabbing the mech assault doctrine. I so love the Stug, and assault grenadiers are awesome early on if you have to weather some russian conscript spam.
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