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goddamnit i want the su152 but i want to keep my guards rifles
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On April 23 2013 21:27 Mannerheim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 21:06 Cedstick wrote:
I haven't read-up on this game at all, and was just going to learn it all the painful way: when I eventually bought it after release. My friend who I played CoH with got me a beta key, though, so I'll be installing when I get home and likely playing tomorrow. How is it so far, guys? Anywhere you recommend I can start reading-up on it before jumping in? This game is quite different from CoH1 in terms of pacing. Matches are overall faster, you lose shit faster (losing an entire infantry squad to one mortal shell is not at all uncommon) and have less margin for error. Balance is a bit flaky at the moment, early game slightly favors Soviets while the late game massively favors the Germans. The cold mechanic splits opinions, I think they should remove the freezing deaths, so blizzards would only slow down infantry and limit visibility.
Its good to know that the squads aren't damage sponges like their where in CoH1. What about tanks and anti armor? My biggest problem with tanks in CoH1 was that tanks took really random damage and anti tank weapons where not reliable at all. Has that changed and can you get anti tank weapons earlier in the game?
Also, did they remove the awesome part where one of your squad members would move out of cover for not reason and cause the entire squad to be suppressed?
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On April 25 2013 02:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 21:27 Mannerheim wrote:On April 23 2013 21:06 Cedstick wrote:
I haven't read-up on this game at all, and was just going to learn it all the painful way: when I eventually bought it after release. My friend who I played CoH with got me a beta key, though, so I'll be installing when I get home and likely playing tomorrow. How is it so far, guys? Anywhere you recommend I can start reading-up on it before jumping in? This game is quite different from CoH1 in terms of pacing. Matches are overall faster, you lose shit faster (losing an entire infantry squad to one mortal shell is not at all uncommon) and have less margin for error. Balance is a bit flaky at the moment, early game slightly favors Soviets while the late game massively favors the Germans. The cold mechanic splits opinions, I think they should remove the freezing deaths, so blizzards would only slow down infantry and limit visibility. Its good to know that the squads aren't damage sponges like their where in CoH1. What about tanks and anti armor? My biggest problem with tanks in CoH1 was that tanks took really random damage and anti tank weapons where not reliable at all. Has that changed and can you get anti tank weapons earlier in the game? Also, did they remove the awesome part where one of your squad members would move out of cover for not reason and cause the entire squad to be suppressed?
all i have to say is
good luck dealing with german armor
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On April 25 2013 03:16 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 02:07 Plansix wrote:On April 23 2013 21:27 Mannerheim wrote:On April 23 2013 21:06 Cedstick wrote:
I haven't read-up on this game at all, and was just going to learn it all the painful way: when I eventually bought it after release. My friend who I played CoH with got me a beta key, though, so I'll be installing when I get home and likely playing tomorrow. How is it so far, guys? Anywhere you recommend I can start reading-up on it before jumping in? This game is quite different from CoH1 in terms of pacing. Matches are overall faster, you lose shit faster (losing an entire infantry squad to one mortal shell is not at all uncommon) and have less margin for error. Balance is a bit flaky at the moment, early game slightly favors Soviets while the late game massively favors the Germans. The cold mechanic splits opinions, I think they should remove the freezing deaths, so blizzards would only slow down infantry and limit visibility. Its good to know that the squads aren't damage sponges like their where in CoH1. What about tanks and anti armor? My biggest problem with tanks in CoH1 was that tanks took really random damage and anti tank weapons where not reliable at all. Has that changed and can you get anti tank weapons earlier in the game? Also, did they remove the awesome part where one of your squad members would move out of cover for not reason and cause the entire squad to be suppressed? all i have to say is good luck dealing with german armor
Your bumming me out. But it is Beta, so I guess that might be ok if they pull it in a bit. I might have to check this out since I loved the other game so much.
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On April 25 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:16 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 02:07 Plansix wrote:On April 23 2013 21:27 Mannerheim wrote:On April 23 2013 21:06 Cedstick wrote:
I haven't read-up on this game at all, and was just going to learn it all the painful way: when I eventually bought it after release. My friend who I played CoH with got me a beta key, though, so I'll be installing when I get home and likely playing tomorrow. How is it so far, guys? Anywhere you recommend I can start reading-up on it before jumping in? This game is quite different from CoH1 in terms of pacing. Matches are overall faster, you lose shit faster (losing an entire infantry squad to one mortal shell is not at all uncommon) and have less margin for error. Balance is a bit flaky at the moment, early game slightly favors Soviets while the late game massively favors the Germans. The cold mechanic splits opinions, I think they should remove the freezing deaths, so blizzards would only slow down infantry and limit visibility. Its good to know that the squads aren't damage sponges like their where in CoH1. What about tanks and anti armor? My biggest problem with tanks in CoH1 was that tanks took really random damage and anti tank weapons where not reliable at all. Has that changed and can you get anti tank weapons earlier in the game? Also, did they remove the awesome part where one of your squad members would move out of cover for not reason and cause the entire squad to be suppressed? all i have to say is good luck dealing with german armor Your bumming me out. But it is Beta, so I guess that might be ok if they pull it in a bit. I might have to check this out since I loved the other game so much.
German armor isn't any worse than the previous game. More so because German doesn't buy vet anymore than anything else.
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On April 25 2013 04:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 03:16 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 02:07 Plansix wrote:On April 23 2013 21:27 Mannerheim wrote:On April 23 2013 21:06 Cedstick wrote:
I haven't read-up on this game at all, and was just going to learn it all the painful way: when I eventually bought it after release. My friend who I played CoH with got me a beta key, though, so I'll be installing when I get home and likely playing tomorrow. How is it so far, guys? Anywhere you recommend I can start reading-up on it before jumping in? This game is quite different from CoH1 in terms of pacing. Matches are overall faster, you lose shit faster (losing an entire infantry squad to one mortal shell is not at all uncommon) and have less margin for error. Balance is a bit flaky at the moment, early game slightly favors Soviets while the late game massively favors the Germans. The cold mechanic splits opinions, I think they should remove the freezing deaths, so blizzards would only slow down infantry and limit visibility. Its good to know that the squads aren't damage sponges like their where in CoH1. What about tanks and anti armor? My biggest problem with tanks in CoH1 was that tanks took really random damage and anti tank weapons where not reliable at all. Has that changed and can you get anti tank weapons earlier in the game? Also, did they remove the awesome part where one of your squad members would move out of cover for not reason and cause the entire squad to be suppressed? all i have to say is good luck dealing with german armor Your bumming me out. But it is Beta, so I guess that might be ok if they pull it in a bit. I might have to check this out since I loved the other game so much. German armor isn't any worse than the previous game. More so because German doesn't buy vet anymore than anything else.
The americans at least had bazookas (where russians have crappy at guns that die in one hit from a tiger and guards rifles that are good for pinging it), and the russian heavy armor option is more expensive than the tiger (which is further silly due to the opel blitz truck with the same general that gives free fuel and munitions). Sure you can ram the tanks with t34s, but that destroys your gun and immobilizes your tank and gives a engine damage + crew stunned on a tiger. Thats assuming it somehow gets past the fifty thousand panzergrenadiers with heatseeking panzerschreks.
im not even talking about how the stugs are superior to all russian armor alone, let alone the panzeriv, the panther, elefant...
every soviet game i've won has been due to sending enough t34s to ram enemy tanks and hope to disable them long enough to have victory points count down.
soviet flametrack is pretty op too tho, although the sheer amount of panzershrecks available wastes them pretty quickly.
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Yeah, Germans OP. Don't you dare make an SU-85!
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On April 25 2013 04:51 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 04:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On April 25 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 03:16 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 02:07 Plansix wrote:On April 23 2013 21:27 Mannerheim wrote:On April 23 2013 21:06 Cedstick wrote:
I haven't read-up on this game at all, and was just going to learn it all the painful way: when I eventually bought it after release. My friend who I played CoH with got me a beta key, though, so I'll be installing when I get home and likely playing tomorrow. How is it so far, guys? Anywhere you recommend I can start reading-up on it before jumping in? This game is quite different from CoH1 in terms of pacing. Matches are overall faster, you lose shit faster (losing an entire infantry squad to one mortal shell is not at all uncommon) and have less margin for error. Balance is a bit flaky at the moment, early game slightly favors Soviets while the late game massively favors the Germans. The cold mechanic splits opinions, I think they should remove the freezing deaths, so blizzards would only slow down infantry and limit visibility. Its good to know that the squads aren't damage sponges like their where in CoH1. What about tanks and anti armor? My biggest problem with tanks in CoH1 was that tanks took really random damage and anti tank weapons where not reliable at all. Has that changed and can you get anti tank weapons earlier in the game? Also, did they remove the awesome part where one of your squad members would move out of cover for not reason and cause the entire squad to be suppressed? all i have to say is good luck dealing with german armor Your bumming me out. But it is Beta, so I guess that might be ok if they pull it in a bit. I might have to check this out since I loved the other game so much. German armor isn't any worse than the previous game. More so because German doesn't buy vet anymore than anything else. The americans at least had bazookas (where russians have crappy at guns that die in one hit from a tiger and guards rifles that are good for pinging it), and the russian heavy armor option is more expensive than the tiger (which is further silly due to the opel blitz truck with the same general that gives free fuel and munitions). Sure you can ram the tanks with t34s, but that destroys your gun and immobilizes your tank and gives a engine damage + crew stunned on a tiger. Thats assuming it somehow gets past the fifty thousand panzergrenadiers with heatseeking panzerschreks. im not even talking about how the stugs are superior to all russian armor alone, let alone the panzeriv, the panther, elefant... every soviet game i've won has been due to sending enough t34s to ram enemy tanks and hope to disable them long enough to have victory points count down. soviet flametrack is pretty op too tho, although the sheer amount of panzershrecks available wastes them pretty quickly.
Sounds historically accurate, or a least authentic. Russian tanks were used to ram German tanks and often did not have optics or other critical equipment. There was no single Russian tank that was better than most German tanks, they were easier to build and repair. I would be willing to bet that the T-34 repairs faster that any German tank.
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They at least have a field repair skill that lets them repair themselves while disabling their turret.
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On April 25 2013 06:06 Audemed wrote:
Yeah, Germans OP. Don't you dare make an SU-85!
of course i dont dare to, they have worse range than elefants, lose on 1v1 fights to anything thats not a stug pointed in the wrong direction, and die to one panzergrenadier squad.
On April 25 2013 06:19 FliedLice wrote:
They at least have a field repair skill that lets them repair themselves while disabling their turret.
except that the bloody tree that skill is in forces you to get t34/85s, which cost far more than a regular t34 for relatively minor benefits.
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On April 25 2013 06:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 04:51 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 04:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On April 25 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 03:16 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 02:07 Plansix wrote:On April 23 2013 21:27 Mannerheim wrote:On April 23 2013 21:06 Cedstick wrote:
I haven't read-up on this game at all, and was just going to learn it all the painful way: when I eventually bought it after release. My friend who I played CoH with got me a beta key, though, so I'll be installing when I get home and likely playing tomorrow. How is it so far, guys? Anywhere you recommend I can start reading-up on it before jumping in? This game is quite different from CoH1 in terms of pacing. Matches are overall faster, you lose shit faster (losing an entire infantry squad to one mortal shell is not at all uncommon) and have less margin for error. Balance is a bit flaky at the moment, early game slightly favors Soviets while the late game massively favors the Germans. The cold mechanic splits opinions, I think they should remove the freezing deaths, so blizzards would only slow down infantry and limit visibility. Its good to know that the squads aren't damage sponges like their where in CoH1. What about tanks and anti armor? My biggest problem with tanks in CoH1 was that tanks took really random damage and anti tank weapons where not reliable at all. Has that changed and can you get anti tank weapons earlier in the game? Also, did they remove the awesome part where one of your squad members would move out of cover for not reason and cause the entire squad to be suppressed? all i have to say is good luck dealing with german armor Your bumming me out. But it is Beta, so I guess that might be ok if they pull it in a bit. I might have to check this out since I loved the other game so much. German armor isn't any worse than the previous game. More so because German doesn't buy vet anymore than anything else. The americans at least had bazookas (where russians have crappy at guns that die in one hit from a tiger and guards rifles that are good for pinging it), and the russian heavy armor option is more expensive than the tiger (which is further silly due to the opel blitz truck with the same general that gives free fuel and munitions). Sure you can ram the tanks with t34s, but that destroys your gun and immobilizes your tank and gives a engine damage + crew stunned on a tiger. Thats assuming it somehow gets past the fifty thousand panzergrenadiers with heatseeking panzerschreks. im not even talking about how the stugs are superior to all russian armor alone, let alone the panzeriv, the panther, elefant... every soviet game i've won has been due to sending enough t34s to ram enemy tanks and hope to disable them long enough to have victory points count down. soviet flametrack is pretty op too tho, although the sheer amount of panzershrecks available wastes them pretty quickly. Sounds historically accurate, or a least authentic. Russian tanks were used to ram German tanks and often did not have optics or other critical equipment. There was no single Russian tank that was better than most German tanks, they were easier to build and repair. I would be willing to bet that the T-34 repairs faster that any German tank.
That's a load of horse crap. The T-34 was a superior tank to everything the Germans could field until late in 1942, and even then Panthers, P4's with improved guns, and Tigers were not fielded in significant numbers.
In 1941, the T-34 was bar none was far better than any tank the Germans could field. The issue with the T-34 was due to poor crew or bad build quality (nothing to do with the design, but bad quality control)
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On April 25 2013 06:50 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 06:16 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 04:51 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 04:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On April 25 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 03:16 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 02:07 Plansix wrote:On April 23 2013 21:27 Mannerheim wrote:On April 23 2013 21:06 Cedstick wrote:
I haven't read-up on this game at all, and was just going to learn it all the painful way: when I eventually bought it after release. My friend who I played CoH with got me a beta key, though, so I'll be installing when I get home and likely playing tomorrow. How is it so far, guys? Anywhere you recommend I can start reading-up on it before jumping in? This game is quite different from CoH1 in terms of pacing. Matches are overall faster, you lose shit faster (losing an entire infantry squad to one mortal shell is not at all uncommon) and have less margin for error. Balance is a bit flaky at the moment, early game slightly favors Soviets while the late game massively favors the Germans. The cold mechanic splits opinions, I think they should remove the freezing deaths, so blizzards would only slow down infantry and limit visibility. Its good to know that the squads aren't damage sponges like their where in CoH1. What about tanks and anti armor? My biggest problem with tanks in CoH1 was that tanks took really random damage and anti tank weapons where not reliable at all. Has that changed and can you get anti tank weapons earlier in the game? Also, did they remove the awesome part where one of your squad members would move out of cover for not reason and cause the entire squad to be suppressed? all i have to say is good luck dealing with german armor Your bumming me out. But it is Beta, so I guess that might be ok if they pull it in a bit. I might have to check this out since I loved the other game so much. German armor isn't any worse than the previous game. More so because German doesn't buy vet anymore than anything else. The americans at least had bazookas (where russians have crappy at guns that die in one hit from a tiger and guards rifles that are good for pinging it), and the russian heavy armor option is more expensive than the tiger (which is further silly due to the opel blitz truck with the same general that gives free fuel and munitions). Sure you can ram the tanks with t34s, but that destroys your gun and immobilizes your tank and gives a engine damage + crew stunned on a tiger. Thats assuming it somehow gets past the fifty thousand panzergrenadiers with heatseeking panzerschreks. im not even talking about how the stugs are superior to all russian armor alone, let alone the panzeriv, the panther, elefant... every soviet game i've won has been due to sending enough t34s to ram enemy tanks and hope to disable them long enough to have victory points count down. soviet flametrack is pretty op too tho, although the sheer amount of panzershrecks available wastes them pretty quickly. Sounds historically accurate, or a least authentic. Russian tanks were used to ram German tanks and often did not have optics or other critical equipment. There was no single Russian tank that was better than most German tanks, they were easier to build and repair. I would be willing to bet that the T-34 repairs faster that any German tank. That's a load of horse crap. The T-34 was a superior tank to everything the Germans could field until late in 1942, and even then Panthers, P4's with improved guns, and Tigers were not fielded in significant numbers. In 1941, the T-34 was bar none was far better than any tank the Germans could field. The issue with the T-34 was due to poor crew or bad build quality (nothing to do with the design, but bad quality control)
well it was more like this
german tactics >>> soviet tank tactics
t34s >>>> panzer iiis
t34s = panzer ivs
t34s inspired panzer vs aka patnhers
tigers kind of shat on anything, but like the panther, were prone to break down with shitty fuel pumps.
theres a reason why a lot of t34s that got captured were pressed into service with german crews and why the sloped armor design of the panther v was based off that of the t34
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On April 25 2013 06:50 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 06:16 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 04:51 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 04:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On April 25 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 03:16 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 02:07 Plansix wrote:On April 23 2013 21:27 Mannerheim wrote:On April 23 2013 21:06 Cedstick wrote:
I haven't read-up on this game at all, and was just going to learn it all the painful way: when I eventually bought it after release. My friend who I played CoH with got me a beta key, though, so I'll be installing when I get home and likely playing tomorrow. How is it so far, guys? Anywhere you recommend I can start reading-up on it before jumping in? This game is quite different from CoH1 in terms of pacing. Matches are overall faster, you lose shit faster (losing an entire infantry squad to one mortal shell is not at all uncommon) and have less margin for error. Balance is a bit flaky at the moment, early game slightly favors Soviets while the late game massively favors the Germans. The cold mechanic splits opinions, I think they should remove the freezing deaths, so blizzards would only slow down infantry and limit visibility. Its good to know that the squads aren't damage sponges like their where in CoH1. What about tanks and anti armor? My biggest problem with tanks in CoH1 was that tanks took really random damage and anti tank weapons where not reliable at all. Has that changed and can you get anti tank weapons earlier in the game? Also, did they remove the awesome part where one of your squad members would move out of cover for not reason and cause the entire squad to be suppressed? all i have to say is good luck dealing with german armor Your bumming me out. But it is Beta, so I guess that might be ok if they pull it in a bit. I might have to check this out since I loved the other game so much. German armor isn't any worse than the previous game. More so because German doesn't buy vet anymore than anything else. The americans at least had bazookas (where russians have crappy at guns that die in one hit from a tiger and guards rifles that are good for pinging it), and the russian heavy armor option is more expensive than the tiger (which is further silly due to the opel blitz truck with the same general that gives free fuel and munitions). Sure you can ram the tanks with t34s, but that destroys your gun and immobilizes your tank and gives a engine damage + crew stunned on a tiger. Thats assuming it somehow gets past the fifty thousand panzergrenadiers with heatseeking panzerschreks. im not even talking about how the stugs are superior to all russian armor alone, let alone the panzeriv, the panther, elefant... every soviet game i've won has been due to sending enough t34s to ram enemy tanks and hope to disable them long enough to have victory points count down. soviet flametrack is pretty op too tho, although the sheer amount of panzershrecks available wastes them pretty quickly. Sounds historically accurate, or a least authentic. Russian tanks were used to ram German tanks and often did not have optics or other critical equipment. There was no single Russian tank that was better than most German tanks, they were easier to build and repair. I would be willing to bet that the T-34 repairs faster that any German tank. That's a load of horse crap. The T-34 was a superior tank to everything the Germans could field until late in 1942, and even then Panthers, P4's with improved guns, and Tigers were not fielded in significant numbers. In 1941, the T-34 was bar none was far better than any tank the Germans could field. The issue with the T-34 was due to poor crew or bad build quality (nothing to do with the design, but bad quality control)
I'm not really getting into the grognard argument over which tanks were superior to other tanks and which points in the war. The Russian's had problems with their production and crews which made the their tanks preform poorly despite their design. The German tanks preformed better due to their well trained, which helped make up for their outdated design. These are facts that took place during the war and are represented in CoH2 gameplay, which is what I am really interested in.
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On April 25 2013 08:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 06:50 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2013 06:16 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 04:51 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 04:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On April 25 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 03:16 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 02:07 Plansix wrote:On April 23 2013 21:27 Mannerheim wrote:On April 23 2013 21:06 Cedstick wrote:
I haven't read-up on this game at all, and was just going to learn it all the painful way: when I eventually bought it after release. My friend who I played CoH with got me a beta key, though, so I'll be installing when I get home and likely playing tomorrow. How is it so far, guys? Anywhere you recommend I can start reading-up on it before jumping in? This game is quite different from CoH1 in terms of pacing. Matches are overall faster, you lose shit faster (losing an entire infantry squad to one mortal shell is not at all uncommon) and have less margin for error. Balance is a bit flaky at the moment, early game slightly favors Soviets while the late game massively favors the Germans. The cold mechanic splits opinions, I think they should remove the freezing deaths, so blizzards would only slow down infantry and limit visibility. Its good to know that the squads aren't damage sponges like their where in CoH1. What about tanks and anti armor? My biggest problem with tanks in CoH1 was that tanks took really random damage and anti tank weapons where not reliable at all. Has that changed and can you get anti tank weapons earlier in the game? Also, did they remove the awesome part where one of your squad members would move out of cover for not reason and cause the entire squad to be suppressed? all i have to say is good luck dealing with german armor Your bumming me out. But it is Beta, so I guess that might be ok if they pull it in a bit. I might have to check this out since I loved the other game so much. German armor isn't any worse than the previous game. More so because German doesn't buy vet anymore than anything else. The americans at least had bazookas (where russians have crappy at guns that die in one hit from a tiger and guards rifles that are good for pinging it), and the russian heavy armor option is more expensive than the tiger (which is further silly due to the opel blitz truck with the same general that gives free fuel and munitions). Sure you can ram the tanks with t34s, but that destroys your gun and immobilizes your tank and gives a engine damage + crew stunned on a tiger. Thats assuming it somehow gets past the fifty thousand panzergrenadiers with heatseeking panzerschreks. im not even talking about how the stugs are superior to all russian armor alone, let alone the panzeriv, the panther, elefant... every soviet game i've won has been due to sending enough t34s to ram enemy tanks and hope to disable them long enough to have victory points count down. soviet flametrack is pretty op too tho, although the sheer amount of panzershrecks available wastes them pretty quickly. Sounds historically accurate, or a least authentic. Russian tanks were used to ram German tanks and often did not have optics or other critical equipment. There was no single Russian tank that was better than most German tanks, they were easier to build and repair. I would be willing to bet that the T-34 repairs faster that any German tank. That's a load of horse crap. The T-34 was a superior tank to everything the Germans could field until late in 1942, and even then Panthers, P4's with improved guns, and Tigers were not fielded in significant numbers. In 1941, the T-34 was bar none was far better than any tank the Germans could field. The issue with the T-34 was due to poor crew or bad build quality (nothing to do with the design, but bad quality control) I'm not really getting into the grognard argument over which tanks were superior to other tanks and which points in the war. The Russian's had problems with their production and crews which made the their tanks preform poorly despite their design. The German tanks preformed better due to their well trained, which helped make up for their outdated design. These are facts that took place during the war and are represented in CoH2 gameplay, which is what I am really interested in.
I'm sorry man, you really can't make a "historically accurate" comment and then dismiss that stuff as "grognard" when you get called out for being wrong.
T34s did not perform poorly at all. They had their faults, but they were formidable enough to precipitate major upgrades to the German armour. They also remained a major threat (for much more than just ramming) right up until 1945. That's not well represented in the game right now.
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It's an RTS with WWII skins.
Seriously, "historically accurate" would be something more like the Close Combat series, not the Company of Heroes series...
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Whether it's historically accurate or not, it's also pretty poorly balanced. I'm happy to set aside realism for the sake of good gameplay, but in terms of late-game armour balance, history is actually doing a better job than relic atm.
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On April 25 2013 10:45 Belisarius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 08:16 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 06:50 superstartran wrote:On April 25 2013 06:16 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 04:51 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 04:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On April 25 2013 04:10 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 03:16 Caller wrote:On April 25 2013 02:07 Plansix wrote:On April 23 2013 21:27 Mannerheim wrote:
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This game is quite different from CoH1 in terms of pacing. Matches are overall faster, you lose shit faster (losing an entire infantry squad to one mortal shell is not at all uncommon) and have less margin for error. Balance is a bit flaky at the moment, early game slightly favors Soviets while the late game massively favors the Germans. The cold mechanic splits opinions, I think they should remove the freezing deaths, so blizzards would only slow down infantry and limit visibility. Its good to know that the squads aren't damage sponges like their where in CoH1. What about tanks and anti armor? My biggest problem with tanks in CoH1 was that tanks took really random damage and anti tank weapons where not reliable at all. Has that changed and can you get anti tank weapons earlier in the game? Also, did they remove the awesome part where one of your squad members would move out of cover for not reason and cause the entire squad to be suppressed? all i have to say is good luck dealing with german armor Your bumming me out. But it is Beta, so I guess that might be ok if they pull it in a bit. I might have to check this out since I loved the other game so much. German armor isn't any worse than the previous game. More so because German doesn't buy vet anymore than anything else. The americans at least had bazookas (where russians have crappy at guns that die in one hit from a tiger and guards rifles that are good for pinging it), and the russian heavy armor option is more expensive than the tiger (which is further silly due to the opel blitz truck with the same general that gives free fuel and munitions). Sure you can ram the tanks with t34s, but that destroys your gun and immobilizes your tank and gives a engine damage + crew stunned on a tiger. Thats assuming it somehow gets past the fifty thousand panzergrenadiers with heatseeking panzerschreks. im not even talking about how the stugs are superior to all russian armor alone, let alone the panzeriv, the panther, elefant... every soviet game i've won has been due to sending enough t34s to ram enemy tanks and hope to disable them long enough to have victory points count down. soviet flametrack is pretty op too tho, although the sheer amount of panzershrecks available wastes them pretty quickly. Sounds historically accurate, or a least authentic. Russian tanks were used to ram German tanks and often did not have optics or other critical equipment. There was no single Russian tank that was better than most German tanks, they were easier to build and repair. I would be willing to bet that the T-34 repairs faster that any German tank. That's a load of horse crap. The T-34 was a superior tank to everything the Germans could field until late in 1942, and even then Panthers, P4's with improved guns, and Tigers were not fielded in significant numbers. In 1941, the T-34 was bar none was far better than any tank the Germans could field. The issue with the T-34 was due to poor crew or bad build quality (nothing to do with the design, but bad quality control) I'm not really getting into the grognard argument over which tanks were superior to other tanks and which points in the war. The Russian's had problems with their production and crews which made the their tanks preform poorly despite their design. The German tanks preformed better due to their well trained, which helped make up for their outdated design. These are facts that took place during the war and are represented in CoH2 gameplay, which is what I am really interested in. I'm sorry man, you really can't make a "historically accurate" comment and then dismiss that stuff as "grognard" when you get called out for being wrong. T34s did not perform poorly at all. They had their faults, but they were formidable enough to precipitate major upgrades to the German armour. They also remained a major threat (for much more than just ramming) right up until 1945. That's not well represented in the game right now.
Sorry about that, I played a lot of WWII table top games and you can get some real German army grognards in that group who will debate the design of a tank until you ears bleed. I should have articulated my point better. What I meant to say was in general, the average T-34 in the field in WWII normally had production flaws and less skilled crew, so in general they had disadvantages against the well trained German army. The T-34 was a better designed tank at the time, but as you stated, the Russian production has a number of holes and supply problems. Hell, in Stalingrad, they would roll them out of the factory without sights and just tell the crew to aim with the barrel.
But back to the topic at hand. How do man operated anti tank guns fair against German armor? Tanks vs tanks is neat to watch, but I always had better luck with anti-tank guns in CoH1. Are they still awesome or do they just get messed up by infantry before they ever get a shot off.
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It feels like everyone and their mother plays germany, it's impossible to get a game as german (1v1). I'm getting tired of winning as soviet!
EDIT: here's basic opening BO for players struggling as soviets:
3x constripts
molotov [+ hospital at some point]
support building
2x mortars if wehr inf/support heavy (some wehr goes crazy with like 3-4 grens and some support wpns), 1x mortar/1x fieldgun otherwise
1x fieldgun/maxim, depending on wehr composition
Shock commander for SMG upgrade on conscripts makes them stand pretty much toe-to-toe to wehr inf
you now have tons of fuel to transition to tanks
Proper mortar usage is incredibly powerful against the more defensive germans
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i used to do that, now i do
combat eng
maxim
maxim
mortar OR at gun
maxim OR at gun
horde manpower at this point and get ready to transition to tanks
seriously maxims cost the same as conscripts for the same 6 men + a machine gun that you can literally walk up to an mg42 and take. I also like to throw a conscript or two in there to steal german equipment whenever i can. I stole a stug once, i was so happy~
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