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[wc3] 4K^ToD interview + Replay pack - Page 2
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On October 22 2005 22:13 Sadist wrote: war3 nostalgia rofl ;\ Well the game IS getting semi old  | ||
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exkgb
United States504 Posts
On October 22 2005 21:40 NeoIllusions wrote: ToD's capable of other styles as well. Why don't you go hating on UD too while you're at it for going destroyers in three out of the four matchups. In certain situations, players do whatever it takes to win, regardless how "lame" the strat. A victory is a victory. Heh Orlandu, many of the SK players (and Korean players like DayFly and Swain) are only shadows of their former selves. FroG hasn't played to his utmost ability since coming back from Korea, sad to say. I still hope for good games from it. FroG vS ToD is probably going to be the closest game in the first round. I give 60:40 odds in favor of ToD. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
If you haven't checked out the VOD of ElakeDuck vS GoStop, I would suggest you do so. On a typical day, I, as well as most other people, would pick GoStop over Duck, but in that one game Duck did play better than GoStop. It has nothing to do with imbalance. And at high level play, you rarely see wyv/bats vS dests, two beast air unit isn't that viable. Grunt, raider, dual hero is a more solid choice. | ||
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
On October 22 2005 21:40 NeoIllusions wrote: Heh Orlandu, many of the SK players (and Korean players like DayFly and Swain) are only shadows of their former selves. FroG hasn't played to his utmost ability since coming back from Korea, sad to say. I still hope for good games from it. FroG vS ToD is probably going to be the closest game in the first round. I give 60:40 odds in favor of ToD. That's true, which is why I think it would be very nice for Frog to win. Realistically though, I don't see ToD losing. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5461 Posts
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exkgb
United States504 Posts
 he did the TOD thing and made 2 billion towers every game and its impossible to stop it. I encounter this kinda BS on ladder all the time and it just takes the fun out of the game, HU towers are bugged, they are not like cannons/sunkens in SC where units can overrun them, towers attack super fast are extremely cost effective for dmg/price. HU towers are also medium armour which means you can't siege them out. This is why noob players on lorderon like Plomoh can get to level 40+ by doing nothing but mass tower invis mortar strat every game which require no micro whatsoever | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5461 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17756 Posts
On October 23 2005 14:52 exkgb wrote: imbalance??? go watch the incup replay of FoV vs TMH.Storm he did the TOD thing and made 2 billion towers every game and its impossible to stop it. I encounter this kinda BS on ladder all the time and it just takes the fun out of the game, HU towers are bugged, they are not like cannons/sunkens in SC where units can overrun them, towers attack super fast are extremely cost effective for dmg/price. HU towers are also medium armour which means you can't siege them out. This is why noob players on lorderon like Plomoh can get to level 40+ by doing nothing but mass tower invis mortar strat every game which require no micro whatsoeverHU towers have heavy armour, not medium (which doesn't change the fact that siege doesn't work well vs them). And I know which games you speak of. When I watched it I just wanted to cry and I pitied FoV a lot (I'm UD player myself so I know how you feel when you meet mass towers -> air or tanks, it's like no matter what you'll do you can't win). FoV was superior in everything this games: micro, harrasement (killing off 14 peasants while losing only 2 ghouls during HU's fe try on LT is quite an achievement imo), creativity etc. etc. He owned him in every single battle until he just couldn't keep up with the huge economic advantage Storm had and that Storm's defences were unpenetrable while FoV didn't even make any zigs at his exps (useless due to dhawks anyway). Things like that suck a lot :/ | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5461 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17756 Posts
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SoleSteeler
Canada5461 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17756 Posts
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exkgb
United States504 Posts
1, Fiend necro+wagon timing rush, fiends works better vs towers and air, this strat works if he has around 4-5 towers at his expo or 1-2 towers at his main, anything more than that, it gets raped. Main problem is that the HU can call millitia from the main to help and once there are too many towers, its just rapes all the skeles since they attack so fast. 2, Fiend + Wagon statue sieging, I've used this successfully vs Plomoh many times and won, but vs bettr HU players who bother to expand and mass more towers and air, it doesn't work as well, Wagons are just too fragile and slow and they get raped easy. 3, Fast destro, This seems to be what some koreans did a couple month back, I think Lucifer successfully used it vs TOD, again the success of this strat dependds on the amount of towers he build in his expo and main, 3-4 is ok, but most good HU mass like 8-10 and destros get raped. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5461 Posts
i bet it'd work in some situations | ||
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SunShine
Netherlands787 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17756 Posts
1. Dropping 2 wagons and 4 necros deep in his main with zep (wagons with exhume ofc) while simultanousely attacking his exp with heroes and ghouls or fiends to soak up tower hits and 3+ goblin sappers 2. DR or Lich first + dual crypt ghouls and go own his main 3. CL + fiends + beetles + skelly wand -> tower rush (just like with orc) but this wouldn't work I guess 4. On tavern maps: ghoul/garg/wagon with dark ranger second or third (silence stops aerial shackles) I didn't get to test this strats yet because whenever I play as UD I only get orc, ne or random oponents (random ones usually leave at start or play as ne). Anyway I wouldn't fear to try some "do or die" strats since playing as UD vs HU is usually "die" strat that you're using some standard things. | ||
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