EPTNBA Regular Season 2011-2012 - Page 96
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
it would be stupid for the hornets to chase assests and allow them to walk away, specifically the most important assest in the trade. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Griffin gets the lion's share of the headlines and attention, but the simple fact is that right now Love is the better player. Love's offensive game is far more advanced than Griffin's and his prowess from behind the arc makes him a more versatile threat, as well as the Timberwolves' No. 1 option to take the last shot. Right now Griffin is no more than the Clippers' fourth option to take the final shot for the win. Love is an anomaly. There simply hasn't been a player like him. Last season he was the first player in NBA history to average 15 rebounds and shoot 41 percent from the 3-point arc. This season he's on pace to become the first player since Hakeem Olajuwon in 1990 to average 24 points and 14 rebounds. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
He was the same guy that said Kevin Love is the best Power Forward in the NBA when I think it's been painfully clear that it's Bosh this year, with Lamarcus Aldridge at #2. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
I agree that Bosh and Lamarcus are the two premier PF right now, and I never thought I'd put Bosh's name down for that. I'm still under the impression that Z-Bo is better than Griffin and Love as well. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Bosh was one of the top PFs in the league, probably even top 3 but people don't pay attention to his defense. When it comes to casual fans and sportswriters (especially some at ESPN, god they are terrible at times) you're either Kevin Garnett level or Amar'e level. | ||
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VENDIZ
1575 Posts
On January 27 2012 09:45 Ace wrote: Both of them are terrible defenders, and Blake Griffin might be even worse. I think Love is the better play but, and I'm sure Chris Palmer wrote that nonsense - who gives a shit about who takes the final shot on their team? That doesn't tell us anything about their ability to play the game. He was the same guy that said Kevin Love is the best Power Forward in the NBA when I think it's been painfully clear that it's Bosh this year, with Lamarcus Aldridge at #2. It's easy for people to pick the spearhead of a team. Bosh sort of drowns when both Wade & LBJ plays, even though he's putting up good numbers and is a really efficient scorer.. When you look at Timberwolves they've got one guy who's got every stat bolded and underlined - and they're winning a lot more than the year before.. .. also I find Bosh' play to be unorthodox for PF (but that's just me, I guess, I'm weird that way).. so I rarely think of him as a PF - in fact I tend to forget him when talking about the best PFs in the league (even though he clearly is one of them) | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On January 27 2012 10:05 Ace wrote: (especially some at ESPN, god they are terrible all the time) fixed for you griffin isn't as long as you expect (his wingspan isn't that great AFAIK) which hurts his potential on defense. the same applies for love except love is nowhere near as athletic as griffin. i think griffin can become an above average defender in the future if he applies himself and works hard to improve on D, but i don't think he'll ever be elite on D. top PFs in the game right now are love, lamarcus, griffin and bosh, in no particular order. it's difficult to rank these guys because they all have their strengths and weaknesses. amare would be in this discussion if he wasn't playing next to black hole melo all the time. | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On January 27 2012 04:32 Ace wrote: They'd trade Danny Granger and move Paul George to the 3. EJ gets injured... a lot. he's an awesome two-way player, and i'd love him back in indy, but i dunno.... it'd be better if we didn't have to trade for him and just signed him outright. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On January 27 2012 10:41 zeehar wrote: fixed for you griffin isn't as long as you expect (his wingspan isn't that great AFAIK) which hurts his potential on defense. the same applies for love except love is nowhere near as athletic as griffin. i think griffin can become an above average defender in the future if he applies himself and works hard to improve on D, but i don't think he'll ever be elite on D. top PFs in the game right now are love, lamarcus, griffin and bosh, in no particular order. it's difficult to rank these guys because they all have their strengths and weaknesses. amare would be in this discussion if he wasn't playing next to black hole melo all the time. That's exactly right! Blake is actually freakishly UN-Long (giggity.) His awful defensive instincts combined with his inability to block shots and disrupt passing lanes in the interior makes him the worst defensive starter in basketball!!! That's a bit of an exaggeration, since Steve Nash is still a starter. But he is really bad. Top PFs: 1. Chris Bosh 2. Kevin Love 3. LaMarcus Aldridge 4. Is Pau Gasol a power forward? 5. Z-Bo/Blake Griffin 6. Josh Smith??? | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On January 27 2012 11:53 slyboogie wrote: That's exactly right! Blake is actually freakishly UN-Long (giggity.) His awful defensive instincts combined with his inability to block shots and disrupt passing lanes in the interior makes him the worst defensive starter in basketball!!! That's a bit of an exaggeration, since Steve Nash is still a starter. But he is really bad. Top PFs: 1. Chris Bosh 2. Kevin Love 3. LaMarcus Aldridge 4. Is Pau Gasol a power forward? 5. Z-Bo/Blake Griffin 6. Josh Smith??? Isn't Dirk technically a PF too? I should have prefaced this with, "I DON'T WATCH A LOT OF DALLAS MAVERICKS BASKETBALL"... | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16128 Posts
On January 27 2012 11:53 slyboogie wrote: That's exactly right! Blake is actually freakishly UN-Long (giggity.) His awful defensive instincts combined with his inability to block shots and disrupt passing lanes in the interior makes him the worst defensive starter in basketball!!! That's a bit of an exaggeration, since Steve Nash is still a starter. But he is really bad. Top PFs: 1. Chris Bosh 2. Kevin Love 3. LaMarcus Aldridge 4. Is Pau Gasol a power forward? 5. Z-Bo/Blake Griffin 6. Josh Smith??? Yes Pau Gasol's preferred position/starting position is Power Forward. Also, LOL Orlando. Way to give up a 27 point lead after only scoring 56 points in Boston earlier this week. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
millsap has been having a better year than everyone, period. also great win by boston | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
have you guys seen this? its edited but still funny lol | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 27 2012 12:52 Holcan wrote: no clue how dirk, amare, millsap and scola are left out of these top pf discussions. millsap has been having a better year than everyone, period. also great win by boston Dirk yes, those other 3, no chance. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
Millsap is shooting .548 from the field, as the primary option, Blake is scoring .518. FT% is 70% to 60% in favor of Millsap. TS % is .583 for Millsap, and .529 for Griffin. When comparing the next stats I'll be using PER36 as Millsap plays less minutes than Blake per game, by about 5. The rebounding rate is in favor of Griffin, at 11.4 PER36, compared to Millsaps 10.2, however they are about equal at OR, with Millsap and Blake both averaging 3.4 and 3.5 respectively. It is defensive rebounding where Blake is more efficient, and where he beats Millsap is one more board PER36. (7.7 for Blake, 6.6 for Millsap). For assist to turnover ratio, well, Millsap has more assists than turnovers, Griffin does not. Defensive statistics show that Millsap has 1.9 steals PER36, and 0.8 blocks Per36, Griffin has .9 steals PER36, and .5 blocks PER36. Without using the eye test, which will show anyone that Millsap is a better defender than Griffin, we see proof on paper that Millsap is better. If Griffin is potentially a top tier PF, Millsap IS a top tier PF. Certainly through the first 16 games of this season. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On January 27 2012 15:34 MassHysteria wrote: nah man, griffin dunks better yo. And on National TV ! | ||
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