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When comparing players, especially of different eras you need to adjust for pace, and even then quality of defenses favors later generations. That said Lebron still wouldn't be close to MJ but he still stacks up better than just about anyone.
On December 02 2011 08:05 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 07:31 BlueRoyaL wrote:On December 02 2011 07:11 Zorkmid wrote:On December 02 2011 07:01 VENDIZ wrote:
Honestly, I don't see why Miami would rotate all that much with their roster for the upcoming season.. They made it to the finals with 6-7 players (put bluntly, but you get what I mean).. And if Haslem can stay free of injury for the entire season I think he'll do wonders for the Heat overall (atleast if he plays as nicely with the team as he did in the Heat vs. Bulls series) I was joking a bit, although I'm not a fan of Bosh's game, or Bosh. I agree with you, they shouldn't do anything at all, they're a very strong team. So I just heard on the radio that Chris Paul has demanded a trade to the Knicks. Does this make them contenders for the east crown? I think it might. yeah i think it would make them contenders, but i still give the edge to heats and bulls. im wondering how much better the knicks woulda done last playoffs vs celtics w/ cp3 - surely its gotta be better than 0-4. On December 02 2011 07:14 manloveman wrote:
All i wonna know from this thread is:
Is lebron better than jordan? who's jordan? :D I would not say the Knicks with CP3 would rise to Heat levels simply because I am not a believer in any of the players in that "Big 3". Amare<Bosh, Melo<Lebron, CP3<Wade. The Knicks only legitimate argument is that their team would have more "synergy", but I am highly skeptical of any team with Amare+Melo having synergy and I am, as always, skeptical of investing heavily in the PG position.
Unfortunately basketball doesn't work like that 
Wade+Lebron+Bosh is still a much better combination than Amar'e+Melo+CP3 though. The Miami trio is much more flexible and better on both sides of the ball. Chris Paul does help NY tremendously but Melo and Amar'e just aren't elite enough at other things to offset what Miami's 2 best players can do.
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On December 02 2011 09:36 Ace wrote:When comparing players, especially of different eras you need to adjust for pace, and even then quality of defenses favors later generations. That said Lebron still wouldn't be close to MJ but he still stacks up better than just about anyone. Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 08:05 cLutZ wrote:On December 02 2011 07:31 BlueRoyaL wrote:On December 02 2011 07:11 Zorkmid wrote:On December 02 2011 07:01 VENDIZ wrote:
Honestly, I don't see why Miami would rotate all that much with their roster for the upcoming season.. They made it to the finals with 6-7 players (put bluntly, but you get what I mean).. And if Haslem can stay free of injury for the entire season I think he'll do wonders for the Heat overall (atleast if he plays as nicely with the team as he did in the Heat vs. Bulls series) I was joking a bit, although I'm not a fan of Bosh's game, or Bosh. I agree with you, they shouldn't do anything at all, they're a very strong team. So I just heard on the radio that Chris Paul has demanded a trade to the Knicks. Does this make them contenders for the east crown? I think it might. yeah i think it would make them contenders, but i still give the edge to heats and bulls. im wondering how much better the knicks woulda done last playoffs vs celtics w/ cp3 - surely its gotta be better than 0-4. On December 02 2011 07:14 manloveman wrote:
All i wonna know from this thread is:
Is lebron better than jordan? who's jordan? :D I would not say the Knicks with CP3 would rise to Heat levels simply because I am not a believer in any of the players in that "Big 3". Amare<Bosh, Melo<Lebron, CP3<Wade. The Knicks only legitimate argument is that their team would have more "synergy", but I am highly skeptical of any team with Amare+Melo having synergy and I am, as always, skeptical of investing heavily in the PG position. Unfortunately basketball doesn't work like that Wade+Lebron+Bosh is still a much better combination than Amar'e+Melo+CP3 though. The Miami trio is much more flexible and better on both sides of the ball. Chris Paul does help NY tremendously but Melo and Amar'e just aren't elite enough at other things to offset what Miami's 2 best players can do.
I'm confused what you disagree with?
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I disagreed with saying Lebron > Melo, Bosh>Amar'e, and Wade > CP3 because comparing players that way doesn't work since it's not going to be a bunch of 1 on 1s all day. I agree that yes, individually it is true but it's not like a team with Chris Paul won't be abusing Pick n Rolls all day anyway. You might as well be asking how does Chris Bosh defend the PnR ballhandler in iso.
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On December 02 2011 09:51 Ace wrote:
I disagreed with saying Lebron > Melo, Bosh>Amar'e, and Wade > CP3 because comparing players that way doesn't work since it's not going to be a bunch of 1 on 1s all day. I agree that yes, individually it is true but it's not like a team with Chris Paul won't be abusing Pick n Rolls all day anyway. You might as well be asking how does Chris Bosh defend the PnR ballhandler in iso.
Fairly well considering his job on Boozer in the playoffs (or Boozer played just terribly, which is also possible).
edit. ^^= Misunderstanding
I was just generally comparing and stating my skepticism of the NY Knickerbockers.
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Actually yes, Bosh was ranked very high defensively from some chart I saw last year about help defenders. In 1 on 1 situations him and Dirk were tied for first in defending opposing PFs.
I was just generally comparing and stating my skepticism of the NY Knickerbockers
100% agreed. The most overrated team in sports. I live in NY and you'd swear the team won 30 championships the way they are revered. I thought Laker fans felt entitled to everything. Chris Paul is my second fav player but I'm not sure I could root for them winning. Such an awful franchise.
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On December 02 2011 09:56 Ace wrote:Actually yes, Bosh was ranked very high defensively from some chart I saw last year about help defenders. In 1 on 1 situations him and Dirk were tied for first in defending opposing PFs. Show nested quote +
I was just generally comparing and stating my skepticism of the NY Knickerbockers
100% agreed. The most overrated team in sports. I live in NY and you'd swear the team won 30 championships the way they are revered. I thought Laker fans felt entitled to everything. Chris Paul is my second fav player but I'm not sure I could root for them winning. Such an awful franchise.
How do New Yorkers actually feel about the Nets moving to Brooklyn? You think you could root for them?
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On December 02 2011 09:56 Ace wrote:Actually yes, Bosh was ranked very high defensively from some chart I saw last year about help defenders. In 1 on 1 situations him and Dirk were tied for first in defending opposing PFs. Show nested quote +
I was just generally comparing and stating my skepticism of the NY Knickerbockers
100% agreed. The most overrated team in sports. I live in NY and you'd swear the team won 30 championships the way they are revered. I thought Laker fans felt entitled to everything. Chris Paul is my second fav player but I'm not sure I could root for them winning. Such an awful franchise.
I need a new West Coast Team to root for now that Tim Duncan is no longer fun.
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On December 02 2011 10:01 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 09:56 Ace wrote:Actually yes, Bosh was ranked very high defensively from some chart I saw last year about help defenders. In 1 on 1 situations him and Dirk were tied for first in defending opposing PFs.
I was just generally comparing and stating my skepticism of the NY Knickerbockers
100% agreed. The most overrated team in sports. I live in NY and you'd swear the team won 30 championships the way they are revered. I thought Laker fans felt entitled to everything. Chris Paul is my second fav player but I'm not sure I could root for them winning. Such an awful franchise. How do New Yorkers actually feel about the Nets moving to Brooklyn? You think you could root for them?
Well since I live in Brooklyn - yes. People do seem genuinely excited about the Nets showing up. Billionare owner + Jay-Z = people thinking you can compete with the Knicks.
As an aside though I don't generally root for teams, more so the players that play on them.
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On December 02 2011 10:01 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 09:56 Ace wrote:Actually yes, Bosh was ranked very high defensively from some chart I saw last year about help defenders. In 1 on 1 situations him and Dirk were tied for first in defending opposing PFs.
I was just generally comparing and stating my skepticism of the NY Knickerbockers
100% agreed. The most overrated team in sports. I live in NY and you'd swear the team won 30 championships the way they are revered. I thought Laker fans felt entitled to everything. Chris Paul is my second fav player but I'm not sure I could root for them winning. Such an awful franchise. I need a new West Coast Team to root for now that Tim Duncan is no longer fun.
Rockets
Well managed, lot of underrated guys, not bandwagon-ish, and if they snag a great player they have the foundation to go somewhere.
Or you could root for the grizzlies, but I think their stock is overvalued right now.
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On December 02 2011 10:18 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 10:01 cLutZ wrote:On December 02 2011 09:56 Ace wrote:Actually yes, Bosh was ranked very high defensively from some chart I saw last year about help defenders. In 1 on 1 situations him and Dirk were tied for first in defending opposing PFs.
I was just generally comparing and stating my skepticism of the NY Knickerbockers
100% agreed. The most overrated team in sports. I live in NY and you'd swear the team won 30 championships the way they are revered. I thought Laker fans felt entitled to everything. Chris Paul is my second fav player but I'm not sure I could root for them winning. Such an awful franchise. I need a new West Coast Team to root for now that Tim Duncan is no longer fun. Rockets Well managed, lot of underrated guys, not bandwagon-ish, and if they snag a great player they have the foundation to go somewhere. Or you could root for the grizzlies, but I think their stock is overvalued right now.
Are the rockets players for Nene or Baby Gasol you think?
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On December 02 2011 09:56 Ace wrote:Actually yes, Bosh was ranked very high defensively from some chart I saw last year about help defenders. In 1 on 1 situations him and Dirk were tied for first in defending opposing PFs. Show nested quote +
I was just generally comparing and stating my skepticism of the NY Knickerbockers
100% agreed. The most overrated team in sports. I live in NY and you'd swear the team won 30 championships the way they are revered. I thought Laker fans felt entitled to everything. Chris Paul is my second fav player but I'm not sure I could root for them winning. Such an awful franchise.
Oh, you should talk to a Liverpool fan then ;D
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+ The cavs had rubbish management. Overpaying Moe Williams, etc. Its was like their front office was being run by Daniel Snyder, except you couldn't cut the players. You can win as the only superstar as long as management doesn't sign terrible contracts (See my boy Timmy D). Surround a superstar with quality players and a bargain price and you have a team (superstars are always a bargain anyways).
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On December 02 2011 10:18 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 10:01 cLutZ wrote:On December 02 2011 09:56 Ace wrote:Actually yes, Bosh was ranked very high defensively from some chart I saw last year about help defenders. In 1 on 1 situations him and Dirk were tied for first in defending opposing PFs.
I was just generally comparing and stating my skepticism of the NY Knickerbockers
100% agreed. The most overrated team in sports. I live in NY and you'd swear the team won 30 championships the way they are revered. I thought Laker fans felt entitled to everything. Chris Paul is my second fav player but I'm not sure I could root for them winning. Such an awful franchise. I need a new West Coast Team to root for now that Tim Duncan is no longer fun. Rockets Well managed, lot of underrated guys, not bandwagon-ish, and if they snag a great player they have the foundation to go somewhere. Or you could root for the grizzlies, but I think their stock is overvalued right now.
this, although tim duncan is still fun on defense
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On December 02 2011 09:56 Ace wrote:
I live in NY and you'd swear the team won 30 championships the way they are revered. Such an awful franchise.
' Isaiah's mah BFF now'
'Glen Sather must be doing SOMETHING right on Broadway'
Dolan will never give them up because they're still $$$ franchises and I can never root for them..
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OKC is a fun team to cheer for /watch
They are my team to cheer for because the Bucks (hometown) usually stink
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Wha? It's the fan and media's fault players are teaming up to win chips? Puhlease. LeBron didn't give two stuffs what the media and fans thought of his legacy up to that point. He wanted to win and thought the Miami setup would give him that best opportunity. I'm sure he cares about his legacy, but to say the (very, VERY fickle) media and fans have anything to do with that is absurd.
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8pm/et: ORL/OKC on ESPN,
10:30pm/et: LAC/GSW on ESPN
added to Christmas day schedule!
5 games! all day basketball! yay
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Can someone explain why 'sota are not going to amnesty darko? :'(
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