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nemY
United States3119 Posts
1) Who's the best PG in the game right now? 2) Who's the best TRUE PG in the game right now? And just for funsies, which of the young 21 and under PGs has the most potential to develop into the top PG in the game in the future? Side note: Go Dubs! Beat LA! (I can't root for them to tank vs the Lakers, b/c fuck you LA). | ||
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ecstatica
United States542 Posts
You can call it coincidence but no other PG would fit better with Celtics. Put Rose or Wesbrook there and you have disfunctional offence. No one is selfless enough to distribute between KG ,Pierce, Ray and a big man without hurting some aspect of that chemistry. All shooters with huge egos. No one but Rondo. In my eyes Rondo is the best true PG. The numbers he puts up are ridiculous. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On April 02 2012 09:14 nemY wrote: Two questions to pose: 1) Who's the best PG in the game right now? 2) Who's the best TRUE PG in the game right now? And just for funsies, which of the young 21 and under PGs has the most potential to develop into the top PG in the game in the future? Side note: Go Dubs! Beat LA! (I can't root for them to tank vs the Lakers, b/c fuck you LA). 21? I don't think there are many out there. Rubio, I guess. I think Kyrie Irving and Wall are both 21. Tyreke Evans just turned 22. So, I guess it goes: Irving/Wall/Rubio/Evans And Eric Bledsoe!! | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
its interesting you bring up the question of a true PG because then it brings into question the players abilities to facilitate ballmovement and offense. A lot of the top PGs in the league are considered among the best because of their scoring ability. It wasn't such an easy choice to put cp3 above rondo, for me it simply came down to the fact that rondo is still not a great shooter. Both have really good court vision, makes good passes, and can find the right guy for the bucket. Assists as a stat is a little tricky because it not only involves the PG finding an open person but also requires that the person make it. So maybe back in NO, cp3 would have had a disadvantage finding players that can score compared to Boston's big3, but now that he's in LAC i think the distinctions have been leveled a bit more. The fact that cp3 still put up amazing assist numbers leads me to believe that he's an all around better pure pg. rondo does have some sick ass handles though :D | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
Just look at his usage% versus his turnover% then compare that to a real top line point like Chris Paul or Deron Williams. He has more athletic gifts but takes fewer free throws, converts them at a lower clip, can't play in the corner....I mean. Come on, he's pretty limited. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On April 02 2012 10:38 BlueRoyaL wrote: yeah i would have to agree with chris paul. its interesting you bring up the question of a true PG because then it brings into question the players abilities to facilitate ballmovement and offense. A lot of the top PGs in the league are considered among the best because of their scoring ability. It wasn't such an easy choice to put cp3 above rondo, for me it simply came down to the fact that rondo is still not a great shooter. Both have really good court vision, makes good passes, and can find the right guy for the bucket. Assists as a stat is a little tricky because it not only involves the PG finding an open person but also requires that the person make it. So maybe back in NO, cp3 would have had a disadvantage finding players that can score compared to Boston's big3, but now that he's in LAC i think the distinctions have been leveled a bit more. The fact that cp3 still put up amazing assist numbers leads me to believe that he's an all around better pure pg. rondo does have some sick ass handles though :D when he played in NO he lead the league in assists, and he's actually dropped after he went to the clips. i think cp3 is 1st/2nd team all-nba but i don't really like the argument that so and so player has better team mates and therefore SHOULD have more assists. nash is averaging the same amount of assists as he had when amare/marion/barbossa were on his team and calderon is averaging 9 assists with well... the raptors. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On April 02 2012 10:51 BlueRoyaL wrote: he rebounds? :D okay yeah, he is pretty tall so maybe that's not a fair comment. No, I mean, that's a fair point. He's only 6'1'' but long and basketball smart, so he rebounds well. And to be fair, he can't convert defensive rebounds into very very easy points because of his running mates, that may deflate his numbers. I just don't think he can be in the conversation for best point guard. | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On April 02 2012 10:52 shawster wrote: when he played in NO he lead the league in assists, and he's actually dropped after he went to the clips. i think cp3 is 1st/2nd team all-nba but i don't really like the argument that so and so player has better team mates and therefore SHOULD have more assists. nash is averaging the same amount of assists as he had when amare/marion/barbossa were on his team and calderon is averaging 9 assists with well... the raptors. yeah i know what you're saying and i agree - good pgs will be able to get a good number of assists cuz they'll be able to find the right players (eg. players that can score). given the caliber all nba players are at, they should be able to score given ideal situations. so i guess PGs have the task of finding these ideal situations. i still think it matters though to a degree. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
On April 02 2012 11:03 Vindicare605 wrote: Kobe's making sure he doesn't have a repeat of last night. He's 5 of 8 in the first quarter. lol ye all good players have their horrible nights. but when he got the ball at the end with just a few left, i had this feeling he was gonna sink it. and he did :D | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
But Chris Paul is literally a perfect point guard. | ||
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ecstatica
United States542 Posts
This kid is selfless on the court but he possibly has the biggest ego. If he learns to stay motivated he will turn into a freaking beast. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
A taller Chris Paul would be better. How do you evaluate under 21 point guard potential? Are we talking pure athleticism (maybe wall), or skills, or iq (rubio?)? Are we saying if Wall magically develops tremendous ability, that he'd be the best? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On April 02 2012 11:33 igotmyown wrote: Steve Nash could run the Celtics offense. I don't know whether or not it would offset the drop in defense, after all Rondo destroyed the Lakers by 40 in 2008, and he was an out of bounds call from winning the title in 2010. And he's guarded Lebron, gets putbacks against centers, and other ridiculous things. A taller Chris Paul would be better. How do you evaluate under 21 point guard potential? Are we talking pure athleticism (maybe wall), or skills, or iq (rubio?)? Are we saying if Wall magically develops tremendous ability, that he'd be the best? I would say Wall has tremendous ability, but plays on Wizards. When your team is that dysfunctional, it's hard to be "good" consistently. Worse yet, he can't really develop. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
There's Rondo, Nash, Rose, Westbrook, Paul, Parker, Williams and then a whole bunch of decent starter level PGs. "Pure PG", is a pretty arbitrary term these days because some PGs work in certain systems better than others. Of the young guys Rubio, Irving and Steph Curry have a lot of potential. Wall is perpetually disappointing for me. | ||
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