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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 26 2012 02:55 GMT
#5401
Spo is one of the best coaches in the league.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
March 26 2012 03:20 GMT
#5402
On March 26 2012 11:55 Ace wrote:
Spo is one of the best coaches in the league.


how so? im not arguing against, im just really curious about his credentials.

my understanding of coaches and their influence on a team is very basic, if anyone would like to explain to me exactly what their significance is outside of drawing up plays and switching players thatd be cool.
WHAT'S HAPPENIN
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 03:34:05
March 26 2012 03:32 GMT
#5403
Well there's another aspect to coaching off the court but from a strictly basketball perspective:

He draws up a lot of really good offensive plays. He's not a major innovator like lets say, Rick Adelman but he does very well with what he has. Many people point to having Lebron James but Spo really proved his worth in 2009 and 2010. When Miami was tanking and Wade was pissed Spo had that shit team playing way above their level on both sides of the ball. When Miami lost to Boston 4-1 in 2010 not many people remember how close those games were and how awful Miami was outside of Wade. Point blank given the cast he had he over achieved.

Another major selling point is his defensive coaching is very good. Miami doesn't have a core of super rebounding bigs but they do have Lebron and Wade. One of the biggest differences since Lebron came is that Wade has to be a better rebounder due to not having anyone outside of Haslem (who's sketchy) dominate it at their position. So Miami gang rebounds a lot and normally this would leave you open to tip out rebounds (which happens against them often) and fast break destruction when you try to hog offensive boards. Somehow, Miami even when the ball is tipped out still gets back in great defensive position in a snap AND they don't get beaten down in transition on the other end.

There are also things like developing young players, how you run your practices, and how well you work your guys. Spo despite the criticism from armchair bloggers, has never as far as I know been bad mouthed by anyone that's ever been a part of the Heat organization or even the entire NBA. In his relatively few years of coaching I don't think I've ever seen him have a really disastrous stretch or lose his team.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13536 Posts
March 26 2012 03:38 GMT
#5404
Yeah, Spo's easily one of the better coaches.

It helps that he has two of the league's best players, but he still has to put the systems in place to give them the best opportunity to win--and I think he does a pretty good job of that.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 26 2012 03:42 GMT
#5405
On March 26 2012 12:20 BlueRoyaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 11:55 Ace wrote:
Spo is one of the best coaches in the league.


how so? im not arguing against, im just really curious about his credentials.

my understanding of coaches and their influence on a team is very basic, if anyone would like to explain to me exactly what their significance is outside of drawing up plays and switching players thatd be cool.


you make it sound so black and white. a coach's ability to draw up good plays with the roster they're given is the measure of their worth. and thats what spo's done, gone from a garbage heat team that still kept making playoffs, to a pretty good heat team that went all the way to finals.

compare that to someone like dantoni who has a complete inability to adapt to his roster, and the team's success suffers as a whole.
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parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 03:48:04
March 26 2012 03:47 GMT
#5406
On March 26 2012 11:40 scaban84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 11:34 parazice wrote:
XD OKC coach > Miami coach

Even Vinnie Del Negro is better than Slowstra. lol


hahaha imo Slowstra better than Vinnie(i am Bulls fan)
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16129 Posts
March 26 2012 03:51 GMT
#5407
On March 26 2012 11:55 Ace wrote:
Spo is one of the best coaches in the league.


It's easy to look like a terrific coach when you're coaching some of the best talent available.

IMO, Greg Popovich will be the best coach in the NBA until he retires or unless Phil Jackson comes back.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13536 Posts
March 26 2012 03:54 GMT
#5408
On March 26 2012 12:42 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 12:20 BlueRoyaL wrote:
On March 26 2012 11:55 Ace wrote:
Spo is one of the best coaches in the league.


how so? im not arguing against, im just really curious about his credentials.

my understanding of coaches and their influence on a team is very basic, if anyone would like to explain to me exactly what their significance is outside of drawing up plays and switching players thatd be cool.


you make it sound so black and white. a coach's ability to draw up good plays with the roster they're given is the measure of their worth. and thats what spo's done, gone from a garbage heat team that still kept making playoffs, to a pretty good heat team that went all the way to finals.

compare that to someone like dantoni who has a complete inability to adapt to his roster, and the team's success suffers as a whole.


Well, I don't think this is entirely fair on D'Antoni. Given the right players I think he's one of the better coaches in the NBA too. The Phoenix teams he coached were strong, highly entertaining teams for a number of years. He was never able to quite get over the Spurs/Lakers humps.

As positive a start as Woodson has had in NYC, I don't think there are any coaches that can salvage that situation. NYC is more a case of front office failure than coaching problems.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 03:58:45
March 26 2012 03:58 GMT
#5409
On March 26 2012 12:51 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2012 11:55 Ace wrote:
Spo is one of the best coaches in the league.


It's easy to look like a terrific coach when you're coaching some of the best talent available.


This is true, but Spo did pretty well with Miami pre Bosh/LeBron when he basically had Wade, Beasley and Haslem as his three best players.

He does have some pedigree.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
March 26 2012 04:02 GMT
#5410
Oh, so that's the reason Duncan didn't play. (Read Duncan's stat line lol)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=ArXBacF89Gr77wdGkqRs0VC8vLYF?gid=2012032524
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 26 2012 04:13 GMT
#5411
D'Antoni is a great coach. Seriously can't blame him for what went on in New York. When your bench is playing better than the starters, 2 of which are getting paid franchise money you are in a lose/lose situation.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
thuracine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States582 Posts
March 26 2012 04:16 GMT
#5412
Sessions was a great pick up for the Lakers can't wait for the playoffs to start.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13536 Posts
March 26 2012 04:17 GMT
#5413
Why did the Grizz sign Arenas again? -__-
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
scaban84
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1080 Posts
March 26 2012 04:20 GMT
#5414
Spo is a cheerleader coach. He doesn't even draw up plays most of the time. He just says "Crash the boards fellas, crash the boards." Last year their half court sets sucked, thats when they were calling for his replacement in Miami. It wasn't until they stopped with those half-court sets did the Heat start succeeding. That allowed Wade and James to "do their thing". Even Bosh said in an interview that his style of coaching is free'er and more hands-off. Can you honestly think of one game where Spo outcoached his opponent?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." — Friedrich von Hayek
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
March 26 2012 04:42 GMT
#5415
OJ MAYOOOO

T-T too bad Bulls did't get him
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-26 04:47:22
March 26 2012 04:46 GMT
#5416
The major problem with your statement is that Miami has always been one of the better half court teams in the league even before Lebron got there. Miami made it all the way to the Finals and lost by a total of 12 points. Who in their right mind is going to blame that on the coach? Miami very rarely makes major mistakes on big plays. When Spo draws up a game winning play does anyone ever remember it or give him credit? Of course not, because I'm actually discussing this myth of a guy being a bad coach who was a vid coordinator, stats guy and studied under Pat Riley and Stan Van Gundy.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13536 Posts
March 26 2012 04:47 GMT
#5417
Juice man delivers.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13536 Posts
March 26 2012 04:49 GMT
#5418
When you've got offensive players of Bosh/LeBron/Wade's caliber, you really don't need to give them too much instruction on offence. It's Miami's D that Spo should really get a lot of credit for. It's pretty brutal considering their internal protection really isn't that great.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
March 26 2012 04:51 GMT
#5419
--- Nuked ---
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
March 26 2012 04:54 GMT
#5420
fuck ya kobe, fuck that chair up good!.
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