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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20154 Posts
June 10 2005 04:27 GMT
#21
There was a program some people created that they used the algo for the card shuffling to predict exactly what each card was going to come up, and it worked. Read about it in SI.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
iNCuBuS_
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States905 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-06-10 05:36:00
June 10 2005 05:33 GMT
#22
( Lumberjack)

there is a good system with roulette though, since the payoff is 36:1, and there are 36 posibilities, just put bets on 30, 1k each and the odds that you will comeout 6k richer are pretty good






Roulette pays 35:1 on a 38:1 shot for all numbered tiles. There is no way to beat this game assuming the wheel is fair. If you place 30 $1 bets according to your system. You have a 30/38 or ~78% chance of being paid 35:1. When you are paid 35:1 you make exactly $5. This means over 100 average trials you will win $5 78 times and lose $30 22 times.

$5*78 = $390
-$30x22=$660
=$270/100 =
A loss of 2.7 units every time you place a spread 30 unit bet on single tiles.

Roulette is not beatable. Please remember the ball/wheel has no memory. If it comes red 12 times in a row, there is still exactly a 47.368% it will come red the next spin.

This post is courtesy of boncher@useast. He can't post on teamliquid.net due to the java? problem Klogon posted. Boncher is just too damn lazy to fix it.
Stygg
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Sweden1100 Posts
June 10 2005 06:04 GMT
#23
People can make hacks that reveal the map in SC, so the thought of someone creating a proggy to see everyone's hole cards isn't that off. But I think the security level of the major poker sites is higher than blizzard's horrendous security level. I'm not worried until I hear something from a reliable source.

Anyone know anything about the security for the most used poker sites? I'd like to know just for fun.
wine is fine but whiskey's quicker
T_T
Profile Joined December 2003
Vatican City State593 Posts
June 10 2005 06:48 GMT
#24
you can't create a "maphack" like program for any poker client software because they simply don't send other card information than the one really visible to you during a game. that means to write a cheat or whatever software you need to gain access to the server system to know all the information about a game in realtime.
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
June 10 2005 06:52 GMT
#25
On June 10 2005 13:27 decafchicken wrote:
There was a program some people created that they used the algo for the card shuffling to predict exactly what each card was going to come up, and it worked. Read about it in SI.


that's because they had the non-entrophied algo which was also a broken shuffle

this is like 1998 stuff and doesn't apply to modern online shuffles
JAM THE FUCKER!
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3996 Posts
June 10 2005 07:37 GMT
#26
yeah, if you place a bet on the first 30 numbers every time, and if (by equal distribution) every number would hit once in a row (there are nrs 1-36 and 0, french roulette, so 37 in total) you'd make
30 times x 35 the bet
and you'd lose
37 times x 30 the bet (or 38 on an american roulette table).
Not very hard to see that this loses money.

Theoretically, you could make money with an infinite bankroll, assuming the maximum bet is also infinite. Bet $1, if you lose, bet $2, and continue to bet twice the amount. When you win, you start again betting $1. Eventually, you will always win $1 in total when your side (red or black) comes up. This would even work if you had smaller chances of winning, as long as you could continue to bet higher. But in reality, bankrolls and bets aren't infinite.

Btw, there are players who have been making money off roulette, but they work differently. You might know Rob Hollink, winner of the EPT 2005 recently, also played blackjack and roulette for a living before (he's been a pro gambler for like 15 years or so). To beat roulette, he would count on the consistency of the roulette croupier who will always toss in the ball at similar speeds, and looks are the rotation of the wheel before it was spun to calculate the areas where the prizes are likely to fall (you only need to beat that 2% house advantage). He talked about this in one interview, where he said this technique was made harder all the time since croupiers started to spin the wheel at different speeds, and put in the ball differently as well. Still, the roulette kept him alive for a good while, although he's mostly into poker only now.
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
June 10 2005 14:34 GMT
#27
so whats infinity + 1?
JAM THE FUCKER!
hentarion
Profile Joined January 2005
United States280 Posts
June 10 2005 14:47 GMT
#28
*roulette is impossible to win*
*nuh huh*
*yes huh plus infinite*
*ha plus 1 whatever u say*
*ha plus 1 that*
*oh x0 whatever u say +1 I WIN*
*shucks*


sorry that probably made no sense but :D I enjoyed it gambling is hard to win at but blackjack is very very doable :D
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
June 10 2005 16:43 GMT
#29
Yea well why would a guy who can use the system to make mucho muny need to sell the system to get a few bucks?
River me timbers.
Daishi
Profile Joined April 2003
United Kingdom106 Posts
June 10 2005 17:19 GMT
#30
Lumberjack: Let's have a coinflip competition, you pay me $10 if I guess right, I pay you $9.80 if I guess wrong. It's only 2%, right?
ABOYNE (vb.) To beat an expert at a game of skill by playing so appallingly that none of his clever tactics or strategies are of any use to him.- Douglas Adams
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