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Falc
Sweden110 Posts
Was fun reading about the programs though. Some quotes: "Earn at least $25,000 in 30-days or you Don't Pay a Cent!" "Stop trying to guess what hole cards your opponents are holding" Dirty Little Secret: You DO NOT Need Talent or Skill To Make Lots of $$ at Online Poker I guess since there are so many bad people playing (and as we all know, people are idiots) they make some good cash of this. | ||
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
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scrapperdog
United States779 Posts
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Sublime
United States79 Posts
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
"there is a good system with roulette though, since the payoff is 36:1, and there are 36 posibilities, just put bets on 30, 1k each and the odds that you will comeout 6k richer are pretty good" That would 50:50 game, not a winning game but tie. | ||
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LumberJack
United States3355 Posts
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TvP On Guillo
Denmark646 Posts
On June 09 2005 15:30 LumberJack wrote: there is a good system with roulette though, since the payoff is 36:1, and there are 36 posibilities, just put bets on 30, 1k each and the odds that you will comeout 6k richer are pretty good Haha. That's so mindnumbingly stupid. If it was a roulette designed for not gaining profit, that "system" would not gain you anything it would just even out, the same applies with any other "system". Now, in real roulette the house needs to earn money, typically by having green slots in addition to the black and red, and odds that are lower than the chance of winning. | ||
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
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Izenra
Canada679 Posts
Ok I saw this one. The guys was saying that you could see the other person card. Also, he had a technic to make people fold. I had access to the e-book free. ....what a lame ass "you can make people fold by using the chat box saying stuff to control the other person mind, like saying : « you know you can't win right?» "to see other people card, you must install the program ( whatever program I dont remember). Also, your opponent must also install this program. That create a online server within your two computers. Also, you must know his password of his program. Then you will be able to see his card." lameeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. | ||
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Refrain[FriZ]
Canada4337 Posts
On June 09 2005 17:47 Izenra wrote: "Earn at least $25,000 in 30-days or you Don't Pay a Cent!" Ok I saw this one. The guys was saying that you could see the other person card. Also, he had a technic to make people fold. I had access to the e-book free. ....what a lame ass "you can make people fold by using the chat box saying stuff to control the other person mind, like saying : « you know you can't win right?» "to see other people card, you must install the program ( whatever program I dont remember). Also, your opponent must also install this program. That create a online server within your two computers. Also, you must know his password of his program. Then you will be able to see his card." lameeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. HAHAHAHAHAHA btw i could totally see a group of college kids all at one table sharing information and dominating | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14910 Posts
On June 09 2005 15:03 Polis wrote: Ppl are even buying power ball system, nothing is going to suprise me. Ppl try to play roulette using system's, they think that if it was red 8 times it is more probably to be black now. it's not more probable. however, if u realize that it will EVENTUALLY HIT, it's possible to win...unfortunately to take advantage of this completely a nearly unlimited bank roll is required. if u play a system where you increase your bet enough to cover previous losses and makea small profit, theoretically with an unlimited bank roll u will make money. i've done calculations (spreadsheet is somewhere on my computer) with percentages of a certain outcome not occuring 13 spins in a row and such like that, plus roughly the amount of money required to cover losses but still profit | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
United Kingdom10597 Posts
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TvP On Guillo
Denmark646 Posts
On June 09 2005 17:58 KOFgokuon wrote: it's not more probable. however, if u realize that it will EVENTUALLY HIT, it's possible to win...unfortunately to take advantage of this completely a nearly unlimited bank roll is required. if u play a system where you increase your bet enough to cover previous losses and makea small profit, theoretically with an unlimited bank roll u will make money. i've done calculations (spreadsheet is somewhere on my computer) with percentages of a certain outcome not occuring 13 spins in a row and such like that, plus roughly the amount of money required to cover losses but still profit No. Of course you are talking about a roulette where the odds are equal to the chances of winning(red and black give 2x each, etc.), otherwise you'd know that the house always wins. It all depends on what you mean by " it's possible to win". You can win by putting one single bet on a number, win, and never play roulette again, that way you've "won". In the long run, however, you can't win. It is impossible. No matter how much you increase your bets, you will at some point face a string of losses, long enough to make you bankrupt. The point is that(mathematically), you can't bet with negative money, it's impossible, but if you had infinite money, which is also impossible and can't be considered an option, since the definition of "winning" would loses all meaning then. By default it evens out in the short term, but the difference is that the game is infinite and your bankroll is limited. | ||
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k3fka
Argentina1267 Posts
On June 09 2005 16:17 LumberJack wrote: what sublime said, wow i was 1 number off? sue me? how am i retarded cause i missed a 2%? geez you people are cool LumberJack , a friends dad owns many Casinos here in Argentina , and he is paid trips to Las Vegas just to Bet since hes bets are higher than 50K dollars And he told me that Casinos Win All the money from Roulette with that 2%. If you knew some maths you would know 2% * Thousdan of people playing everyday is increased terribly. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
Thanks for notifying us, it's appreciated when forum members help out making this site better. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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NeverEndingStory
446 Posts
And casinos make money on these 2% I do not think that casino would ever host a game which is beatable in longrun.People says that black jack is beatable but I have not ever seen this game so I do not wanna comment it. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20154 Posts
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iNCuBuS_
United States905 Posts
( Lumberjack) there is a good system with roulette though, since the payoff is 36:1, and there are 36 posibilities, just put bets on 30, 1k each and the odds that you will comeout 6k richer are pretty good Roulette pays 35:1 on a 38:1 shot for all numbered tiles. There is no way to beat this game assuming the wheel is fair. If you place 30 $1 bets according to your system. You have a 30/38 or ~78% chance of being paid 35:1. When you are paid 35:1 you make exactly $5. This means over 100 average trials you will win $5 78 times and lose $30 22 times. $5*78 = $390 -$30x22=$660 =$270/100 = A loss of 2.7 units every time you place a spread 30 unit bet on single tiles. Roulette is not beatable. Please remember the ball/wheel has no memory. If it comes red 12 times in a row, there is still exactly a 47.368% it will come red the next spin. This post is courtesy of boncher@useast. He can't post on teamliquid.net due to the java? problem Klogon posted. Boncher is just too damn lazy to fix it. | ||
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Stygg
Sweden1100 Posts
Anyone know anything about the security for the most used poker sites? I'd like to know just for fun. | ||
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T_T
Vatican City State593 Posts
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
On June 10 2005 13:27 decafchicken wrote: There was a program some people created that they used the algo for the card shuffling to predict exactly what each card was going to come up, and it worked. Read about it in SI. that's because they had the non-entrophied algo which was also a broken shuffle this is like 1998 stuff and doesn't apply to modern online shuffles | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3996 Posts
30 times x 35 the bet and you'd lose 37 times x 30 the bet (or 38 on an american roulette table). Not very hard to see that this loses money. Theoretically, you could make money with an infinite bankroll, assuming the maximum bet is also infinite. Bet $1, if you lose, bet $2, and continue to bet twice the amount. When you win, you start again betting $1. Eventually, you will always win $1 in total when your side (red or black) comes up. This would even work if you had smaller chances of winning, as long as you could continue to bet higher. But in reality, bankrolls and bets aren't infinite. Btw, there are players who have been making money off roulette, but they work differently. You might know Rob Hollink, winner of the EPT 2005 recently, also played blackjack and roulette for a living before (he's been a pro gambler for like 15 years or so). To beat roulette, he would count on the consistency of the roulette croupier who will always toss in the ball at similar speeds, and looks are the rotation of the wheel before it was spun to calculate the areas where the prizes are likely to fall (you only need to beat that 2% house advantage). He talked about this in one interview, where he said this technique was made harder all the time since croupiers started to spin the wheel at different speeds, and put in the ball differently as well. Still, the roulette kept him alive for a good while, although he's mostly into poker only now. | ||
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
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hentarion
United States280 Posts
*nuh huh* *yes huh plus infinite* *ha plus 1 whatever u say* *ha plus 1 that* *oh x0 whatever u say +1 I WIN* *shucks* sorry that probably made no sense but :D I enjoyed it gambling is hard to win at but blackjack is very very doable :D | ||
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Muhweli
Finland5328 Posts
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Daishi
United Kingdom106 Posts
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