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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
The setting is gorgeous, Blizzard really knows how to do beautiful things with small wooden sticks. Pokemon battles are strange though. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On October 23 2011 03:09 PetitCrabe wrote: I feel like so many blizzard fans are like: I HATE THIS FUCKING GAME HERE IS MY MONEY TAKE MORE ILL BUY EVERYTHING BUT I HATE YOU This is quite true actually. It has a lot to do with PC market being so crap, and that they get no real competition in the genres they develop, especially when it comes to production value and polish. It's not a train even Blizzard can ride forever, though. Secondly, the problem with most games, no actually ALL games, nowadays is that there are too many people paying for them and playing them, so that the opinion of actual fans doesn't really hold any weight at all. A decade ago, if a game got negative reputation on some of the more prominent community boards, it was actually a bigger deal to the publisher. Needless to say, reviewers had some credibility as well. Today reviewers are being paid to sell games instead of reviewing them. But let's be serious, with all the polish aside, there's an obvious tendency in making games worse than their predecessors. Because in order to sell it to the masses and keep them playing, you HAVE to make a dull, streamlined game that caters to the lowest common denominator. It's not just Blizzard doing this. Obviously at the end of the day you still have to play something that actually works and runs smoothly, so... yeah I'm giving them money. And hoping they choke on it. Well, maybe not literally, but still. | ||
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Moldwood
United States280 Posts
Prepare for 2012. For those who were still uncertain, there can not be a shred of doubt now that we ARE ALL going to die. P.S. i'm guessing they will choose to end everything on the midnight of the D3 release. | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On October 23 2011 03:26 mordk wrote: Looks great. I find funny that so many "diehard WoW fans" are oblivious to the fact that Pandaren have existed for a long time in the Warcraft universe. Really comes to show how little WoW players care about the game's lore. It's actually sad. The setting is gorgeous, Blizzard really knows how to do beautiful things with small wooden sticks. Pokemon battles are strange though. Pandarens were a joke, an easter egg. Stop saying that they've always been Warcraft universe. Yes they were, but as a damn joke. The expansion is just a play to recuperate the loss of accounts that is already under way (Last April it was announced that WoW had actually lost 600.000 subs, which is really a lot) and probably the number is over a million now. To keep up, they introduce the WoW annual pass to get D3 for free, and also a China related (hint: China has a lot of people), very very simple, very simplified, very casual friendly expansion with Pandas and pokemon battles. So exciting. It is just a clever way to keep milking WoW, but in terms of their mentality behind this expansion and the terrible ideas that they propose, it is pretty obvious to say that World of Warcraft is officially dead, and about to be on life-support to keep its husk alive. | ||
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Jayrod
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On October 23 2011 03:20 Pufftrees wrote: ^ While the fan base does get progressively more whiney, this expansion is taking a beating from its player base. Cata was actually pretty well accepted (you can go dig up forums from last year on mmo champ or whatever to see), this expansion actually has a lot of people upset and going "wtf??". Wouldn't be surprised if blizzard drops another mil subscribers or so. So whats blizz gonna do now completely redesign their expansion cause of the whiners? Wow came out in fkn 2004 it would keep dropping subscribers even if it was the greatest expansion of all time. But wow players just whine no matter what yet half of them keep playing and paying. You have dota2, d3 and swotor coming out in the next few months. If you dont like what blizz is doing just move on. All the whining is way past old at this point. | ||
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HackBenjamin
Canada1094 Posts
How are you going to flesh out another 5 level expansion with just a new race? Why is this even considered an expansion? There isn't even that much new content..just a handful of zones, a few new dungeons... It's obvious Blizz has run out of ideas. Metzen has lost his passion for this game. I'm not even so much bothered by the absence of an overarching bad guy, because at the core of Warcraft, it was always about Alliance vs Horde. To me, WoW should have had much more focus on that, but as usual, the big company wants money, so they cater to the kind of people you DON'T want to play with and design the game for absolute fucking idiots. ONE talent every 15 levels? PET BATTLES? Why not the flying-mounted combat you promised? How about just regular mounted combat? Wanna add something awesome? How about some Naval combat? More emphasis on Alliance vs Horde? How about player housing, guild halls, dyeable armor, more customization? You know, all those cool things that other successful MMO's have? WoW isn't even Warcraft anymore. See you guys in TOR  | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On October 23 2011 04:04 Bleak wrote: Pandarens were a joke, an easter egg. Stop saying that they've always been Warcraft universe. Yes they were, but as a damn joke. The expansion is just a play to recuperate the loss of accounts that is already under way (Last April it was announced that WoW had actually lost 600.000 subs, which is really a lot) and probably the number is over a million now. To keep up, they introduce the WoW annual pass to get D3 for free, and also a China related (hint: China has a lot of people), very very simple, very simplified, very casual friendly expansion with Pandas and pokemon battles. So exciting. It is just a clever way to keep milking WoW, but in terms of their mentality behind this expansion and the terrible ideas that they propose, it is pretty obvious to say that World of Warcraft is officially dead, and about to be on life-support to keep its husk alive. As sad as it is, I agree. The problem with World of Warcraft is that the mechanics, the core gameplay gets boring for most players now, and the Blizzard dev team can't really do anything about it since their entire software is based on an engine and server system that is as old as World of Warcraft. To bring something really new and fresh they have to tackle a whole new project, which I think will be Titan. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On October 23 2011 04:24 HackBenjamin wrote: I was done with WoW after I got to 85. I knew the game had become a farce, a shadow of its former self... I re-subbed about a month ago to kill time until TOR, but I've never been more convinced than I am now. It's absolute shit. The direction it's going in? Absolute shit. What in the FUCK is this? How are you going to flesh out another 5 level expansion with just a new race? Why is this even considered an expansion? There isn't even that much new content..just a handful of zones, a few new dungeons... It's obvious Blizz has run out of ideas. Metzen has lost his passion for this game. I'm not even so much bothered by the absence of an overarching bad guy, because at the core of Warcraft, it was always about Alliance vs Horde. To me, WoW should have had much more focus on that, but as usual, the big company wants money, so they cater to the kind of people you DON'T want to play with and design the game for absolute fucking idiots. ONE talent every 15 levels? PET BATTLES? Why not the flying-mounted combat you promised? How about just regular mounted combat? Wanna add something awesome? How about some Naval combat? More emphasis on Alliance vs Horde? How about player housing, guild halls, dyeable armor, more customization? You know, all those cool things that other successful MMO's have? WoW isn't even Warcraft anymore. See you guys in TOR I agree, I'm SO glad that they haven't made it possible to get netherwing drakes other than grinding the dailies or having it from pvp. It's the last bastion of hope for WoW, if you see someone on a netherwing you atleast know they're not completely retarded. | ||
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
No main antagonist like Vanilla and more focus on warring factions etc. sounds decent, but I'm quite sure they'll more or less mess up the world bosses and they become outdated way too fast. All that pokemon stuff sounds like just a pointless addition, but I guess those who play it mainly for chatting with their online friends and who aren't working towards anything spesific at the moment benefit from extra timekiller with that gotta catch em all attidute. Now they give more of a reason to gather pets than just have some random achievements related to them. If they only reworked the dungeon finders, battlegrounds etc. to ALWAYS prioritize your own server or even limit it to your server (aside from the few about dead ones) it would bring back the server community despite a lot longer queues. People might actually use LFG again. You'd know the tough guys of opposing faction from BGs etc. While there's decent potential, so many things have become a massive joke or generally degenerated due whining of few loud community members. While it's understandable they want people to see and experience everything, it takes the fun and sense of achievement out of so many things. Meh. I might be pulled back to play once again for a while by some friends, oh well, it works as glorified co-op. | ||
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Ig
United States417 Posts
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
On October 23 2011 04:04 Bleak wrote: Pandarens were a joke, an easter egg. Stop saying that they've always been Warcraft universe. Yes they were, but as a damn joke. The expansion is just a play to recuperate the loss of accounts that is already under way (Last April it was announced that WoW had actually lost 600.000 subs, which is really a lot) and probably the number is over a million now. To keep up, they introduce the WoW annual pass to get D3 for free, and also a China related (hint: China has a lot of people), very very simple, very simplified, very casual friendly expansion with Pandas and pokemon battles. So exciting. It is just a clever way to keep milking WoW, but in terms of their mentality behind this expansion and the terrible ideas that they propose, it is pretty obvious to say that World of Warcraft is officially dead, and about to be on life-support to keep its husk alive. losing 1 million people out of 13 million subscribers of a 7 year old game, it's amazing how long it took for people actually got really bored . The problem with Diablo 3 is that it's hard to play both so making sure that people purchase such a annual pass to get Diablo 3 for free is a genius move. In China has a different payment method which isn't as profitable as here in the west. And very simplified..how? Are you refering to the talent system overhaul which seems to be much better system then today's if executed well? Why is having a expansions which is a bit more lighthearted bad after having 3 expansion with a supervillian, which the last one kind of wrecked Azeroth. And what's wrong with compagnion battles? It's not like ti's going to be the main attraction of the expansion (unless it turns out to be extremely good like the Pokémon games) And please, don't claim something as fact as it's merely your own opinion, World of Warcraft is dead? Is having 12 million subscribers calling a game dead? Oh wow. | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On October 23 2011 04:48 Seiniyta wrote: losing 1 million people out of 13 million subscribers of a 7 year old game, it's amazing how long it took for people actually got really bored . The problem with Diablo 3 is that it's hard to play both so making sure that people purchase such a annual pass to get Diablo 3 for free is a genius move. In China has a different payment method which isn't as profitable as here in the west. And very simplified..how? Are you refering to the talent system overhaul which seems to be much better system then today's if executed well? Why is having a expansions which is a bit more lighthearted bad after having 3 expansion with a supervillian, which the last one kind of wrecked Azeroth. And what's wrong with compagnion battles? It's not like ti's going to be the main attraction of the expansion (unless it turns out to be extremely good like the Pokémon games) And please, don't claim something as fact as it's merely your own opinion, World of Warcraft is dead? Is having 12 million subscribers calling a game dead? Oh wow. It won't take much longer for people to get bored if this thing goes through. There is no "maybe", "but" or "no" to this, this is very, very clear. WoW is (at least must be, there is no way to justify this piece of shit, I'm sorry for profanity, but I can't think of a better way to express it) losing blood heavily, and they want the Asian market. How do we do that? The people in Asia are not really heavy gamers, stuff like Farmville, Sims and bunch of other easy, not demanding games sell and perform good. How do you incorporate that into WoW? By dumbing down stats, talent trees (1 talent per 15 level? What the hell?), dungeons, abilities, skills, pretty much everything, and bringing in casual zombie simulations like pokemon battles and a Panda in a forest to gaze while you are drooling. Oh and Pandas can Kung-fu. WoW has been set in a dark fantasy. (There are things like gnomes and funny quests, easter eggs etc, but they are there for their purpose, to bring a little, small comedical value to the game). That is what it is. You cannot take Matrix and make it into a comedy movie. Some things are by definition, are what they are. We've had demon invasions, dragon attacks, an army of undead with a king trying to gain total domination and a huge dragon bent on destroying everything. And now? Pandas in their bamboo forests, and their pokemon friends. Actually there are no villains, since this is "calm before the storm". Better expressed, "We don't have a fucking clue of what to do next, so why don't you stay put as I shove this down your throat." I browse the official forums and it is so sad. There are actually people guarding these choices. I'm not saying one cannot like this or it'd be end of the world, you might be enjoy it in your own right if you only play 2 hours a week or something and don't really take it too seriously and never will. But for some of us, who have spent their 6 years committing into this game, this is a huge spit in the face to the loyal fans who have spent countless hours. It doesn't really matter though. There is a swarm of angry teenagers ready to jump whatever Blizzard releases and scorn at whoever criticises their choices. I'm not even gonna get into how much of a bullshit new talent system is. It brings a whole other slew of issues, such as the end to class diversity and variance in gameplay. The only consolation for me is that I was there in WoW's golden age, in Vanilla. I was there, I raided, I met wonderful people and had the wildest fun in my life ever. Those memories won't go anywhere, the same as WoW isn't going anywhere anymore. | ||
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Limpo
Sweden25 Posts
In BC we had Illidan. In Wotlk there was Lich King. Now its Deathwing. Whats up next? The only thing I've seen so far is a fat panda and I doubt we will see a panda as a final boss. What do you guys think will be the final boss? Anyone with some clue about what we will see? I hope it's some kinda cool thing though.. | ||
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zeru
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Eogris
United States148 Posts
I heard rumors that they're trying to bring the horde vs alliance war back to the forefront. If they could get open world pvp back in the game, I could very realistically see myself buying this game. | ||
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Jayrod
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sephius
United Kingdom200 Posts
Still, I'm not going to be returning to WoW. I quit over a year ago and highly doubt I'd go back for anything... Well, unless they remove flying mounts. Flying mounts killed world pvp and took away the scope of the game for me. What's the point in creating anything dangerous when you can literally fly over the most powerful thing ever created perfectly safe. At first I enjoyed the novelty of flying mounts, but by the end of BC I realised world PVP has been deleted. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On October 23 2011 04:04 Bleak wrote: Pandarens were a joke, an easter egg. Stop saying that they've always been Warcraft universe. Yes they were, but as a damn joke. The expansion is just a play to recuperate the loss of accounts that is already under way (Last April it was announced that WoW had actually lost 600.000 subs, which is really a lot) and probably the number is over a million now. To keep up, they introduce the WoW annual pass to get D3 for free, and also a China related (hint: China has a lot of people), very very simple, very simplified, very casual friendly expansion with Pandas and pokemon battles. So exciting. It is just a clever way to keep milking WoW, but in terms of their mentality behind this expansion and the terrible ideas that they propose, it is pretty obvious to say that World of Warcraft is officially dead, and about to be on life-support to keep its husk alive. You know warcraft 3 right? Pandaren happened LONG before the April fools joke. | ||
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