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On September 07 2011 06:49 wBsKillian wrote:
I'm glad they picked HoN after I had to watch LoL at IEM.
S2 just made such an awesome game, I don't wanna bash LoL.
Good step, maybe HoN still can grow after they were forced to make it f2p-ish because of LoL/DOTA2.
I don't think that HoN is a bad game by any means, but S2's support of their community is pretty horrid.
On September 07 2011 07:23 WArped wrote:
HoN? Bit of a strange choice, I thought the HoN scene was declining because of DotA 2. I am not saying it shouldn't be considered but with LoL and DotA 2 out it seems an odd choice. I hope it helps HoN maintain it's eSports status.
I can't speak for all of the people leaving HoN, but there are quite a few people leaving because of how S2 handles stuff.
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I can't believe people will write off HoN or LoL because Dota2 will be here, I myself love HoN above both LoL and Dota it's just my personal opinion, but I play both LoL and Dota, and I am pretty sure I will also own Dota2 and play that.
Dota2 won't kill the other games, it might take away a lot of their competitive scene, but it will not take all the players from LoL or HoN it will mostly 'borrow' them. I am using borrowed loosely here. I am pretty sure all three games will still be played after Dota2 comes out, there might be some time where everybody is playing Dota2, but I am also pretty sure it will even out.
I mean why can't you play more than one MOB-game as well as we play more than one FPS, or more than on MMO, or even more than one RTS?
It just seems like these 'flame wars' are getting out of hand and taking over so many places, when most people forget we are all gamers, we all love games, just as all football-fans love football (soccer for some) regardless of which team you cheer for, mostly all fans play themselves and love the game. The question really is why people insist on finding the better game instead of enjoying them all. Remember people we are all under the same roof 
On a different note I want to add that even though I love HoN, but I must admit that its competitive scene is not nearly as popular as LoL, nor will it compare to Dota2 when it comes out, and for that I can't really see how adding HoN will help NASL, although I can see a motive for S2.
My heart cheers for this change, but my brain will forever be skeptic.
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A problem of HoN is that S2 is an independend and relatively small company, for example you never see any HoN ads, just a bunch of LoL ads.
I'm only semi-active now in HoN, but I followed the professional HoN scene for over a year and it defenetly has potential for a good esports game. Imo S2 just has to make the right steps to go in this direction, right now they mostly make it attractive for casual players so that it can be a real competitor for LoL, slowing down the effort for balance and for a stable game.
But in general I like S2 a lot, during the time i played actively I was also active on the official HoN forum. There you could post sth about the game and a S2 employee (not just a moderator, a real employee who works on the game) would answer, giving reasons for sth. they made in the game. So in my opinion S2 is capable of doing the right things, sponsoring the price money for NASL is a sign for this.
I just want people to give it a chance, you shouldn't just declare HoN as dead because DOTA2 is on its way. And NASL seems to be a good chance for that, since many people will watch it for sc2 and it's the biggest HoN event this far.
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Session based action multiplayer RPG? Thats a new name for the genre...
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On September 07 2011 07:51 GeneralissimoNero wrote:
Session based action multiplayer RPG? Thats a new name for the genre...
SBAM is a good description of HoN fights :D
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To the people who say "this is stupid because of DOTA 2, etc, etc": do you know the two games well? They might have a lot of the same heroes, but they are VERY different. As a spectator sport, I find Hon a lot more entertaining to watch, it's a completely different pace. Sure there are a lot of similarities, but it's two completely different games.
OT: Happy to see this. Hon doesn't get enough attention imo, which is sad since it beats games like lol by miles and miles (competitive wise). Good luck!!
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HoN>LoL but when DotA 2 comes out, it will wipe the floor
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With hon dying and LoL rising, I can't see how this is a good decision.
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Why not League of Legends? Quite honestly they have a much much better scene. The HoN scene is dying by the day in my opinion.
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To all the people saying that HoN is dying, it is actually more active than it has ever been.
Hope we will see some good matches 
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Not sure HoN was the best choice in games to add, but w/e.
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On September 07 2011 06:14 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 03:52 crms wrote:
HoN > LoL
but seems silly to add this with dota 2 around the corner. I hope they don't have any sort of exclusive contract that is for too long. HoN is going to be wiped off the earth when Dota 2 is released.
it seems silly to test the waters using a popular, existing title? seems sensible to me. dota2's relative success is a gamble, just like any game (except SC2 lol, that was a guarantee), leagues like MLG and NASL adding titles like this will give them some indication of the genre's popularity, and get their staff comfortable with running a moba tournament
huh? It's hardly a testing of the waters, it's using an inferior game of a similar genre to test the market sounds good to you, I suppose MLG should have added SCBW* (edit happy geez  )before SC2 was released to test the RTS waters lol.
The popularity and player numbders that dota 2 will have is most definitely going to equal or most likely, exceed SC2. Especially if they go the F2P model through STEAM. I hope you were trolling when you call dota 2 a gamble but SC2 a guarantee. We all loved broodwar but broodwar didn't create an entire genre and countless rip offs.
Also I'm pretty sure MLG only added LoL because Riot paid for everything, perhaps NASL has a similar deal with S2. I can't imagine NASL thinking its a good idea to fully support HoN.. it doesn't exactly have amazing numbers or eSports following.
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Quit HoN about a month ago after working for the GameReplays.org HoN section and playing since Beta. Couldn't deal with the enormous, gigantic, massively inflated egos of everyone from the everyday casual players to the pros to the casters. Then S2 did the whole, "yeah bro pay for your heroes now" and I bounced.
There's like at best 12 nice people in a group of around 2000.
I still watch the casts occasionally but 3 hours for a best of three is tedious to say the least.
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On September 07 2011 08:13 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 06:14 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On September 07 2011 03:52 crms wrote:
HoN > LoL
but seems silly to add this with dota 2 around the corner. I hope they don't have any sort of exclusive contract that is for too long. HoN is going to be wiped off the earth when Dota 2 is released.
it seems silly to test the waters using a popular, existing title? seems sensible to me. dota2's relative success is a gamble, just like any game (except SC2 lol, that was a guarantee), leagues like MLG and NASL adding titles like this will give them some indication of the genre's popularity, and get their staff comfortable with running a moba tournament huh? It's hardly a testing of the waters, it's using an inferior game of a similar genre to test the market sounds good to you, I suppose MLG should have added Civ 5 or AoE before SC2 was released to, test the RTS waters lol.
Civ is not even a RTS, while HoN and DotA2 are not only the same genre, but also like 90% the same exact game
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On September 07 2011 08:13 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 06:14 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On September 07 2011 03:52 crms wrote:
HoN > LoL
but seems silly to add this with dota 2 around the corner. I hope they don't have any sort of exclusive contract that is for too long. HoN is going to be wiped off the earth when Dota 2 is released.
it seems silly to test the waters using a popular, existing title? seems sensible to me. dota2's relative success is a gamble, just like any game (except SC2 lol, that was a guarantee), leagues like MLG and NASL adding titles like this will give them some indication of the genre's popularity, and get their staff comfortable with running a moba tournament huh? It's hardly a testing of the waters, it's using an inferior game of a similar genre to test the market sounds good to you, I suppose MLG should have added Civ 5 or AoE before SC2 was released to, test the RTS waters lol.
MLG did test the waters with SC2. They had the weekly MLG koth during the beta to see what numbers it would draw.
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On September 07 2011 08:06 lazydino wrote:
With hon dying and LoL rising, I can't see how this is a good decision.
HoN isn't dying right now.
When DotA 2 is released that might change, but LoL certainly won't be rising at that point in time if it is, as for HoN to die DotA 2 has to be a better alternative to it. If this is the case, LoL will lose player-base as well, even if it isn't to the same degree which HoN loses player base.
On September 07 2011 08:13 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 06:14 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On September 07 2011 03:52 crms wrote:
HoN > LoL
but seems silly to add this with dota 2 around the corner. I hope they don't have any sort of exclusive contract that is for too long. HoN is going to be wiped off the earth when Dota 2 is released.
it seems silly to test the waters using a popular, existing title? seems sensible to me. dota2's relative success is a gamble, just like any game (except SC2 lol, that was a guarantee), leagues like MLG and NASL adding titles like this will give them some indication of the genre's popularity, and get their staff comfortable with running a moba tournament huh? It's hardly a testing of the waters, it's using an inferior game of a similar genre to test the market sounds good to you, I suppose MLG should have added Civ 5 or AoE before SC2 was released to, test the RTS waters lol.
Civ V isn't even an RTS. It would be more akin to adding SCBW though, which honestly wouldn't have been a bad idea.
AoE is a very different game than SC2 while SCBW is at least very similar, if not the same game. A much better analogy for the relationship between HoN and DotA 2.
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NASL makes strange choices. They should solidify they're SC2 brand before they move into new titles. They had a very shaky season one and season two had so much drama before the season even started. I would hope they smoothed over everything before branching out.
Then to choose HoN(which doesn't have the numbers or hype that LoL or Dota2) is a questionable choice for your next title.
I don't understand their motivations for this.
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On September 07 2011 08:34 Aurdon wrote:
NASL makes strange choices. They should solidify they're SC2 brand before they move into new titles. They had a very shaky season one and season two had so much drama before the season even started. I would hope they smoothed over everything before branching out.
Then to choose HoN(which doesn't have the numbers or hype that LoL or Dota2) is a questionable choice for your next title.
I don't understand their motivations for this.
There hasn't been a LoL tournament not sponsored by Riot and I'm sure you're aware of what happened at Dreamhack (or was it Gamescom, I forget now) and MLG. HoN's numbers are increasing, it's getting added to MLG and IPL, and it's where every decent player (at least in NA) is playing right now.
Dota2 isn't a factor because it isn't released. HoN is the best choice right now.
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lets hope hon's servers are stable enough to maintain uptime during this tournament
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