On September 08 2011 01:44 Manit0u wrote: 2. LoL might have large playerbase but it also suffers from certain problems and let me quote someone more knowledgeable on the matter than myself ([EG]chu, who got to #1 rank in LoL in under 2 months):
Well made casual game, donkeyshit competitive game. There is only one way this game can be played at top level and that is passive farm-lane-entire-game, with its metagame heavily reliant on a stupid free blink that probably plagued that game since the beginning of time.
I honestly don't put any stock into what Chu says. He's rather irrational at times. He never even played LoL competitively and I don't think that gives his words any merit. Albeit, he is a very talented player. Being as good as he is, I'm not surprised he did well in the solo queue ladder for LoL. Especially since he had played LoL previously. All Chu showed me was a very talented MOBA player could hunker down and play a single champion in LoL very well.
I personally think HoN is a very good game. So is LoL however, and half the claims I see people make are empty prejudices. I mean, LoL has a pretty decent prize pool future in front of it. There is hardly any new blood in the tournement scene involving LoL. Until I see some HoN team or DotA team come in and crush the LoL scene I don't consider LoL the inferior competitive game.
Back on topic... I'm very happy NASL picked up HoN and it was smart to do so since I haven't had any connection with their competitive scene in a long time and would like to watch some of it again. I'm excited and I do think it was a good decision by NASL for a lot of the reasons people have listed.
On September 08 2011 04:08 ETisME wrote: I don't feel hon is that balanced, or maybe it's just me disliking how the game has so many jumping and leaping and "blink" skills
Blink heroes are all weaker than other heroes.
Magebane: Melee, Master's Mantra is one of the worst skills in the game.
Wretched Hag: Decent hero but nobody will scream imba. Doesn't have any sort of disable skill unlike other nukers like Pyro and Witch Slayer.
Valkyrie: very well rounded hero. The blink is directional and fixed length but in return she gets a stun, even tho it has pretty bad reliability.
Actually. that's pretty much it with blink heroes. There's Doctor Repulsor in a way but every time he uses it he loses like all his mana.
Bubbles, Maliken, Magmus, Night Hound, Chronos.. out of the back of my head.
OT It is probably S2 who has made a good offer for NASL
On September 08 2011 04:08 ETisME wrote: I don't feel hon is that balanced, or maybe it's just me disliking how the game has so many jumping and leaping and "blink" skills
Blink heroes are all weaker than other heroes.
Magebane: Melee, Master's Mantra is one of the worst skills in the game.
Wretched Hag: Decent hero but nobody will scream imba. Doesn't have any sort of disable skill unlike other nukers like Pyro and Witch Slayer.
Valkyrie: very well rounded hero. The blink is directional and fixed length but in return she gets a stun, even tho it has pretty bad reliability.
Actually. that's pretty much it with blink heroes. There's Doctor Repulsor in a way but every time he uses it he loses like all his mana.
Bubbles, Maliken, Magmus, Night Hound, Chronos.. out of the back of my head.
OT It is probably S2 who has made a good offer for NASL
The problem is except Maliken, all heroes in that list (included the one the other guy listed) are DotA-ported heroes lol...
On September 08 2011 03:57 Surili wrote: I have been playing HoN since the beta, and watching it as well. If you play the game, it is great to watch, and Breakycpk (the best/main commentator of the game) is awesome. If you haven't played it, it is probably just as hard as LoL to understand, although it is somewhat more competitive, with lots of strong teams for it's whole life time.
Graphics are pretty good too. I suggest not playing it on absolute highest though, the game becomes a little *too* shiny ^.^
I agree and let me add that breakycpk is as good of a caster as tasteless or artosis in starcraft 2 , I love his casts.
He doesn't have the knowledge nor the competitive/gaming experience of either Artosis or Tasteless. He's a very good shoutcaster though, and although some people still give him hate for whatever reasons, he has improved a lot. I personally enjoy melonzz as a shoutcaster, he is funny, knows his shit and talks real. Although he tried too hard in his latest honcast cocasting, in my opinion.
Also, pretty much every melee carry hero has some sort of positioning skill, else it'd be an inferior hero unable to get close to anyone in teamfights.
Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches.
On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote: Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Not really TL has a large group of LoL players and they hate on HoN for no good reason. The rest of the posts are HoN players being dumb back and DotA2 fanboys who want something to rant about before the game comes out.
Cool that you're posting here though. I'll definitely watch your casts.
On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote: Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches.
how has dota still a lot of work to do before getting to hons level?
On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote: Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches.
how has dota still a lot of work to do before getting to hons level?
I think he's referring to the observing UI and watchability. In that case he is correct. HoN has a far superior observing UI to what we saw at gamescom.
On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote: Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches.
how has dota still a lot of work to do before getting to hons level?
I think he's referring to the observing UI and watchability. In that case he is correct. HoN has a far superior observing UI to what we saw at gamescom.
yeah hons spectator UI looks pretty good, but i dont get how that would put it on a higher level compared to the better teams, clearer graphics and (in my opinion) superior gameplay, that dota has to offer.
Anyways its pretty pointless to discuss over other games instead of hon, since s2 obviously pays for this^^
On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote: Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches.
Love what you do with Honcast man! Hope you put a lot into NASL and help HoN grow. Btw any spoilers on when the teams will be anounced?
On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote: Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches.
I'm one person who's excited for this at least. I just hope they make some kind of rule minimize pauses. Long pauses at the start (I assume this is for tactics discussion) is pretty much the norm of competitive HoN. It's really annoying from a spectator point of view and don't think casters particularily enjoy filling the airtime either.
All of you who are waiting for dota2 need to realize that the experience the NASL organization will gain from running a HoN league will benefit a Dota2 league greatly if they decide to pick that game up at some point in the future. Assuming that it doesn't in some way interfere with their SC2 league it's a win/win no matter kind of fanboi you are.
Except for LoL and Dota Allstars I suppose. But from what I know about those games there's just too many obstacles with them to make it viable to run a cross-continent online league.
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TL has a large group of LoL players and they hate on HoN for no good reason. The rest of the posts are HoN players being dumb back and DotA2 fanboys who want something to rant about before the game comes out.
