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On September 07 2011 04:06 RumZ wrote:
They added HoN? As a person who plays HoN and LoL I have to say I'm not looking forward to this, mainly because S2 does an impeccably bad job and handling their own community, as well as any exclusive S2 Hero makes that does not pertain to a Hero from DotA is typically ungodly overpowered and imbalanced. (Emerald Warden, anyone?)
Yeah, that's probably why EW is being banned almost every time in competetive games and when he doesn't get banned he gets picked and takes over games.
Where do you even get your news from? 1250 MMR players complaining about this or that hero being imbalanced?
Besides, does it even matter? If every heroe S2 invents is overpowered, there's enough of them now to make most of the heroes overpowered. If everyone is overpowered then, effectively, no one is.
On September 07 2011 11:42 Ozrak wrote:
My only concern is that HoN was not made as an e-sport, but as a DoTA clone. This means that for a spectator it will be pretty hard to understand and parse what is happening in the matches since you have 10 heroes (from a pool of 80+ to choose from) with 4 spells each, that is a combination of 40 spells proc'ing during team fights. Also, my concern is that during the first 10 minutes of the game the laning phase is simple, but can be boring.
Don't get me wrong, I would love for HoN to succeed as e-sport, but I don't know if the complexity of what is happening at once in the screen will let itself to be one. Unless we have casters that speak like auctioneers or race track commentators.
Every game is hard to follow if you don't know it inside out. Even simple concepts like StarCraft may be hard to follow without knowing the nuances that allow you to gauge what's going on.
And S2 has made EXCELLENT (can't stress this enough) effort on creating spectator UI and LAN client for tournaments. They do consider the e-sport potential of HoN and are working to make it as good as possible on this field.
http://honcast.com/video/2011/09/05/lion-quality-cup-1st-round-dm-vs-sgty-game-1
Just check this UI out. Isn't it beautiful? And special LAN client? Why didn't Blizzard do it?
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Maybe they should have added DOTA2, because it is the newer game and will attract a lot of viewers initially who'd be interested in checking it out. HoN went free to play recently, so may not be doing too well, and both LoL and HoN are kind of old and may not do as well for televised esports.
Hope things will go well for the NASL guys regardless!
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This just shows how poorly the decision making is behind NASL. HoN is sadly going to die off once DotA2 is out. The community behind it is very small in comparison to the competition.
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On September 07 2011 18:31 Renew wrote:
This just shows how poorly the decision making is behind NASL. HoN is sadly going to die off once DotA2 is out. The community behind it is very small in comparison to the competition.
Must... Control... Anger...
Would you guys please stop with dumb comments like that? DotA2 isn't out yet and you don't know when will it be out. After it's out there will still be some time required to assess its potential as an e-sport and overall quality as a game. Only then will we be able to ascertain if it's going to kill anything or fail hard.
I, for one, am not the least bit interested in DotA2. I might be interested if they made something new with it and not DotA with better graphics. I've been playing DotA for years and welcomed HoN for its innovations.
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haters gonna hate.
but i love Savage 1 & 2 (they even have linux-clients!), i love hon and i wish S2 games good luck.
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$2 is bad but this is good for HoN and the HoN community overall, really nice to see some major HoN tourney instead of LoL
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Meh , when looking for an E-sports game I think you should considder stuff like , if u needed an FPS would u go for COD or BF ? Well COD most pepl. play but BF is know for better balance. So COD, sooo to relate to this, I would have gone LoL on acount of balance AND player count.
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On September 07 2011 19:41 DH_Remorse wrote:
Meh , when looking for an E-sports game I think you should considder stuff like , if u needed an FPS would u go for COD or BF ? Well COD most pepl. play but BF is know for better balance. So COD, sooo to relate to this, I would have gone LoL on acount of balance AND player count.
I'd choose neither CoD nor BF. There are much better FPS games out there (hell, even CSS is better).
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thank god no LoL. all there is to say.
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On September 07 2011 18:36 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 18:31 Renew wrote:
This just shows how poorly the decision making is behind NASL. HoN is sadly going to die off once DotA2 is out. The community behind it is very small in comparison to the competition. Must... Control... Anger... Would you guys please stop with dumb comments like that? DotA2 isn't out yet and you don't know when will it be out. After it's out there will still be some time required to assess its potential as an e-sport and overall quality as a game. Only then will we be able to ascertain if it's going to kill anything or fail hard. I, for one, am not the least bit interested in DotA2. I might be interested if they made something new with it and not DotA with better graphics. I've been playing DotA for years and welcomed HoN for its innovations.
Um beta is out and there is a 6 month timetable for release...
Dota and lol have 10x the playerbase and hon has been seeing a decline in player numbers despite going f2p. It is a poor decision on nasl part to back 3rd place out of a 3 game race.
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Um beta is out and there is a 6 month timetable for release...
Dota and lol have 10x the playerbase and hon has been seeing a decline in player numbers despite going f2p. It is a poor decision on nasl part to back 3rd place out of a 3 game race.
Beta isn't out, LoL spec client didn't even work at MLG, and HoN has won ~ 25k more players connected at the same time since going f2p. Your only valid point is LoL and DotA having a larger playerbase. I mean people should get it's just about $$, it's not about what NASL producers prefer has a game.
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This could possibly make way for Dota 2 in the NASL in the future. (HoN swapped out)
Nonetheless, this is great news for the Dota genre.
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On September 07 2011 20:14 bigjenk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 18:36 Manit0u wrote:On September 07 2011 18:31 Renew wrote:
This just shows how poorly the decision making is behind NASL. HoN is sadly going to die off once DotA2 is out. The community behind it is very small in comparison to the competition. Must... Control... Anger... Would you guys please stop with dumb comments like that? DotA2 isn't out yet and you don't know when will it be out. After it's out there will still be some time required to assess its potential as an e-sport and overall quality as a game. Only then will we be able to ascertain if it's going to kill anything or fail hard. I, for one, am not the least bit interested in DotA2. I might be interested if they made something new with it and not DotA with better graphics. I've been playing DotA for years and welcomed HoN for its innovations. Um beta is out and there is a 6 month timetable for release... Dota and lol have 10x the playerbase and hon has been seeing a decline in player numbers despite going f2p. It is a poor decision on nasl part to back 3rd place out of a 3 game race.
HoN has a far better spectator client right now, witch makes a strong selling point for an esport.
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On September 07 2011 20:14 bigjenk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 18:36 Manit0u wrote:On September 07 2011 18:31 Renew wrote:
This just shows how poorly the decision making is behind NASL. HoN is sadly going to die off once DotA2 is out. The community behind it is very small in comparison to the competition. Must... Control... Anger... Would you guys please stop with dumb comments like that? DotA2 isn't out yet and you don't know when will it be out. After it's out there will still be some time required to assess its potential as an e-sport and overall quality as a game. Only then will we be able to ascertain if it's going to kill anything or fail hard. I, for one, am not the least bit interested in DotA2. I might be interested if they made something new with it and not DotA with better graphics. I've been playing DotA for years and welcomed HoN for its innovations. Um beta is out and there is a 6 month timetable for release... Dota and lol have 10x the playerbase and hon has been seeing a decline in player numbers despite going f2p. It is a poor decision on nasl part to back 3rd place out of a 3 game race.
Are you sure you know what decline means?
The fact that HoN has experienced the exact opposite of what you just said simply leads me to believe that you don't actually know what decline means.
Best part about HoN would be the special Lan client and the Spectator UI. Those are MAJOR selling points that Dota2 could definitely take a page from.
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They are probably getting paid to host HoN. That's why they are willing to do it, at worst it gives them more money to work on their production with, which in turn only helps the SC2 productions. Also, have you seen their recent showmatches? The production is finally where you would have wanted it when it started, it's going places.
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seriously, why are we adding a non starcraft 2 title to a starcraft 2 league? If you want to add it and change your name to the NAeSL That makes sense. But don't change the meaning of a star league.
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yeah, HoN is going to die soon so its no use.
Would've prefered DotA2. ( I'm thinking for the NASL )
but its their choice and i wish them luck
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