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On September 08 2011 07:56 gurrpp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 07:53 mdma-_- wrote:On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote:
Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches. how has dota still a lot of work to do before getting to hons level? I think he's referring to the observing UI and watchability. In that case he is correct. HoN has a far superior observing UI to what we saw at gamescom.
That's only because the commentators were bad at using the features and the AI bot didn't use them at all. Luminous showed off a ton of great spectator features on his cast of the finals.
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The only possible reasoning I see why NASL would to this is hon payed some huge bucks. HoN is in a really bad position to be huge in esports and is just trying to save its ass. Right now, with DotA 2 coming out, its gonna stomp hon to an esports grave where it never should have left.
I really hope its for only a single season. This game is.. well its ok for a pub game but its beyond pukefuck to be a solid esports game.
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I don't understand why people bash HoN and why people say it and LoL will die when Dota2 is released. I see this statement very often but never an argument. Personally I can't wait until the rage kids leave HoN and switch to Dota2.
Also, I think Blizzard has a lot to learn from S2 and it is amazing how much better S2 can do when they are such a small dev with limited resources compared to Valve or Blizzard.
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im not switching to dota 2 from hon.
i like hon :/
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North American Star League
>>HoN
I.. I just don't understand.
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On September 08 2011 16:24 Arkanthiel wrote:
North American Star League
>>HoN
I.. I just don't understand.
What is there to understand? HoN has extremely high skill level involved at the top of the game, there are many great teams and players, it has great potential as an e-sport overall.
Also, there are a lot of hype possibilities for the spectators and a lot of "Holy Shit!" moments. Basically, when the top teams are involved there's usually several awesome or beyond awesome plays in a game.
http://honcast.com/video/2011/07/09/honcast-top-10-plays-volume-10
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On September 08 2011 07:53 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote:
Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches. how has dota still a lot of work to do before getting to hons level?
In the same way that it will take a long time for SC2 players to reach Sc1 players surely? Dota 2 will be a new game, and the meta game will shift a huge amount before people know what is actually good, whereas HoN has been around for 2 years now. And the top teams have some great teamwork.
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On September 08 2011 13:16 gosublade wrote:
The only possible reasoning I see why NASL would to this is hon payed some huge bucks. HoN is in a really bad position to be huge in esports and is just trying to save its ass. Right now, with DotA 2 coming out, its gonna stomp hon to an esports grave where it never should have left.
I really hope its for only a single season. This game is.. well its ok for a pub game but its beyond pukefuck to be a solid esports game.
HoN is getting added to IPL, MLG and NASL. Dota2 isn't out yet, it's not a factor.
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On September 08 2011 18:45 Surili wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 07:53 mdma-_- wrote:On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote:
Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches. how has dota still a lot of work to do before getting to hons level? In the same way that it will take a long time for SC2 players to reach Sc1 players surely? Dota 2 will be a new game, and the meta game will shift a huge amount before people know what is actually good, whereas HoN has been around for 2 years now. And the top teams have some great teamwork.
The only meta-game shift will be backwards due to the smaller hero pool. All heroes and their respective numbers are exactly the same as the WC3 mod.
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On September 08 2011 18:45 Surili wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 07:53 mdma-_- wrote:On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote:
Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches. how has dota still a lot of work to do before getting to hons level? In the same way that it will take a long time for SC2 players to reach Sc1 players surely? Dota 2 will be a new game, and the meta game will shift a huge amount before people know what is actually good, whereas HoN has been around for 2 years now. And the top teams have some great teamwork.
No,
the meta game will be the exact same as the current dota, which has been around for 8 years lol.
It has an existing pro scene with teams that are inarguably higher skilled than hons teams. (many of the top hon players were average IHCS players)
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On September 08 2011 21:19 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 18:45 Surili wrote:On September 08 2011 07:53 mdma-_- wrote:On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote:
Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches. how has dota still a lot of work to do before getting to hons level? In the same way that it will take a long time for SC2 players to reach Sc1 players surely? Dota 2 will be a new game, and the meta game will shift a huge amount before people know what is actually good, whereas HoN has been around for 2 years now. And the top teams have some great teamwork. No, the meta game will be the exact same as the current dota, which has been around for 8 years lol. It has an existing pro scene with teams that are inarguably higher skilled than hons teams. (many of the top hon players were average IHCS players)
It depends on the scene though...specifically in NA every top DotA player is playing HoN, whereas Europe/Asia still plays a lot of DotA.
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On September 08 2011 17:05 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 16:24 Arkanthiel wrote:
North American Star League
>>HoN
I.. I just don't understand. What is there to understand? HoN has extremely high skill level involved at the top of the game, there are many great teams and players, it has great potential as an e-sport overall. Also, there are a lot of hype possibilities for the spectators and a lot of "Holy Shit!" moments. Basically, when the top teams are involved there's usually several awesome or beyond awesome plays in a game. http://honcast.com/video/2011/07/09/honcast-top-10-plays-volume-10
I would imagine he was refering to the Star bit referring to StarCraft.
I actually bought HoN, but I played it maybe twice. Always felt it was a poor choice (for me at least). The community was way too angsty / ragy for my taste. Maybe watching some of the top players will get me interested again.
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On September 08 2011 21:19 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 18:45 Surili wrote:On September 08 2011 07:53 mdma-_- wrote:On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote:
Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches. how has dota still a lot of work to do before getting to hons level? In the same way that it will take a long time for SC2 players to reach Sc1 players surely? Dota 2 will be a new game, and the meta game will shift a huge amount before people know what is actually good, whereas HoN has been around for 2 years now. And the top teams have some great teamwork. No, the meta game will be the exact same as the current dota, which has been around for 8 years lol. It has an existing pro scene with teams that are inarguably higher skilled than hons teams. (many of the top hon players were average IHCS players)
Meta game won't necessarily be the same. Different engine allowing you to do different things, as well as static damage on heroes as opposed to random range in WC3 can play pretty big factors.
Also, new players joining/switching might influence the meta-game too.
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NASL = North American Starcraft League
Their strategy does not at all align with their vision at all. When that happens it means a business has lost its purpose. If they are going to expand, they need to do it properly, but I can't see that happening when they already have quite a number of issues with their SC2 tournaments.
It would benefit them much more to run one SC2 tournament successfully, rather than run even more failed tournaments, thus increasing costs while losing their fan-base.
I think NASL is doomed to fail, they don't even understand their own purpose, which is probably why there is no coherence with their decision making in and out of SC2.
Considering they are called the North American Starcraft League, why not make it a National League rather than an International One?
Heres why
- Competition: There are way too many International Leagues, there are no high-budget National Leagues
-- In every other sport there is usually only very few international leagues and lots of national leagues, SC2 is the complete opposite, possibly from people trying to run the biggest tournament possible rather than trying to establish their local scene. Imagine if Soccer had 4 World Cup tournaments a year?!
-- Too many international leagues is destructive for the scene, as it becomes a race to the bottom, who can get the most korean contracts to their tournaments wins, instead of trying to develop local heroes.
- Lower costs
- Lower complexity (don't have to worry about Korean airfares and such)
- May generate a more supportive following
- They are called the North American Starcraft League, they have an opportunity to be the NBA of Starcraft rather than try and be the World Cup in a scene where there are many World Cups running every year.
My favorite foreign tournament has and will probably always be TSL 2. Why? It was all about the local heroes and established rivalries. Interviews were a lot more interesting, IdrA would complain about Protoss units that kill everything, and that his losses were because the other players weren't korean and therefore could not execute their strategies properly. NonY would guess his next round results, and they would come true every time.
Things like that will never happen if we keep running so many huge international tournaments, where players don't have a chance to be creative and establish a name for themselves in their respective countries.
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On September 09 2011 01:58 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 21:19 mdma-_- wrote:On September 08 2011 18:45 Surili wrote:On September 08 2011 07:53 mdma-_- wrote:On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote:
Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches. how has dota still a lot of work to do before getting to hons level? In the same way that it will take a long time for SC2 players to reach Sc1 players surely? Dota 2 will be a new game, and the meta game will shift a huge amount before people know what is actually good, whereas HoN has been around for 2 years now. And the top teams have some great teamwork. No, the meta game will be the exact same as the current dota, which has been around for 8 years lol. It has an existing pro scene with teams that are inarguably higher skilled than hons teams. (many of the top hon players were average IHCS players) Meta game won't necessarily be the same. Different engine allowing you to do different things, as well as static damage on heroes as opposed to random range in WC3 can play pretty big factors. Also, new players joining/switching might influence the meta-game too.
Yeah for example, people already said that Crystal Maiden's attack animation makes her easier to hit than before.
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On September 09 2011 02:07 sluggaslamoo wrote:
NASL = North American Starcraft League.
Just for clarifcation: NASL = North American Star League
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On September 08 2011 10:31 Theoren wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 07:56 gurrpp wrote:On September 08 2011 07:53 mdma-_- wrote:On September 08 2011 05:17 breakycpk wrote:
Very interesting reading a lot of the comments in here about the HoN and NASL announcement
Anyways, I am really looking forward too an awesome event and I will be sure to do what I can to make it as entertaining as possible for viewers to watch as I currently do with Honcast on a daily basis.
I also want people to remember that such an event like this is more about the spectator / entertainment side of it rather than you actually playing the game, and thus you should keep that in mind when discussing HoN being chosen over LoL (in my opinion a very slow and boring game to watch) and dota2 (still has a lot of work to do before getting on that level it can/will be).
Thanks for all the responses and I cannot wait to get this started! Also, I am a huge fan of SC2 so this made this move that much better for me as a fan in general as I have had the opportunity to meet gretorp as well as watch many of SC2 matches. how has dota still a lot of work to do before getting to hons level? I think he's referring to the observing UI and watchability. In that case he is correct. HoN has a far superior observing UI to what we saw at gamescom. That's only because the commentators were bad at using the features and the AI bot didn't use them at all. Luminous showed off a ton of great spectator features on his cast of the finals.
I still think HoN has a better interface. Dota2 has nice graphs and spectator features, but HoN also displays a ton of information on screen. Still, neither game has a bad spectator interface and dota2 will likely get more features over time.
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I hope they get breaky to commentate the games.
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dota 2 and league are going to eat you up.
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On September 09 2011 07:58 vitruvia wrote:
dota 2 and league are going to eat you up.
Constructive, relevant post if I've ever seen one. Not in any way flamebait.
On September 09 2011 05:46 alyselol wrote:
I hope they get breaky to commentate the games.
I agree, I hope breaky casts. He's one of the best casters in Esports in general imo
This one's the best one =D
http://honcast.com/video/2011/07/02/honcast-top-10-plays-ruthlessvoids-picks
It's got most of the best ones
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