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Canada4481 Posts
On June 19 2014 11:45 NihiLStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 11:35 SyNc` wrote:On June 19 2014 11:33 NihiLStarcraft wrote:On June 19 2014 10:36 SyNc` wrote:
Getting even 1 kill is a good enough reason for you to try something aggressive, assuming you don't lose a teammate in the process. Every team competing at a high level has a default strat where they split up and get map control on T side and try to get picks, and if they get a pick they set up for one of their strats.
I see. The reason why I did call it all-in is because I think it's still fairly high risk for the simple fact that you always gamble that Ts aren't rushing that same round. If they do and you don't happen to 'meet' them, the round is basically over as you now have 5 Ts camping on a planted bomb with your entire team being way out of position making a retake pretty much impossible. But when you expect Ts to play a default split/careful strat, then it absolutely makes sense of course. If they do end up rushing the round you play aggressive its still ok as long as you trade evenly. Hmm I'm not sure I follow/agree. Are we talking about the same thing? Example: CTs decide to rush long on Dust 2 while Ts happen to go for a B rush. CTs are rushing, rushing, rushing, nobody here and BAM! Bomb's planted in B just that second. Now we have a 5v5 with CTs WAY out of position giving Ts, who have full smokes and flashes (minus maybe one entry flash), more than enough time to get into a perfect position. Now, if Ts aren't completely incompetent, they should be able to defend even vs like 10 CTs given their position, the bomb timer ticking away, the initial distance of the CTs to the bomb and the fact that they can (double) smoke every entrance for like 20 sec pretty much. This is the worst case I was talking about where I feel like the CT rush gamble completely backfired. In that case I don't quite see what you mean with "it's okay as long as you trade evenly": how are you going to trade evenly when it's basically all 5 CTs funneling through a smoke getting mowed down by Ts from cover with advantage in every regard? (Note that my skepticism probably stems from the fact that I'm just playing at Silver/Low Gold Nova level where Ts are more prone to rushing I feel)
A 5v5 retake is much more possible than say a 3v5 retake because you guys played your default spots. If you played default spots (on dust2) like 2b 1 mid 2a, or 1b 1 mid 3a and they rush b, b site gets run over, guy mid goes to back up, he dies, suddenly it's 3v5. The remaining 3 proceed to walk into the site and get massacred too.
Now if instead you guys stacked long a, with nades even, and smoke mid doors so they don't know if anyone went b. You're taking a gamble that they go long a, and you'd profit if you throw 2-3 nades, maybe even all 5, and actually get them in the long doors. That's 1-2 kills easily, and on rare occasions the entire T team.
Like everyone else has said, these are for when you guys are on a save round. If you do this on a gun round, you're just asking to get massacred because if you keep pushing and go out long doors, now you guys are the ones coming through a choke point.
Finally, since you're saying this is nova 1/silver level, strats don't really matter because people rarely save, coordinate anything, and can't aim at that level. Work purely on your aim until maybe high gold novas and aks, then you can try some team work stuff. Hell, my friend who was AK2 still don't know/use proper crosshair placement (good thing he got demoted -_____- )
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On June 19 2014 14:20 Nagisama wrote:
Finally, since you're saying this is nova 1/silver level, strats don't really matter because people rarely save, coordinate anything, and can't aim at that level. Work purely on your aim until maybe high gold novas and aks, then you can try some team work stuff. Hell, my friend who was AK2 still don't know/use proper crosshair placement (good thing he got demoted -_____- )
This, entirely. Nihil i dont want to be rude but i've seen you in here posting videos of specific flashes, checking quickswitch times and asking random theorycraft questions. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with this and its only helpful to others /yourself but right now it isnt going to help you improve.
You're a lower rank then me and right now all i care about is "God fuck my aim is SO bad" i don't know more then 1 specific nade (exception a bouncing flash on mid inferno i never use and learnt idk where.) and have resigned to not bothering with them until i hit AK, because if my aim / mechanics (Map knowledge / awareness / crosshair placement etc, basic stuff) aren't good enough, i'm still shit anyway.
I would focus on that 
But seriously, my aim is so fucking bad.
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Thanks for the explanations. I'm not trying to improve through questions like that, just learn and understand the game more. It's a question I honestly had while watching Dreamhack more then when I'm playing. I know that it's not exactly relevant on my level.
Some of you misunderstood me, I was never talking about pushing a position as CT when it's clear etc., I was talking about a full-on 5 CT rush, good to have confirmed that that is indeed an eco/pistol round desperation move as I suspected.
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On June 19 2014 20:27 Nimix wrote:
It's just a mousepad
After learning vagabond is delayed more I don't think I could take this being a mousepad.
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On June 19 2014 15:29 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 14:20 Nagisama wrote:
Finally, since you're saying this is nova 1/silver level, strats don't really matter because people rarely save, coordinate anything, and can't aim at that level. Work purely on your aim until maybe high gold novas and aks, then you can try some team work stuff. Hell, my friend who was AK2 still don't know/use proper crosshair placement (good thing he got demoted -_____- ) This, entirely. Nihil i dont want to be rude but i've seen you in here posting videos of specific flashes, checking quickswitch times and asking random theorycraft questions. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with this and its only helpful to others /yourself but right now it isnt going to help you improve. You're a lower rank then me and right now all i care about is "God fuck my aim is SO bad" i don't know more then 1 specific nade (exception a bouncing flash on mid inferno i never use and learnt idk where.) and have resigned to not bothering with them until i hit AK, because if my aim / mechanics (Map knowledge / awareness / crosshair placement etc, basic stuff) aren't good enough, i'm still shit anyway. I would focus on that But seriously, my aim is so fucking bad.
I think there needs to be a distinguishing (don't know how to spell it) made between soloQ and pre made when it comes down to skill.
Lets take scenario A: nihil goes to play with 4 friends who are all LEM or higher, he will be a much bigger asset to the team then MG1 player becouse his aim is going to bring him nowhere.
scenario B: nihil goes to play soloQ, no team coordination. he will do much worse then the mg1 becouse he has better aim since tactics don't work.
but lets be honest, until somebody can shoot like f0rest we should all play aim maps 24/7
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Valve need to do add Compendium's for CS:GO for these crowd-funded events. CS:GO is big enough and is growing enough that it could easily get 500k+ tournaments.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On June 19 2014 11:40 KelsierSC wrote:
So is it bad to buy the desert eagle?
I usually sit on the bins in cs_office with a Deagle but I think I want to play the game more seriously and I don't know if the Deagle is a nooby gun.
in CSGO, it's literally the worst pistol to use. You're paying $800 for a gun with terrible first shot accuracy and the recoil is fucking insane compared to source and 1.6. You're better off buying the CZ which is actually quite broken for it's price, getting 1 kill with it and picking up their guns.
On June 19 2014 20:01 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Thanks for the explanations. I'm not trying to improve through questions like that, just learn and understand the game more. It's a question I honestly had while watching Dreamhack more then when I'm playing. I know that it's not exactly relevant on my level.
Some of you misunderstood me, I was never talking about pushing a position as CT when it's clear etc., I was talking about a full-on 5 CT rush, good to have confirmed that that is indeed an eco/pistol round desperation move as I suspected.
You do a full-on 5 CT rush in 2 scenarios. First, it's pistol round and you think Ts are going to rush 1 site immediately. So you rush a chokepoint at 1 site to engage them 5v5. 2nd scenario. You lost the pistol round and is about to do a cz+armor strat where everyone buys cz+armor to punish the Ts for buying SMGs. Any other time you're doing a 5 man rush is stupid since if Ts have guns, they'll just flat out punish your aggressiveness and change their play to take note of your impatience.
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On June 19 2014 22:37 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 11:40 KelsierSC wrote:
So is it bad to buy the desert eagle?
I usually sit on the bins in cs_office with a Deagle but I think I want to play the game more seriously and I don't know if the Deagle is a nooby gun. in CSGO, it's literally the worst pistol to use. You're paying $800 for a gun with terrible first shot accuracy and the recoil is fucking insane compared to source and 1.6. You're better off buying the CZ which is actually quite broken for it's price, getting 1 kill with it and picking up their guns.
Man i love this pistol. You can full with it
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
HAH, that's bullshit, the Deagle's first shot location is pure bullshit
*crys*
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On June 19 2014 23:45 amazingxkcd wrote:HAH, that's bullshit, the Deagle's first shot location is pure bullshit *crys*
mby stop moving when shooting
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Just pretend that you can only shoot once with the deagle and it'll become a lot easier to use. I pretend I'm looking for AK one clicks and I have a fair bit of success with long range one deags.
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On June 20 2014 00:01 farvacola wrote:
Just pretend that you can only shoot once with the deagle and it'll become a lot easier to use. I pretend I'm looking for AK one clicks and I have a fair bit of success with long range one deags.
Still not worth the investment a vast majority of the time IMO unless you're particularly good with it.
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Yeah deagle is a bit of a dice roll, like I buy it when we're ahead or really in deep shit so that I can get a kill on their awp if I'm lucky like mid on mirage. If you crouch it's actually decent as it'll kill armored people in 2 shots from close/medium range, and you can fire at a decent rate and precision if you're crouched. But if you play against skilled people it'll be really hard to get more than 2 shots in.
Lets be real tho, you buy it cause one clicking one of their players from afar on eco kicks ass. Especially if it's a sniper
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Yeah I would still recommend that most players refrain from going the deag route.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On June 19 2014 23:58 Qbek wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 23:45 amazingxkcd wrote:HAH, that's bullshit, the Deagle's first shot location is pure bullshit *crys* mby stop moving when shooting
implying im a silver player shooting while moving. It's if you sit crouching holding a corner, the gun will still literally miss and fail hard. I fucking hate this gun in csgo.
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It used to be much, much worse lol.
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