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Obscure
United States272 Posts
On August 27 2011 04:27 Newbistic wrote: Just curious, why is the Source engine awful? I haven't played source in a long time but when I did, the gun recoil, hitboxes, movement, the way grenades bounce, the barrels and other debris that push you away if you touch it, the sound and whatever else I forgot were all awful and just a step down from cs1.6. | ||
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r_con
United States824 Posts
On August 27 2011 04:38 Senx wrote: Its inability to create good games? css and now csgo seems to be enough evidance that no matter how hard valve tries this engine doesn't allow them to create a game that looks, feels and plays right. Or maybe its just valves incompetent developers, who knows, maybe there is something they've missed. Kind of weird though, considering its THEIR engine. the source engine is based off the half life engine, that is based off the original quake engine. You can still see remnants of it in how it handles some of the simpler stuff(like mouse input and player physics). I really don't see how the source engine is terrible, if your complaining about hit reg that is bull as the original half lifes is pretty bad as well. The source engine is fine, and i don't see peoples problems with the source engine. If your complaining about how they handle gamplay, well, that's not the engine. | ||
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Ideas
United States8180 Posts
On August 27 2011 04:38 Senx wrote: Its inability to create good games? css and now csgo seems to be enough evidance that no matter how hard valve tries this engine doesn't allow them to create a game that looks, feels and plays right. Or maybe its just valves incompetent developers, who knows, maybe there is something they've missed. Kind of weird though, considering its THEIR engine. so you dont like the HL2 games, L4D games, or TF2? have any developers made good shooters since 2001 in your opinion? lol | ||
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On August 27 2011 04:49 Ideas wrote: so you dont like the HL2 games, L4D games, or TF2? have any developers made good shooters since 2001 in your opinion? lol HL2 works because its a singleplayer game, the plastic feel that the source engine creates doesn't work for the multiplayer games you mention. Actually now that you mention it - no, because quake 3 was released in 99. I'm talking about competitive shooters btw, I couldn't care less about these pub games you mention.. thats not a topic of discussion. In the western world counter-strike has by far the richest history of competition, so please understand why I'm bitter and pissed off that valve has ignored and continues to ignore its success and just decided to make another generic pub shooter. | ||
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r_con
United States824 Posts
On August 27 2011 04:55 Senx wrote: HL2 works because its a singleplayer game, the plastic feel that the source engine creates doesn't work for the multiplayer games you mention. Actually now that you mention it - no, because quake 3 was released in 99. I'm talking about competitive shooters btw, I couldn't care less about these pub games you mention.. thats not a topic of discussion. This sounds vague, and has little to do with the engine. What game has ANYONE released in the past 6-7 years that is competition worthy? I can't think of one, so bitching about the engine seems like a bad thing to start bitching about | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On August 27 2011 04:58 r_con wrote: This sounds vague, and has little to do with the engine. What game has ANYONE released in the past 6-7 years that is competition worthy? I can't think of one, so bitching about the engine seems like a bad thing to start bitching about ? The engine is practicly what we play on, it seems perfectly reasonable to start there. But you're right, the competitive shooters are dying. Quake live is practicly dead, CS 1.6 is on its last legs. Every developer makes pub shooters these days, they just want to make some quick cash from 12 year old kid who likes having achievements in their profile. This was valves chance to unite the counter-strike scene, and their way of doing that was to make it for console and port it to PC. I've watched professional CS since 2001 so its really sad to realize that the entire FPS scene is about to die out and that we'll be stuck with RTS and MOBAS. Some of the biggest gaming organizations in the world are built around their allstar counter-stike team, pulling in huge attention from fans/sponsors and money from events. What will happen to these orgs when there's no tournaments for their teams to attend? Hell even the esport scene itself is in danger when this happens. | ||
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On August 27 2011 04:49 Ideas wrote: so you dont like the HL2 games, L4D games, or TF2? have any developers made good shooters since 2001 in your opinion? lol Sure, but if you have played 1.6, then you would know what we are referring to. The Source engine is wonderful for L4D/TF2 and even HL2 DM, but it's janky in the sense that going from 1.6 to Source is like going from real tools to Fisher Price imitations for mechanics. To condemn the entire Engine though is short-sighted. The Source engine for all it's faults is capable of good games, just not in the tradition of 1.6. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
Sort of like BW. 1.6 is good because it very strict in a quake sort of way. If the end product of csgo is close to how it is now it will not have a stable competitive scene. There really needs to be no random bullet spread and sharp accuracy for CSgo to be something I am interested in buying. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 27 2011 07:43 Eppa! wrote: Which is why it still does infinitely better in competitive play than 30 million dollar games with more realism and better graphics like Black Ops?I think people are overrating 1.6 power, it is good for indie production, guns have a terrible feeling, its incredibly unrealistic and graphically its terrible. Sort of like BW. 1.6 is good because it very strict in a quake sort of way. If the end product of csgo is close to how it is now it will not have a stable competitive scene. There really needs to be no random bullet spread and sharp accuracy for CSgo to be something I am interested in buying. The bullet spread in 1.6 isn't random at all. That's precisely why it's done so well and has a high skill ceiling, unlike MW1/2/BO which have no recoil at all and much worse netcode.Valve has made the Source engine work for L4D and TF2 but the current CSGO footage looks as sloppy as CSS. It's a bit hilarious that you compare it to BW. Everything you mentioned is exactly why CS1.6 is the strongest competitive FPS to date and why BW remains to the strongest competitive game in the world. CSGO will have a huge competitive scene if it can recapture 1.6 players. If they just get the margins of Source players, it'll go nowhere. | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
Imagine, a remake of a game that they already remade in this same engine. | ||
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WinteRR
Australia201 Posts
Also when 1.6 first came out (in a standard response by the CS community) EVERYONE whinged about it being 'terrible' and 'never being able to replace 1.5' yet now its exalted amongst the fps community. It's just sad that the players have just devolved into a mindless rabble that do not consider all the circumstances of CS:GO. Give it a chance for fucks sake (even if some of it doesn't look GREAT). The fact that Valve are aiming for esports and asking for pro-players opinion is something you cannot take lightly. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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Steveh
United States112 Posts
On August 27 2011 12:06 WinteRR wrote: I love how everyone is just making absurd judgements on a game that isn't even out of alpha. What's even funnier is that 95% of you guys probably weren't even around for the beta of the original CS.. it was one of the most broken games you'll ever see. Also when 1.6 first came out (in a standard response by the CS community) EVERYONE whinged about it being 'terrible' and 'never being able to replace 1.5' yet now its exalted amongst the fps community. It's just sad that the players have just devolved into a mindless rabble that do not consider all the circumstances of CS:GO. Give it a chance for fucks sake (even if some of it doesn't look GREAT). The fact that Valve are aiming for esports and asking for pro-players opinion is something you cannot take lightly. wanna trade won id's? but this guys got a point. riot shields, galils, famas, new map textures, all the initial steam problems (i remember signing up for steam and getting my 5 dig, gives you cs cred when someone thinks you hack), there were bring back 1.5 petitions being made every second. however, 1.6 wasn't as riddled with competition-killing problems that source brought which ended up severely crippling the scene. i welcome cs:go if its the modern transition from 1.6 us competitive players never had and always wanted, even if it is too late. | ||
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Looms
United States4624 Posts
On August 27 2011 12:24 Jibba wrote: A lot of people still consider 1.5 to be better than 1.6, and certainly the current form of 1.6 with the neutered AWP. I've heard many skilled players argue that 1.3 is even better than both too. However, it was a much different game then. I agree that 1.5 > 1.6 also. | ||
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WinteRR
Australia201 Posts
Reading HLTV.org reactions just hurts my brain. Sooo many senseless posts crying about CS:GO. They don't even realize the end is nigh for the once dominant 1.6  | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 27 2011 12:36 Looms wrote: I've heard many skilled players argue that 1.3 is even better than both too. However, it was a much different game then. I agree that 1.5 > 1.6 also. 1.3 was a much less strategic game, partly because of the speed with +move and increased accuracy on the run, but also because the game hadn't developed as much and smokes weren't allowed in competition yet (bug that crashed clients) and flashes worked differently. It's sort of hard to compare, but 1.5 and 1.6 were fairly close. | ||
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