EPTI gradually switched over the first year as I really felt it was not possible for me to be precise with such a high sens and just my wrist movements. It's relatively easy, but there are a few requirements, namely not having a health condition (heh), having enough space on your desk/bed/wherever you play and having a mousepad big enough (I feel like mine is starting to be too small for the sens I use).
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
I gradually switched over the first year as I really felt it was not possible for me to be precise with such a high sens and just my wrist movements. It's relatively easy, but there are a few requirements, namely not having a health condition (heh), having enough space on your desk/bed/wherever you play and having a mousepad big enough (I feel like mine is starting to be too small for the sens I use). | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On December 12 2016 19:34 Ragnarork wrote: I personally did the switch. When I started CS I had an extremely high sens, that I used to play with in other FPS like Battlefield or solo games. I gradually switched over the first year as I really felt it was not possible for me to be precise with such a high sens and just my wrist movements. It's relatively easy, but there are a few requirements, namely not having a health condition (heh), having enough space on your desk/bed/wherever you play and having a mousepad big enough (I feel like mine is starting to be too small for the sens I use). Well, now playing 10 years with high sense (not only in FPS, but also in RTS and other games) I dont even have these requirements. While my wrists should be much better (no Tennis anymore, much less handwriting) now, I dont own a mousepad and my desk space is "optimized" for my small movement window. It is obviously possible to change your sense in any way with some training and time. But aslong you have fun with what sense you have you should keep it. Losing because you dont hit shots with high sense as also healh problems due to very low sense can reduce your fun and thus you need to adjust. But gaming is a hobby, aslong you are happy, your sense is the right one. Hell, I even experimented with mouse acceleration. But that went terrible wrong. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 12 2016 15:58 Nixer wrote: I even bolded parts of my post to make it clearer what I meant so I'm not really sure why you're having trouble understanding what I meant. I was speaking hypothetically. It depends. I guess I was just looking for some sort of value that point was adding to the conversation. Answering someones situation with a hypothetical that doesnt apply to him and is something he is aware of is kinda of a nothing comment. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
So that's not a worthless comment. I think there's some overthinking going on there.  | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 13 2016 01:40 Ragnarork wrote: He just said a general statement and then commented on his situation specifically as a "in your case may not apply, but otherwise it's possible". So that's not a worthless comment. I think there's some overthinking going on there. There is no scenario in which your wrist is damaged where lowering your sense is beneficial. None. There is no way practical way to avoid wrist flicks or "train" yourself into using just your arm and a straight hand, if you do that with a low sense you will need a pool table to walk around to make a turn. So the hypothetical is incorrect to begin with, nor did it address his specific situation accurately. Wrist issues arent a new thing. The work around has always been a higher sensitivity at the cost of less stability and accuracy. Which is what Clonestar is already doing so its alright. | ||
Nixer
2774 Posts
If you're having legitimate wrist problems you probably shouldn't be using a mouse at all, if possible that is, but instead actually taking care of it by doing certain regiments, therapy or simply resting depending on the issue and how severe it is. Certain people have circumvented RSI, talking about the standard type of wrist RSI here of course, by focusing on making minimal wrist movements. Which makes perfect sense, right? One way to do that is to lower your sensitivity so that it no longer makes much sense to use mainly wrist movements. Not an actual solution but in a roundabout way can work. It's just a tip that has worked for somebody and I honestly don't know why you seemingly are so worked up about it. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Like i feel really bad at it, it may work when i concentrate purely on it and think about it hard, but i cant do that in fights or when i need to focus on "enemy might come here", you know in competetive for example. So when i spray the spray pattern goes anywhere, feels really bad. Like when you are supposed to move the mouse down when spraying , icant even do that properly. So without firing the gun, i cant even move the mouse from A to B consistently, the mouse moves up and down so its not straight.. Is this me or are humans bad at this in general? What about you guys, are you good at this? If so, how did you get good at it? If you are unsure and havent thought about it, i guess you can go into paint program where you paintand try and draaw straight lines. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 13 2016 04:06 Nixer wrote: bzzt. You don't think discussion about something in general isn't worthwhile instead of directly addressing somebody with specific relevant information. Like what? If you're having legitimate wrist problems you probably shouldn't be using a mouse at all, if possible that is, but instead actually taking care of it by doing certain regiments, therapy or simply resting depending on the issue and how severe it is. Certain people have circumvented RSI, talking about the standard type of wrist RSI here of course, by focusing on making minimal wrist movements. Which makes perfect sense, right? One way to do that is to lower your sensitivity so that it no longer makes much sense to use mainly wrist movements. Not an actual solution but in a roundabout way can work. It's just a tip that has worked for somebody and I honestly don't know why you seemingly are so worked up about it. I mean pointing out something wrong isnt really getting worked up, but sure. Again your advice regarding limiting wrist movement by lowering sense isnt practical advice because lowering sense doesnt translate to lowering wrist movement. The whole point of lowering sense to get stability is that within small and expansive movements of the wrist itself. The arm comes into play only for aiming wider. So its not a solution. People might think that it is. Its not. if it was a solution then guys like Guardian wouldnt be playing 4.1 sense to combat their wrist issues. I wish someone had told them that actually lowering sense is the answer. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19264 Posts
On December 13 2016 02:39 Rebs wrote: There is no scenario in which your wrist is damaged where lowering your sense is beneficial. None. There is no way practical way to avoid wrist flicks or "train" yourself into using just your arm and a straight hand, if you do that with a low sense you will need a pool table to walk around to make a turn. So the hypothetical is incorrect to begin with, nor did it address his specific situation accurately. Wrist issues arent a new thing. The work around has always been a higher sensitivity at the cost of less stability and accuracy. Which is what Clonestar is already doing so its alright. the work around has been strengthening the wrist by exercising it. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 13 2016 06:24 tofucake wrote: the work around has been strengthening the wrist by exercising it. Thats not a work around. Thats a solution :p | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On December 13 2016 06:27 Rebs wrote: Thats not a work around. Thats a solution :p Honestly, thanks for the laugh. | ||
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Nixer
2774 Posts
On December 13 2016 06:19 Rebs wrote: I mean pointing out something wrong isnt really getting worked up, but sure. Again your advice regarding limiting wrist movement by lowering sense isnt practical advice because lowering sense doesnt translate to lowering wrist movement. The whole point of lowering sense to get stability is that within small and expansive movements of the wrist itself. The arm comes into play only for aiming wider. So its not a solution. People might think that it is. Its not. if it was a solution then guys like Guardian wouldnt be playing 4.1 sense to combat their wrist issues. I wish someone had told them that actually lowering sense is the answer. Wasn't the point to be preventive not what to do during an injury? Only Guardian didn't have typical RSI, his injury was different. Your counterpoint is pretty much null. Fair enough though, you might be right. Best solution is to cut off arm I'm sure. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7197 Posts
On December 13 2016 06:19 Rebs wrote: I mean pointing out something wrong isnt really getting worked up, but sure. Again your advice regarding limiting wrist movement by lowering sense isnt practical advice because lowering sense doesnt translate to lowering wrist movement. The whole point of lowering sense to get stability is that within small and expansive movements of the wrist itself. The arm comes into play only for aiming wider. So its not a solution. People might think that it is. Its not. if it was a solution then guys like Guardian wouldnt be playing 4.1 sense to combat their wrist issues. I wish someone had told them that actually lowering sense is the answer. Didn't Guardian have some sort of injury from football or something similar, rather than the standard RSI stuff. | ||
TheEmulator
28103 Posts
On December 13 2016 16:15 Nixer wrote: Wasn't the point to be preventive not what to do during an injury? Only Guardian didn't have typical RSI, his injury was different. Your counterpoint is pretty much null. Fair enough though, you might be right. Best solution is to cut off arm I'm sure. It's honestly not the worst solution xD | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 13 2016 16:15 Nixer wrote: Wasn't the point to be preventive not what to do during an injury? Only Guardian didn't have typical RSI, his injury was different. Your counterpoint is pretty much null. Fair enough though, you might be right. Best solution is to cut off arm I'm sure. It doesnt matter if its RSI or something else it still applies, the same goes for preventative measures, its not a question of me possibly being right. The strain factor doesnt change either, you can dance around it but there is no grey area here lol. Your advice was bad and could make people hurt themselves, think about that and reflect. + Show Spoiler + Or better yet try this an exercise, lower your sense eh sayyy like 4/5 on windows and 1 ingame, .. and then dont use your wrist at all. Then play anything for 5 minutes. Heck screw playing just browse the internet, If you dont move your wrist at all your arm will drop like a limp dick after 3 minutes of fatigue. And believe it or not, it will still put a strain on your wrist, because you know where the strain from keeping the arm steady goes ? Bingo. Its ok to make suggestions but its clear you have no experience with this suggestion nor did you understand it, nor did you think it through. Its a terrible hill to die on. . | ||
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Nixer
2774 Posts
I did want it to seem like I advocated injuries as I've previously at least implied that with issues you shouldn't use your wrist at all. | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule19264 Posts
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biollmax1984
United States4 Posts
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
And then when i follow our guy to one bombsite, the other one gets planted. Then we die 1v2 when we move there. And they get so mad. Infact they got mad when Terrorist planted the bomb and wanted to kick me. If YOU want to play ONE STRAT AND ONE STRAT ONLY, then you are at fault. 1b 1a Or leaving one bombsite alone works aswell but nah, lets get mad and kick me instead, on top of this i had double kills than the second on team, i got us many rounds. Dunno the rank but this idiocy is on every level. I do just fine without having mic on for me or my teammates. The idiocy in mic is just to much for me aswell. They either talk none-stop, or they tell you how to play, or they flame you when you make a mistake. Thats 90% the case tbh. | ||
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