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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I think we're at a point where a good number of people have the theoretical minimum survivability and DPS to kill Atziri w/o the RF, buzzsaw build, but its just that very few have the skill or knowledge to do it without dying. Won't be surprised to see people doing Atziri with absolutely terrible or normal builds in a month or two. That being said, here is a picture of my potato. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.diygamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/sexy-potato.jpg) Did you think I was going to post me killing Atziri? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
the boss trio before her is more annoying than atziri herself, | ||
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vndestiny
Singapore3441 Posts
On April 24 2014 19:52 Probemicro wrote: any with decent dps plus 77 resist+phoenix mosaic shield+5000plus life and some flasks can do normal atiziri easily with some micro, no swap needed the boss trio before her is more annoying than atziri herself, This is the hardest part for me on a potato  | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 24 2014 19:52 Probemicro wrote: any with decent dps plus 77 resist+phoenix mosaic shield+5000plus life and some flasks can do normal atiziri easily with some micro, no swap needed the boss trio before her is more annoying than atziri herself, You still need the reactions and mechanics. I'm going to make up some numbers here: (emphasis on making up) 1. Assume you take 10 minutes to kill Atziri with your DPS 2. Assume you are pretty good at dodging her, but you still get hit 1/20 times, which works out to be once every 10 seconds 3. Assume that you are sufficiently tanky that 1/10 of her hits are actually a problem and can one shot you. With these completely made up numbers, it means Atziri will hit you an estimated 30 times, and if there's a 1 in 10 chance of her 1-shotting you, then on average you would die 3 times in this situation. I feel that its really a game of statistics and probabilities once you've reached a certain level of tankiness. | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On April 25 2014 00:54 ticklishmusic wrote: You still need the reactions and mechanics. I'm going to make up some numbers here: (emphasis on making up) 1. Assume you take 10 minutes to kill Atziri with your DPS 2. Assume you are pretty good at dodging her, but you still get hit 1/20 times, which works out to be once every 10 seconds 3. Assume that you are sufficiently tanky that 1/10 of her hits are actually a problem and can one shot you. With these completely made up numbers, it means Atziri will hit you an estimated 30 times, and if there's a 1 in 10 chance of her 1-shotting you, then on average you would die 3 times in this situation. I feel that its really a game of statistics and probabilities once you've reached a certain level of tankiness. thats whys say "some micro"  we are living in a probabilistic universe anyway, not just PoE. if someone takes 10 minute to kill atziri, are you going to straight assume he fails cause statistics says so, ignoring factors like skill/micro level? dont forget her normal flameblast will not hurt you much with the 77 fire/phoenix shield/5000 life setup, you only to focus on dodging her stormcall and that twin gigantic flameblast. and if you are playing SC/ambush you can still afford to die once in a while anyway yeah obviously someone using shav/COE build is gonna kill her so fast anyway, just talking normal atziri here | ||
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Varanice
United States1517 Posts
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On April 25 2014 16:33 Varanice wrote: So. why dont people use ice wall to block the summons from getting to atziri? seems like a perfect use of ice wall for once. cant tell if sarcastic | ||
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IMR
70 Posts
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Miragee
8629 Posts
I think he is right. The thing is, those things evolve slowly because everyone is doing the same things that the first one was doing on his successful run which is far from perfect/effecient. That's the reason why it took most people ages to realise that using EE triggers with SB would be good. Or to use SB+Ice Nova (EE) to kill the Atziri waves faster. I think the right usage of Icewall with faster casting and increased duration could help to let 0 minions reach atziri. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On April 25 2014 20:59 Miragee wrote: I think he is right. The thing is, those things evolve slowly because everyone is doing the same things that the first one was doing on his successful run which is far from perfect/effecient. That's the reason why it took most people ages to realise that using EE triggers with SB would be good. Or to use SB+Ice Nova (EE) to kill the Atziri waves faster. I think the right usage of Icewall with faster casting and increased duration could help to let 0 minions reach atziri. I mean, people used EE with SB since before it was even a functional skill. I suspect that was more the fact that people don't travel to that area of the skill tree than not understanding it. I think people avoid ice wall because it's taking seconds (0.6-0.86x3-4 cast times to do anything stinks) you could be using to DPS down the summons and requiring gem links that are already sucked up by other critical gear. You'd need increased duration+blood magic+faster casting to make it useful, which is a 4L most just don't have the space for especially RF which has the most downtime. It also can't be used to create a square without running around a lot because there's no vector targeting. | ||
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Varanice
United States1517 Posts
On April 25 2014 22:20 TheTenthDoc wrote: I mean, people used EE with SB since before it was even a functional skill. I suspect that was more the fact that people don't travel to that area of the skill tree than not understanding it. I think people avoid ice wall because it's taking seconds (0.6-0.86x3-4 cast times to do anything stinks) you could be using to DPS down the summons and requiring gem links that are already sucked up by other critical gear. You'd need increased duration+blood magic+faster casting to make it useful, which is a 4L most just don't have the space for especially RF which has the most downtime. It also can't be used to create a square without running around a lot because there's no vector targeting. weapon swap to a random 4L with ice wall + increased duration + faster casting + spell totem = profit? cast directly on Atziri so the walls are being casted out toward the minions. spend 1 second to forcefield minions seems good? i dunno. i mean unless you're using your swap for something else? So I dont want to admit this, but I actually have a lot of experience with Ice wall + spell totem, (Mostly from killing normal Piety with a level 45 CI EB character as a challenge/dare/bet.) The totem casts the ice wall centered on the closest mob, pushing it back a little, and then it will keep casting on the closest mob. If there is only 1 mob this has the effect of essentially "pushing" back the mob until the mob is out of the range of the totems casting area, which in the case of the atziri room should be more than enough. a totem can keep like 7-8 walls up at a time or so. | ||
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Nocticate
Vatican City State2902 Posts
On April 25 2014 22:20 TheTenthDoc wrote: I mean, people used EE with SB since before it was even a functional skill. I suspect that was more the fact that people don't travel to that area of the skill tree than not understanding it. I think people avoid ice wall because it's taking seconds (0.6-0.86x3-4 cast times to do anything stinks) you could be using to DPS down the summons and requiring gem links that are already sucked up by other critical gear. You'd need increased duration+blood magic+faster casting to make it useful, which is a 4L most just don't have the space for especially RF which has the most downtime. It also can't be used to create a square without running around a lot because there's no vector targeting. You could use Vaal Glacial Hammer+inc dur (+BM/FA?), cast on the ground and then either leap slap or lightning warm out. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On April 26 2014 02:30 Varanice wrote: weapon swap to a random 4L with ice wall + increased duration + faster casting + spell totem = profit? cast directly on Atziri so the walls are being casted out toward the minions. spend 1 second to forcefield minions seems good? i dunno. i mean unless you're using your swap for something else? So I dont want to admit this, but I actually have a lot of experience with Ice wall + spell totem, (Mostly from killing normal Piety with a level 45 CI EB character as a challenge/dare/bet.) The totem casts the ice wall centered on the closest mob, pushing it back a little, and then it will keep casting on the closest mob. If there is only 1 mob this has the effect of essentially "pushing" back the mob until the mob is out of the range of the totems casting area, which in the case of the atziri room should be more than enough. a totem can keep like 7-8 walls up at a time or so. I mean, I would have to see if the spell totem will actually work with the number of mobs in question and the nasty cast speed penalty since most uber-capable builds don't have any to speak of. You also need blood magic to use it with that mana multipliers for most uber Atziri builds I think, so it's a 5L if you want to use faster casting. Who knows, maybe it does work, it just doesn't seem worth the intellectual energy for something that's usually just a DPS check. | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
weapon swap can mess up someone's aura depending on their build, just saying. and from what I see most build that challenge atziri really should not have much of an issue dps-ing down the minions, so why for waste a precious 4L in your gear just for ice wall unless you are somehow specifically geared for it right at the start. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Varanice
United States1517 Posts
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Varanice
United States1517 Posts
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vndestiny
Singapore3441 Posts
On April 27 2014 18:53 Varanice wrote: played solo in the 1h fracture race, died in 10th overall 2nd witch with 9 minutes left in Sins to a desync. :/ Fracture is literally only a difficult mod because of desync qq I still rmb the first Fracture race ever with you and Eschaton, where that was probably the highest rank I ever reached during a race, only to died to the Spider in Sin cause desync ;_;. | ||
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Varanice
United States1517 Posts
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