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Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
November 25 2013 04:11 GMT
#11881
I'm pretty sure you can kill Gravicius easily with a ranger in ~5 mins with a good mirrored ruby ring and some regen on your gear. Apparently he gives at least 300k xp, which is better xp/min than full clearing cruel. Nugi or Fleep will likely get it next race.

I farm the two zone right after the Brute because zombie/cannibal density is insane, then full clear merciless. But apparently it's pretty easy to not even hit 22 that way.
Invoker
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium686 Posts
November 25 2013 07:04 GMT
#11882
I hate Dominus.
Literally I do.
Only reason I'm not playing this game anymore.
There is no fate, but what we make.
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
November 25 2013 12:57 GMT
#11883
Note to self:
don't try playing any characters in hardcore leagues late at night.
was so close to losing my scion in a3 sewers to a fractured discharger along with a pack of blue dischargers that might have been quick or increased damage. those things hurt like hell and I didn't really realize what was happening until I was almost dead. I don't think I moused over the rare mob until it was at like 1/10 HP. Things went downhill from there. Barely alt-f4'd in time. Nemesis can be such a scary place sometimes.
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Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
November 25 2013 22:22 GMT
#11884
Just reached Act 2 in Nemesis on Cruel difficulty. When should I start getting Stun protection? My Ranger is squishy so I cant become stunned or I RIP
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
November 25 2013 22:28 GMT
#11885
On November 26 2013 07:22 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Just reached Act 2 in Nemesis on Cruel difficulty. When should I start getting Stun protection? My Ranger is squishy so I cant become stunned or I RIP

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by stun protection but Iron Reflexes + Unwavering Stance is win.
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Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 22:43:19
November 25 2013 22:42 GMT
#11886
On November 26 2013 07:28 Nub4ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 07:22 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Just reached Act 2 in Nemesis on Cruel difficulty. When should I start getting Stun protection? My Ranger is squishy so I cant become stunned or I RIP

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by stun protection but Iron Reflexes + Unwavering Stance is win.


I am hearing about enemy's like the web spinner who can completely immobilize players using stun attacks and was wondering if these enemy's use stun cruel or not so I can plan my build accordingly.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 25 2013 22:48 GMT
#11887
Cruel and Merciless are identical to normal, excepting that obviously damage values are much higher.

Anything can stun you if it does enough damage. One way to mitigate that is simply having a very high life pool (or some serious damage reduction) which will make the stun shorter or not happen in some circumstances. Another way is to get stun immunity (Unwavering stance traditionally, eye of chayula if you must).

Getting unwavering when you can is always good but just getting a ton of life and other survivability is probably good enough if your build would be too stretched to get Unwavering now. By around act 2 merciless is when it becomes pretty critical to have stun immunity if your build needs it.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 23:02:10
November 25 2013 22:51 GMT
#11888
On November 26 2013 07:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
Cruel and Merciless are identical to normal, excepting that obviously damage values are much higher.

Anything can stun you if it does enough damage. One way to mitigate that is simply having a very high life pool (or some serious damage reduction) which will make the stun shorter or not happen in some circumstances. Another way is to get stun immunity (Unwavering stance traditionally, eye of chayula if you must).

Getting unwavering when you can is always good but just getting a ton of life and other survivability is probably good enough if your build would be too stretched to get Unwavering now. By around act 2 merciless is when it becomes pretty critical to have stun immunity if your build needs it.


small nit pick: stun duration is a fixed amount. It can be reduced by the affix increased block and stun recovery, but the damage increases the chance of being stuned; not the amount of time you are stunned. Having more maximum health will reduce your chance of being stunned, but it is a binary relation where you are stunned or you aren't. You have a 50% chance to avoid being stunned if you have energy shield as well (even if it is removed by the attack). This is rolled only if the attack would have stunned you.

On November 26 2013 07:42 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 07:28 Nub4ever wrote:
On November 26 2013 07:22 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Just reached Act 2 in Nemesis on Cruel difficulty. When should I start getting Stun protection? My Ranger is squishy so I cant become stunned or I RIP

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by stun protection but Iron Reflexes + Unwavering Stance is win.


I am hearing about enemy's like the web spinner who can completely immobilize players using stun attacks and was wondering if these enemy's use stun cruel or not so I can plan my build accordingly.


There are only two enemies that completely immobilize you; the unique monster Perpetus in City of Sarn who has Bear Trap (The other is a rogue exile with bear trap). Even with zero stun recovery you're only stunned for 350 milliseconds so it really isn't the end of the world; you just have to pay attention and make sure that you don't get surrounded and overwhelmed, especially if your build has been relying on kiting to stay alive.

The weaver fight itself is pretty trivial with a granite flask. There are enough add spawns that you can maintain 100% granite uptime and it should provide enough mitigation that you won't be stunned; at least on cruel. That said, you do need a good enough AoE ability to constantly clear the spider for this to work.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-26 02:33:57
November 26 2013 02:30 GMT
#11889
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. Holy shit, RIP. Undying grappler. Didn't have time to check mods before I died. Only had 33% lightning res. I hate my life so badly.
I had about 1.1k life and was at about 800 HP though. So much fucking damage.
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Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
November 26 2013 03:00 GMT
#11890
The RNG is strong with this one.
Got 5th, 1st, 7th Duelist. Never had a 2nd iron ring or magic weapon. Never had anything useful, really.

Nocticate, I assume that was in nemesis/normal? I don't think I've ever been hit above 500 there, but it sounds entirely possible. Those things are way out of line, mostly due to the randomness of lightning damage. 300-500 fire damage is manageable, but 1-800 lightning is dumb. I'm not certain that's really how it works for mobs, but it sure feels like it.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-26 03:35:40
November 26 2013 03:35 GMT
#11891
Its also why Gravicius<<<<<<<Piety<<<Dominus

Mo' lightning mo' problems
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-26 04:03:17
November 26 2013 04:01 GMT
#11892
On November 26 2013 12:00 Pwere wrote:
The RNG is strong with this one.
Got 5th, 1st, 7th Duelist. Never had a 2nd iron ring or magic weapon. Never had anything useful, really.

Nocticate, I assume that was in nemesis/normal? I don't think I've ever been hit above 500 there, but it sounds entirely possible. Those things are way out of line, mostly due to the randomness of lightning damage. 300-500 fire damage is manageable, but 1-800 lightning is dumb. I'm not certain that's really how it works for mobs, but it sure feels like it.

Nemesis. I think it might have had extra damage, though I'm not sure if that affects Discharge. I just stared at the screen for a little while and res'd. RNGG.
I've rerolled, going for another EK build but this time a more ES-oriented one, although I did love Arctic Armor quite dearly.
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Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
November 26 2013 06:23 GMT
#11893
I was hoping someone here could give me a price check on this bow I found earlier today. It seems like it's good but I honestly have no idea for sure. It's ilvl59 as well.

[image loading]
Not bad for a cat toy.
ZoRoXo
Profile Joined February 2010
Norway268 Posts
November 26 2013 14:31 GMT
#11894
12min 11 sec to kill brutus in the fixed race. New personal record for me :D

Still lost though, rng didn't really like me after that. hit merveil at roughly 22, but terrible gear/resist, so had to sell my transmute and alt just to get more tp's Didn't kill before 25 min. Then even with 2x iron rings I couldn't get a 2hander strong enough to oneshot whites in sins1 until 55 mins in.
sprættemætute
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
November 26 2013 15:43 GMT
#11895
On November 26 2013 11:30 Nocticate wrote:
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. Holy shit, RIP. Undying grappler. Didn't have time to check mods before I died. Only had 33% lightning res. I hate my life so badly.
I had about 1.1k life and was at about 800 HP though. So much fucking damage.

Dont feel sad mate, the maru i lost had 3,5k hp and like 50% resi, but when they split and discharge, bad things tend to happen :D.
You are right, dont play at night when you cant concentrate and/or after lots of work.
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
autechr3
Profile Joined May 2013
United States58 Posts
November 26 2013 17:34 GMT
#11896
On November 27 2013 00:43 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 11:30 Nocticate wrote:
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. Holy shit, RIP. Undying grappler. Didn't have time to check mods before I died. Only had 33% lightning res. I hate my life so badly.
I had about 1.1k life and was at about 800 HP though. So much fucking damage.

Dont feel sad mate, the maru i lost had 3,5k hp and like 50% resi, but when they split and discharge, bad things tend to happen :D.
You are right, dont play at night when you cant concentrate and/or after lots of work.


Definitely learned that lesson the hard way. If you're tired, just go trade or theorycraft something, not worth dying. As for resists, I never progress unless i'm capped now. Granted, being my 5th char, i have lots of res gear saved.
You can't not rax as terran
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 26 2013 17:41 GMT
#11897
Well, A1 practically all you need is cap cold (and just run by Kuduku). Fire and lightning only really happen in prisoners gate and you can just play carefully there. A2 gets a lot hairier but if its merci you can just farm fellshrine for a while (rares from blue/yellow mobs are chaos-recipe useful) until you grab some cheap res gear.
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Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
November 26 2013 18:19 GMT
#11898
If I understand it right, the DoT change actually makes Poison Arrow builds viable.
With a +bow gem, you'd have ~6-800 base DoT. You can efficiently get +125% projectile damage from the tree, along with concentrated effect for another 70% more damage, and possibly point blank + that unique Maraketh bow for another 50% and 100% more damage. That's about 11x damage, or x4 at long range/if point blank doesn't work, with no reflect, and the potential for 40% more with Vulnerability.

Is there anything else that could possibly affect it, and is that enough damage?

Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
November 26 2013 18:25 GMT
#11899
I like how the new degen changes are looking right now. (http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/650913)

Especially the buff to Righteous Fire which is such an interesting skill. I'm really considering making an RF build with either EK or Incinerate though I'm worried that without some Dousing flasks and a lot of fire res, it's nowhere near HC viable.
My idea is that since EK and the new RF both benefit from "increased damage" (and I think RF might now benefit from increased fire damage but I'll have to ascertain that post-patch I guess) that I can not only double dip there, but RF provides a massive increase to EK damage as well. Not only that, but EK with added fire and chance to ignite, both of which can be gotten pretty early by Witch and Templar, can benefit from the damage increases to Righteous Fire. I stopped seriously considering Marauder as an option for this build but Scion might be able to do it. Witch and Templar seem like they have the two best starting spots for it though. I'm not totally sure.
Some people are theorycrafting pure RF builds on the forums. That seems a little bit silly to me.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 26 2013 18:33 GMT
#11900
If I understood it correctly, burning discharge will get buffed even more with those changes. That's madness, it's already so strong.

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