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Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
November 27 2013 02:45 GMT
#11921
I've lost so many fucking nemesis starts in the last few days. I'm dying regularly on standard too. I don't know what's the matter with me. :\
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 04:49:31
November 27 2013 04:18 GMT
#11922
Heh, that DoT change actually gave me an idea for my trapper instead of my archer.
Remote mine Poison Arrow should be a thing now.
Get a +3 bow, empower for another possible +2, and you have a 1000+ base DoT.
50% more from remote mine
70% more from concentrated effect
40% more damage from vulnerability (less on bosses?)
+162% mine damage from the tree
+77% projectile damage

Total of +235% damage (3350 base), times 1.5 * 1.7 * 1.4, for a cool 12k chaos DoT. Alternatively, you can do it with trap instead of mine, for somewhere around 10k damage but probably more convenience and bear traps + fire traps + poison arrow for insane damage + root.

I guess I better get started =)

Edit: It seems like using quality Shock Nova + Ele Prolif would be a nice boost once everything is covered in poison.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 27 2013 04:28 GMT
#11923
On November 27 2013 13:18 Pwere wrote:
40% more damage from vulnerability (less on bosses?)


Map bosses 60% reduced effect and act bosses 70% reduced effect of curses.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
November 27 2013 05:47 GMT
#11924
On November 27 2013 13:28 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 13:18 Pwere wrote:
40% more damage from vulnerability (less on bosses?)


Map bosses 60% reduced effect and act bosses 70% reduced effect of curses.

I thought it was like 40% and 50% or something.
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 27 2013 05:53 GMT
#11925
On November 27 2013 14:47 Gary Oak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 13:28 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:18 Pwere wrote:
40% more damage from vulnerability (less on bosses?)


Map bosses 60% reduced effect and act bosses 70% reduced effect of curses.

I thought it was like 40% and 50% or something.


It was until it got increased in the 1.0.0 patch.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Gary Oak
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2381 Posts
November 27 2013 07:01 GMT
#11926
Ah, I didn't realize it was increased. For a moment, I thought it was higher, then lowered. From the 1.0.0 notes:

Map Bosses now have 60% reduced curse effect (up from 50%).
Act bosses now have 70% reduced curse effect (up from 40%).
Rogue Exiles now have 50% reduced curse effect (up from 0%).
[14:15] <+Skrammen> I like clicking Gary's links, kinda. Its like playing with lava.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3458 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 07:07:30
November 27 2013 07:06 GMT
#11927
On November 27 2013 11:10 Pibacc wrote:
Just got a 6s ilvl 71 assassins garb from a graveyard map, 20% it with scraps every fusing, took 5 fusings to 6L !!!!!!!! i'm so fucking happy haha

Balsam has a contender now. But congrats :D
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
November 27 2013 07:15 GMT
#11928
Huge congrats to Zoroxo for taking 1st in overall season race points.

I think Descent Champions might be the most fun thing since ever. Also I think it might be the most EV+ event as far as points/time goes. I usually have been placing 25-80th consistently in races lately this season and I got nearly 2x the points from the Desc:Champ race than like 2x 1 hour solo races would usually give me. It's also SO much fun.
www.twitch.tv/varanice
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 27 2013 09:06 GMT
#11929
I dunno man, it's fast paced and there is a lot of strategy involved, but I really don't like that Gravicius is the end... the 10 point bracket isn't even reachable (tho that's np given how many points you get anyway). Personally, after having reached Gravicius once and having to afk for 5 min I kind of lost interest in it. I still prefer the normal Descent.
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
November 27 2013 09:53 GMT
#11930
Is there a TL guild for domination?
mind mind mind mind mind mind
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 27 2013 17:46 GMT
#11931
they really put a lot of work in descent champions, but i feel they should tone up the fire golem boss and tone down gravicius and merveil so they are real choices, at least for a good section of builds and not only tackleable by poison arrow hide and seek or something
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ZoRoXo
Profile Joined February 2010
Norway268 Posts
November 28 2013 00:40 GMT
#11932
#5 #1 :^)

Seems like almost everyone that played duelist switched over to scion. Me and helmann only 2 duelists on the first two descent pages.

Found a rare version of the start sword in the first zone (64% ipd some cold roll) that I used up until merveil zone, there I alched a boarding axe with 68 ipd and lightning roll that I used to the end of the race. Rng gon rng, but demis keep tasting sweet!
sprættemætute
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
November 28 2013 15:51 GMT
#11933
Decided to try out some build with cast on critical strike.
I ended up with Quill Rain + Split Arrow + Arcitic Breath + Chain + GMP + Cast on Crit.
Yet I only have 12% crit, but see what happens: http://www.twitch.tv/bluquh/c/3312284

Reflect on Cruel is not an issue right now, tho corrupted blood is REALLY scary! :D

My build im planning to use: tinyurl.com/bluquh4
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-28 15:56:51
November 28 2013 15:56 GMT
#11934
If you use GMP/Chain, then I think Lightning arrow is better than Split arrow most of the time (since having like 10 arrows that CANT SHOTGUN is usually not much better than 5).
Otherwise yeah that shit's hilarious.

PS: I have a friend who's done that build and tested a variety of different trigger skills and damage spells.
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bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
November 28 2013 16:04 GMT
#11935
On November 29 2013 00:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
If you use GMP/Chain, then I think Lightning arrow is better than Split arrow most of the time (since having like 10 arrows that CANT SHOTGUN is usually not much better than 5).
Otherwise yeah that shit's hilarious.

PS: I have a friend who's done that build and tested a variety of different trigger skills and damage spells.

Never dwelled into LA builds, can the mini-AoE Crit?
I choose splitarrow because of three reasons:
1. LoH with split+gmp+chain is just awesome
2. The mana consumption releative to projectiles is nice
3. More hits, more crits

The 1. point is under the assumption of being Bloodmagic tho.
If LA's mini-AoE can crit(and proc CoC) then the 3. point would be irrelevant.

Looking for more feedback like this :D
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-28 16:41:41
November 28 2013 16:21 GMT
#11936
You're confused about how Lightning Arrow works. The skill itself doesn't actually do any area of effect damage. It has AoE listed in it's buff thing because it pulls additional targets to strike from an AoE around the target which can be increased with the area support gems. The origin arrow hits a target and then checks for mobs within the AoE radius. Three of these mobs get a single target lightning bolt for your full damage.

Those additional three hits can crit though; that is why the skill is better than split arrow. LA only works if you have a large mass of enemies that all die at the same time so the projectiles can bounce around properly.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-28 16:34:39
November 28 2013 16:28 GMT
#11937
decided to make my first nemesis char, so far the rare mods haven't been too bad. but I just got a fractured undying grappler and was soo close to dying.

also already met like 5 rogue exiles, lol. glad I'm not yet in Merciless I guess.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 28 2013 16:28 GMT
#11938
Yeah just that using split arrow over LA got less crits because less hits because of LA's AoE portion.

If you are gonna use split arrow then you don't need GMP (though I understand you want it for your arctic breaths).

TBH what we found most effective was a setup with Split Arrow/Cast on Crit/As many EK's as fit/Life leech (if needed). Swapping out to Split Arrow/Cast on Crit/Chain/As many Arcs as fit for Phys Reflect maps.

He's using tabula rasa though which probably isn't that reasonable for you. However, you can still have 2 5Ls (chest/bow) and then weapon swap for a 3rd 5L for single target if you wish.

You definitely get the most procs with GMP/LA/Chain. The problem is that EK is BY FAR the best damage spell, and its not even remotely close. Quill rain gives your EK so much range it's nuts (might be TOO much range for nemesis lol). EK gets RAPED by being linked to GMP/Chain. Split arrow lets you drop GMP and at that point its generally better to just cast 2 EK's over linking chain from what I can tell, although I haven't tested Split/Chain/EK yet.

Once you go GMP/Chain, using split arrow is pretty bad so just use LA instead. At that point yeah arctic breath is pretty cool. Your damage is probably mildly questionable though (at least compared to EK which is hilariously powerful even if you do use GMP chain. Which as mentioned are so bad for EK).
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 28 2013 16:35 GMT
#11939
I just got killed by bleed like an idiot.sad stuff
Cackle™
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-28 16:46:25
November 28 2013 16:39 GMT
#11940
On November 29 2013 01:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yeah just that using split arrow over LA got less crits because less hits because of LA's AoE portion.

If you are gonna use split arrow then you don't need GMP (though I understand you want it for your arctic breaths).

TBH what we found most effective was a setup with Split Arrow/Cast on Crit/As many EK's as fit/Life leech (if needed). Swapping out to Split Arrow/Cast on Crit/Chain/As many Arcs as fit for Phys Reflect maps.

He's using tabula rasa though which probably isn't that reasonable for you. However, you can still have 2 5Ls (chest/bow) and then weapon swap for a 3rd 5L for single target if you wish.

You definitely get the most procs with GMP/LA/Chain. The problem is that EK is BY FAR the best damage spell, and its not even remotely close. Quill rain gives your EK so much range it's nuts (might be TOO much range for nemesis lol). EK gets RAPED by being linked to GMP/Chain. Split arrow lets you drop GMP and at that point its generally better to just cast 2 EK's over linking chain from what I can tell, although I haven't tested Split/Chain/EK yet.

Once you go GMP/Chain, using split arrow is pretty bad so just use LA instead. At that point yeah arctic breath is pretty cool. Your damage is probably mildly questionable though (at least compared to EK which is hilariously powerful even if you do use GMP chain. Which as mentioned are so bad for EK).

Thanks for the detailed feedback guess i'll have to theorycraft some more with your input ^^ will update which route im going.
Btw did you guys used BL or mana?

Edit: Holy Shit, just tried LA+chain+gmp+arctic ... well yea byebye fps xD at least in partys. Thanks for the tip with LA works wonders! you were totally spot on :D
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
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