EPTAnd it is not only defensive nodes or elemental ones, templar also has better mana management nodes. Only crit nodes are better for shadows, but if you don't want to go crit or don't use a crit weapon (claw or dagger) you are fracked.
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And it is not only defensive nodes or elemental ones, templar also has better mana management nodes. Only crit nodes are better for shadows, but if you don't want to go crit or don't use a crit weapon (claw or dagger) you are fracked. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
Edit: I just noticed, a lot of it seems to have to do with layout as well. Let's compare a "fly-bys": -If you pass the Templar tree from the outside, you get Lifenodes -> B&S/WED -> Lifenodes. -If you pass by the Marauder tree you get Max Resists -> Resists -> Life -If you pass by the Dualist tree you get Attackspeed / Life / Armor / Dual Wielding Passives, however IR and US being around here is a huge boost. -If you pass by the Ranger tree you have access to... 3 lifenodes. The 6x8% lifecluster gives you access to.... sword/claw/dagger/bow accuracy passives. Oh, and the evasion nodes there... are in the middle, 2-3 points off the road. -If you pass by the Shadow tree you have access to one of the Nullification clusters (the 2nd one is further out than the 2nd B&S cluster), some crit, some life, some elemental damage nodes. However, the elemental damage is only worth it if you use a single element. -If you pass by the witch tree you... go just via the middle instead unless you want the power charge or shock chance. Hell, the witch has less energy shield nodes than both the shadow OR templar. We're talking 46% spread over 6 points. Obviously this is now compensated by the passives behind CI and easier access to the middle, but the Templar instead gets 44% over 4 points. Not to mention the 44% Armor and 10% resists he gets instead. T_T | ||
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Xinder
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Pwere
Canada1557 Posts
When they buffed duelists, they added something like 5 nodes of free goodies. 12% AS, melee range/dmg, projectile damage/AS, 4% life, +12 flat life, and 2% block. I'd say the ranger and witch starting areas should get a similar buff, and another ~3 free nodes for Shadows. Shadow would arguably be very strong if there were 6.5% base crit bows or swords, but daggers are impossible to roll, and claws have pretty bad passives compared to daggers. ps. Yeah, auctioneers are disgusting. Sometimes you win an item for a cheap price, and he decides to hold on to it, then relists it a few days later. Which is why we need the guild system ASAP. You do scummy shit, it reflects on your group. TL Guild ftw. | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
On March 16 2013 02:41 Pwere wrote: Actually, it's a well known fact by the good streamers/players. Rangers and Witches have terrible starting areas. The whole area between Shadow and Ranger is a joke, and so is their way to the middle. The Marauder non-health side is also terrible. Wat ? No its not terrible. The non heath side gives you 50 %increased physical dmg for 5 points (one handed or 2 handed for the last 30%). How is that terrible ? Its imho one of the main reason why marauder > everything else for physical melee dmg builds. | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On March 16 2013 02:36 Xinder wrote: You know what sucks? Thinking that you've won a bid in a forum post only to find out the person was also spamming the item in trade chat and sells it in game then doesn't update the thread to tell you that. I thought I was getting a pretty kick ass shield for my EK witch and suddenly the thread says SOLD below the item. Even though the guy quoted my post and said that this was the current offer and it will be sold today. Never updated the post after he'd sold it online. I only noticed the sold after I was checking the page for a final "this has been sold" post. Really shitty. I've experienced this before. It was a pretty nice 5L ES chest, nothing special but it was 5L and I had yet to own one ever in PoE. I was the only bidder in the thread despite the seller's like, ten bumps. Anyways, I message him ingame later on in the day and he confirms that he still hasn't sold the chest and that I'm the highest bidder. I tell him to please message me before he accepts any buyouts from anybody as I will pay more than any offer he gets no matter what. He tells me not to worry. 30 minutes later I check the thread again for shits and giggles and he's updated it with a new post saying like, "SOLD FOR 1EXAL PER BUYOUT". It's like, what the fuck man? Some people are just shitty at trading. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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zomgE
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On March 16 2013 03:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: If you're gonna outbid a buyout just ask him what his BIN price is and just buy it now. Shitty trading is smart trading. I'm not sure if you're responding to me but I had tried that. Which is why I then told him to let me know before he accepted any buyout offer. He said he was going to wait to see what people would give him for it. And no, shitty trading is shitty trading. Smart trading is smart trading. i.e., he could've accepted the 1exalt for the chest from that guy, or he could've accepted a higher offer from me that I had already guaranteed him. Plain and simply, he lost money by selling it to that person rather than me. When I had messaged him after asking why he accepted a lower offer than I was willing to give (and had already told him I'd give), he was like, "oh shit, I didn't think you'd pay more than 1exalt". | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On March 16 2013 03:34 Romance_us wrote: I'm not sure if you're responding to me but I had tried that. Which is why I then told him to let me know before he accepted any buyout offer. He said he was going to wait to see what people would give him for it. And no, shitty trading is shitty trading. Smart trading is smart trading. i.e., he could've accepted the 1exalt for the chest from that guy, or he could've accepted a higher offer from me that I had already guaranteed him. Plain and simply, he lost money by selling it to that person rather than me. When I had messaged him after asking why he accepted a lower offer than I was willing to give (and had already told him I'd give), he was like, "oh shit, I didn't think you'd pay more than 1exalt". If this 5L is as crappy as you say it is then an exalt is already overpaying for it. If I was in that situation I would take the exalt too because getting an extra GCP (At best, I've had people outbid by trying to add single chromatics. Those are the real assholes) from you when he is already getting a GCP or two over what the item is worth. This without knowing anything about the item besides it is a 5L and you saying it sucks. Time also has a value in this game. He could waste 15 minutes tracking you down and then you end up outbidding by an alchemy orb or even worse. Sometimes it is smarter to just accept the first retarded offer you get even if there's a chance of getting slightly more. | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On March 16 2013 04:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: If this 5L is as crappy as you say it is then an exalt is already overpaying for it. If I was in that situation I would take the exalt too because getting an extra GCP (At best, I've had people outbid by trying to add single chromatics. Those are the real assholes) from you when he is already getting a GCP or two over what the item is worth. This without knowing anything about the item besides it is a 5L and you saying it sucks. Time also has a value in this game. He could waste 15 minutes tracking you down and then you end up outbidding by an alchemy orb or even worse. Sometimes it is smarter to just accept the first retarded offer you get even if there's a chance of getting slightly more. ... I agree, sometimes it is smarter. But not in this case, when he could've just sent me a quick message checking if I was there or not (based on the fact that I had just been talking to him 30 minutes beforehand). I told him I'd make it worthwhile to sell to me, as I am filthy rich. And how did I get rich? By overselling to other rich people. It turns out that value is subjective in this economy | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On March 16 2013 04:36 Romance_us wrote: ... I agree, sometimes it is smarter. But not in this case, when he could've just sent me a quick message checking if I was there or not (based on the fact that I had just been talking to him 30 minutes beforehand). I told him I'd make it worthwhile to sell to me, as I am filthy rich. And how did I get rich? By overselling to other rich people. It turns out that value is subjective in this economy I can pay ten exalts for an alteration orb. That doesn't change the value of alterations, it just makes me a retard. The value of something may be subjective, but if it isn't a top end item then it isn't worth your while. If your sole goal is to get a 5L there are plenty of crappy ones to buy. We aren't talking about picking up an end game rare or unique that is hard to find and isn't sold often. Also finding somebody from 30 minutes ago is a bit much if you're trading multiple items. | ||
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Pwere
Canada1557 Posts
On March 16 2013 03:08 Tyrran wrote: 10% physical per point is fine, but it's subpar for a starting area that is a dead end. It's ok at low levels, but sucks later on. Look at the other nodes people take in physical builds, and they're all better. Few examples:Wat ? No its not terrible. The non heath side gives you 50 %increased physical dmg for 5 points (one handed or 2 handed for the last 30%). How is that terrible ? Its imho one of the main reason why marauder > everything else for physical melee dmg builds. Skull cracking: 31% + 10% stun threshold for 3 points. Fencing: 18% + 3% AS, 2 points Cruel Blade: 26% + 4% AS for 3 points And there are better packs, like Blade Master or Bone Smasher. Templars have a similar start btw, except slightly better and it leads into some Glorious stuff. | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
On March 16 2013 05:20 Pwere wrote: 10% physical per point is fine, but it's subpar for a starting area that is a dead end. It's ok at low levels, but sucks later on. Look at the other nodes people take in physical builds, and they're all better. Few examples: Skull cracking: 31% + 10% stun threshold for 3 points. Fencing: 18% + 3% AS, 2 points Cruel Blade: 26% + 4% AS for 3 points And there are better packs, like Blade Master or Bone Smasher. Templars have a similar start btw, except slightly better and it leads into some Glorious stuff. Lets define "better" as : gives more damage per point. Proposition #1: When it comes to melee damage, %dmg is strictly better than attack speed Proof : Obvious when looking at the armor damage mitigation formula. SkullCracking: 10.3% dmg per points Fencing: strictly inferior to 10.5%dmg per point. Cruel Blade strictly inferior to 10% dmg per point. bone smasher 13% damage per points So yeah, with bone smasher being a notable exception, they are not that much better than the marauder start zone. Considering that the marauder start zone is always available, with 0 points to get there whatever your build is, i'll still call that pretty good. It's not OP, but definitely not terrible | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On March 16 2013 07:39 kellymilkies wrote: This game made one of my female friend's bf STRANGLE her because she turned off the com while he was playing it. HAHAHAHAHA I think I'd strangle anyone who would turn off my computer when I'm doing anything. | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On March 16 2013 04:48 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I can pay ten exalts for an alteration orb. That doesn't change the value of alterations, it just makes me a retard. The value of something may be subjective, but if it isn't a top end item then it isn't worth your while. If your sole goal is to get a 5L there are plenty of crappy ones to buy. We aren't talking about picking up an end game rare or unique that is hard to find and isn't sold often. Also finding somebody from 30 minutes ago is a bit much if you're trading multiple items. The trade I'm talking about took place within a week of open beta. So no, there were not "plenty of crappy ones to buy". At the time, all 5L's were extremely valuable and were going for 2-3 exalts on average. And no, finding somebody from 30 minutes ago is not a bit much. It is only a bit much if you are a shitty trader | ||
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Finality
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It's on hardcore, if that makes a difference. Is there some sort of spreadsheet/chart that would give general prices for quality gems that someone could link me to? I'd very much appreciate it. | ||
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Yomi.Doom
United States383 Posts
On March 16 2013 09:26 Finality wrote: I have a question, I found a 12% Ethereal knives and don't know what it's worth. I want to sell it, don't really plan on using the skill itself except maybe to try a gimmick build I was thinking about, but I'd rather just sell it and get more currency in my stash since I'm still leveling my first character. It's on hardcore, if that makes a difference. Is there some sort of spreadsheet/chart that would give general prices for quality gems that someone could link me to? I'd very much appreciate it. I'd guess anywhere between 3gcp -> 1 exalt, don't take my word for it though. EK's quality bonus is pretty good and it's the main skill of many builds so should go for a little higher than standard quality gems. | ||
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