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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-28 03:27:03
December 27 2019 05:28 GMT
#31521
Cyclone is easy, even if it's technically slightly nerfed compared to a couple leagues ago. Here's one Latham linked above:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2591825/page/1

Legion was so fun as Cyclone, easiest league of my life lmao, let's you explore everything.


Thinking about trying EA Chieftain in HCSSF, from scratch. Because I hate myself.
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
December 28 2019 20:00 GMT
#31522
Tier 8 Sirus just dropped both an awakened gem and a watchstone, was super hyped....ofc it ends up to be one of the shittiest gems that is only 70c and the shittiest watchstone that is only 20c
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-28 22:24:43
December 28 2019 20:27 GMT
#31523
Getting to play sporadically; L92 in SSF - have done 3/4 of the T4 Watchstone Conquerors but I'm a little bit zDPS to get Drox down (I probably could have managed it but missed a few telegraphed attacks with how many adds/banners/etc were on the screen; prob a mistake to try to drag him to a corner for the first time rather than keeping him in the middle to rotate around a bit easier), so have left him for the moment to work on delving down (need to farm Corroded Fossils but they're being elusive) / filling out atlas + awakened 4 bonuses. Feel like map sustain is ridiculous this league, eh. Have been half-heartedly trying to keep Caldera as the only map of its tier in Lex Ejoris since the only thing I'm looking to farm is The Lion for Lioneye's Fall, but wondering if it would be better to just no-life 3-4 hours farming the equivalent mob in A6 Mud Flats, heh. Managing non-8-mod red maps OKish on very very so-so gear, but need way more DPS to e.g. fight Elder Guardians or I imagine for Sirius.

Did the Mastermind fight get buffed alongside other endgame things? Little bit nervous about attempting it if it got the equivalent treatment to Shaper etc.

Edit: Also - there's no way to farm a particular Conqueror's influence, right? You have 3 maps of influence, the citadel map, and then they won't spawn again until you've spawned all four conquerors then Sirius? After Hunter quiver/boots/etc and Warlord ring/body armour.
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10843 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-29 00:15:49
December 28 2019 23:55 GMT
#31524
I accidentally went blind into Sirius whiteout any prep (on red maps, if he can spawn earlier, i missed it)... So i had no way to leech life. Still got him to 40% but "sad"... If i would have just swapped an amu and finally bought the Atziri flask things could have been different...

Has anyone an idea of how i could create Frenzycharges as a Stormbrand-Assa against bosses that don't spawn adds? They are a big part of my dmg but i haven't found a practical way yet.


Btw: My char seems to be nearing completion, if anyone has any ideas for extra links/sockets and so on... Be my guest . I would really appreciate it. Powercharge-Stormbrand-Assassin:
https://pastebin.com/JLLHthpu

Acro/Phase-Acro could for sure be an option but I kinda fear i will lose too much dmg or Sirius is just ridiculously tanki...
Got quite a bit of currency invested now but alltogether it goes really well for a (former) leaguestarter whiteout much of a plan, the amu just dropped for me, i didn't knew it even existed, and my eyes widened.
That my Flasks need work is clear
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
December 29 2019 12:43 GMT
#31525
this league i am so undecided - i am leveling - i go into maps and dont like my build anymore and start leveling again - i ve not seen red maps yet and i played almost every day since league start :D

anyone here has any advice on a defensively strong bow build? :x
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haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2723 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-29 14:33:00
December 29 2019 14:27 GMT
#31526
I've been playing Toxic Rain Mines this league and it is one of the easiest builds I've played. I'm level 91 and all the bosses and metamorphs die so fast after you detonate the 17 mines, even in red maps. And the clearing is fast too. The build is cheap and you only need a +2 (or later +3) to gems 6-link bow. You can ignore the bow damage, attack speed, accuracy, etc.

It is not exactly a real bow build (you have a bow but you don't attack with it) and not everyone likes mines. But it is very good for this league. Octvian is playing it in his stream.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-30 03:28:00
December 30 2019 00:45 GMT
#31527
I still really struggle with blighted maps. Cruising through reds for weeks and a yellow (or even white sometimes) Blighted map is a serious struggle. Am I severely undervaluing towers? I usually go heavy chill with a couple minion near the pump, but even with a solid layout and good chokepoints I feel like I still get overwhelmed. Especially the bosses. They're so tanky that by the time I down them the other hordes get too much to handle, or some INSANELY speedy boiz will just sprint through and get hits in before I can react.

Feel like I'm missing something. I enjoy them, but would like to be more successful if I'm just missing a few tricks lol

Edit: also what's some hotness this league when it comes to big boy investment? I was grinding some currency to play Vortex Occ just to try it because I don't think I'll mind the playstyle, but in the process I'm making a bit more $$ than I expected and might just sink it into something really good. I'm not interested enough in this ED Trickster to really push the boundaries of high maps and all the super awakened stuff, the damage is always going to be slightly underpar for equal investment so I'm just speedweeding lower maps for fun until I have big boy money. I know we were discussing bow stuff being hit or miss for league start, but with 10-20-30ex ish to spend there's gotta be some insane shit that'll clear everything comfortably, especially for softcore. Refuse to play summoner, just not interested.

I'm also noticing a lot of CoC Ice Nova Assassins on poe ninja. Is that the new wave version of CoC Discharge lol? I've genuinely never played a serious CoC build.

Edit2: lol nvm holy shit Cospri's is 5-6ex right now
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-30 01:54:22
December 30 2019 01:53 GMT
#31528
League going well for me so far. Finished leveling 3 empowers 3 enlightens and procced 3 of those vaaling. Thats 20exalt pure profit :D
Bought a few of those unique watchstones with +1 monster level and ultra juiced one map. 2 sextants, 2 mortal fragments, tempest prophecy. Only 105% quant on the base map though, will try again with a ~140% when i get one.
https://i.imgur.com/YmGVJ5T.jpg
Thats effectively a t19 map (and even some more because of additional effects on the watchstones).
Died a lot but finished the map, couldnt get the metamorph though. A lot of juicy crafting bases dropped but not a lot of profit in the end because the watchstones are hella expensive. But its a lot of fun.
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
December 30 2019 03:53 GMT
#31529
On December 30 2019 09:45 Duka08 wrote:
I still really struggle with blighted maps. Cruising through reds for weeks and a yellow (or even white sometimes) Blighted map is a serious struggle. Am I severely undervaluing towers? I usually go heavy chill with a couple minion near the pump, but even with a solid layout and good chokepoints I feel like I still get overwhelmed. Especially the bosses. They're so tanky that by the time I down them the other hordes get too much to handle, or some INSANELY speedy boiz will just sprint through and get hits in before I can react.

Feel like I'm missing something. I enjoy them, but would like to be more successful if I'm just missing a few tricks lol


https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2647929

^^ this is a pretty good guide to towers etc - the empowering towers and fireball towers are probably a lot better than you think they are, and minion towers are probably worse.



On December 30 2019 10:53 Warri wrote:
League going well for me so far. Finished leveling 3 empowers 3 enlightens and procced 3 of those vaaling. Thats 20exalt pure profit :D
Bought a few of those unique watchstones with +1 monster level and ultra juiced one map. 2 sextants, 2 mortal fragments, tempest prophecy. Only 105% quant on the base map though, will try again with a ~140% when i get one.
https://i.imgur.com/YmGVJ5T.jpg
Thats effectively a t19 map (and even some more because of additional effects on the watchstones).
Died a lot but finished the map, couldnt get the metamorph though. A lot of juicy crafting bases dropped but not a lot of profit in the end because the watchstones are hella expensive. But its a lot of fun.


Wow, flashbacks to juiced up Synthesis areas.


Trundling along in SSF - despite all my time in Petrified Forest/Fungal Cavern biomes, only found four Corroded Fossils and haven't managed to roll a decent bleed bow with Corroded+Jagged. Managed to down T15 Drox despite zDPS (he even dropped a passable Vuln on hit ring for me) and got Sirus fairly low on a first attempt/viewing - it's a bit, ah, visually confusing. Going to try and farm up more watchstones for the moment.
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-30 05:01:28
December 30 2019 04:27 GMT
#31530
On December 30 2019 12:53 Haasts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2019 09:45 Duka08 wrote:
I still really struggle with blighted maps. Cruising through reds for weeks and a yellow (or even white sometimes) Blighted map is a serious struggle. Am I severely undervaluing towers? I usually go heavy chill with a couple minion near the pump, but even with a solid layout and good chokepoints I feel like I still get overwhelmed. Especially the bosses. They're so tanky that by the time I down them the other hordes get too much to handle, or some INSANELY speedy boiz will just sprint through and get hits in before I can react.

Feel like I'm missing something. I enjoy them, but would like to be more successful if I'm just missing a few tricks lol


https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2647929

^^ this is a pretty good guide to towers etc - the empowering towers and fireball towers are probably a lot better than you think they are, and minion towers are probably worse.

Great post. Completely forgot you could use oils on blighted maps lol. Also arc is way better than I thought I guess. Excited to try some changes.

Edit: Lmao wtf I bought a T7 Blighted Precinct just to try some of the suggestions and totally fucking cheesed it zero issue. Arc + Empowers way better than I expected. Stun towers seem ok, on par with chill, but Arc was the big answer I guess, and throwing in a couple Flamethrowers if there are lightning resist, just in case. I double annointed Empower effect for super cheap. Actually ran around building/upgrading shit the whole time while the towers killed stuff, had no idea that was actually possible.

Blighted maps aren't crazy cheap right now (cuz the rewards seem consistently ok) so I'm not gonna go buy more, but now when I stumble across one from Meta or in the wild I'm gonna be way more excited.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5298 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-30 10:11:06
December 30 2019 08:57 GMT
#31531
men, how does EA work?(the EE interaction).
- as far as i can tell:
you shoot an arrow that is only a delivery system for the fuse and does no damage; that means one can EE of both added flat and conversion(if the weapon has phys dmg).
the fuse expires, target blows up, you do "Explosion deals 50% of Base Damage", but of what?. you never did initial damage with the arrow that landed the fuse; or it's base theoretical damage and that line is for balance? <questionmarks>.
the explosion occurs, it EEs' the target to resist fire, so then what happens with the ignite?: it gets calculated at the same time as the explosion thus getting the EE bonus or there's a damage sequence like: EE for minus fire resist, get the explosion with the EE bonus, then ignite with the target fire resistant. (which would mean you can EE for the explosion but not for the ignite).

Edit: so apparently it does initial(when it delivers the fuse) weapon based autoattack dmg...
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6183 Posts
December 30 2019 13:22 GMT
#31532
On December 30 2019 09:45 Duka08 wrote:
I still really struggle with blighted maps. Cruising through reds for weeks and a yellow (or even white sometimes) Blighted map is a serious struggle. Am I severely undervaluing towers? I usually go heavy chill with a couple minion near the pump, but even with a solid layout and good chokepoints I feel like I still get overwhelmed. Especially the bosses. They're so tanky that by the time I down them the other hordes get too much to handle, or some INSANELY speedy boiz will just sprint through and get hits in before I can react.

Feel like I'm missing something. I enjoy them, but would like to be more successful if I'm just missing a few tricks lol

Edit: also what's some hotness this league when it comes to big boy investment? I was grinding some currency to play Vortex Occ just to try it because I don't think I'll mind the playstyle, but in the process I'm making a bit more $$ than I expected and might just sink it into something really good. I'm not interested enough in this ED Trickster to really push the boundaries of high maps and all the super awakened stuff, the damage is always going to be slightly underpar for equal investment so I'm just speedweeding lower maps for fun until I have big boy money. I know we were discussing bow stuff being hit or miss for league start, but with 10-20-30ex ish to spend there's gotta be some insane shit that'll clear everything comfortably, especially for softcore. Refuse to play summoner, just not interested.

I'm also noticing a lot of CoC Ice Nova Assassins on poe ninja. Is that the new wave version of CoC Discharge lol? I've genuinely never played a serious CoC build.

Edit2: lol nvm holy shit Cospri's is 5-6ex right now

for blighted map, i go for like 90% fireball tower and 10% cold and it seem to be working fine. just did a T13 blighted this morning with that setup
n_n
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10843 Posts
December 30 2019 14:27 GMT
#31533
I just use more or less random high Level Towers on one side and clear the other side(s) myself.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-30 14:49:12
December 30 2019 14:47 GMT
#31534
Any good guides on how to use new atlas that don't involve lots of grinding or buying maps?
I got spoiled by easy atlas progress from last few leagues and I don't feel like needing to grind more now..

I never enjoyed complicated atlas progress from before last few leagues where new map drops were rare and you hade to grind same maps a lot or trade for them.
They finally fixed that shit and now fucked it all up again with these changes.

I am stuck at white maps and don't even feel like playing anymore.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10843 Posts
December 30 2019 14:53 GMT
#31535
Just Play white Maps in the same Region until a conqueror spawns. Kill him. Socket gem..... And so on?
Its grindy but i doubt there is much strategy involved if you just want to fill out the whole thing.


I never before had so many red Maps to do, i can basically Sustain T13+ whiteout any issues. This league seems awesome once you reach redmaps. I also allready had a Chimera, Hydra and 2 Elder Guardians. It took me way longer in other leagues to get this.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22080 Posts
December 30 2019 15:01 GMT
#31536
New map system.
Explore to the 4 corners, run maps in the corner regions to spawn influence (this changes the color of the region)
Rrun more maps in a region with influence until you find the conqueror (normally 3 different maps, you can do the same but then its only a 33% chance for the conqueror to come and taunt you)
After fighting the conqueror you get a Watchstone. Left side of the atlas window is storage, hover over it to see which stones you have and what you need to spawn more conquerors. You can socket the Watchstone in the medallion like thingy on the atlas regions

Repeat this for each corner, you should now have 4 Watchstones, one of each color.
If you hover over the stone storage you can see you now need regions with 1 socketed stone to spawn them.
So go socket your stones, 1 per region for now. The more stones you socket in a region the higher tier maps it has.

Do more maps to get the new higher tier maps you now have on your atlas. Run those higher tier maps to spawn conquerors again, then run maps until you can fight em. Once the influence shows up you can run any tier map to progress to the fight, doesn't need to be the correct tier for what you have on your atlas.

Repeat until you have 16 stones at which point it becomes more rng when a conquerer shows up and you need to run more maps to get them.

Note if you have a map tab you can type in (part) of a region's name to highlight for maps from that region.
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Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-30 15:33:19
December 30 2019 15:29 GMT
#31537
Map sustain is so easy once youre at a decent bonus level. You get like 225% upgrade chane, that is guarateed +2 and 25% chance for +3. Then you can run t17 or t18 for really cheap (only costs like 5-10c per run to upgrade) and basically every map that drops is t14+.
Here is one t19 run by me today.

Every item that is dropped is 86+ and basically all the elder/shaper items are worth something. The jackpot would be an elder bone helmet or astral plate but even without those you get more than your money back.
It's still a bit hard for me, i can still get x2 dmg but it's expensive and i dont wanna spend so much. A good build could clear that easily. But ideally you want to run this with more people for additional quant. People have been abusing the shit out of these maps and it only just got public and immediately the watchstone prices spiked threefold. A good old deadeye + aurabot could breeze through this and get multiple exalt per single map. To be honest i cant even be bothered to sort the loot and sell it, i just run those for fun, will probably stop and focus on Sirus more again.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-30 22:13:27
December 30 2019 22:12 GMT
#31538
On December 31 2019 00:01 Gorsameth wrote:
New map system.
Explore to the 4 corners, run maps in the corner regions to spawn influence (this changes the color of the region)
Rrun more maps in a region with influence until you find the conqueror (normally 3 different maps, you can do the same but then its only a 33% chance for the conqueror to come and taunt you)
After fighting the conqueror you get a Watchstone. Left side of the atlas window is storage, hover over it to see which stones you have and what you need to spawn more conquerors. You can socket the Watchstone in the medallion like thingy on the atlas regions

Repeat this for each corner, you should now have 4 Watchstones, one of each color.
If you hover over the stone storage you can see you now need regions with 1 socketed stone to spawn them.
So go socket your stones, 1 per region for now. The more stones you socket in a region the higher tier maps it has.

Do more maps to get the new higher tier maps you now have on your atlas. Run those higher tier maps to spawn conquerors again, then run maps until you can fight em. Once the influence shows up you can run any tier map to progress to the fight, doesn't need to be the correct tier for what you have on your atlas.

Repeat until you have 16 stones at which point it becomes more rng when a conquerer shows up and you need to run more maps to get them.

Note if you have a map tab you can type in (part) of a region's name to highlight for maps from that region.

And how do I run higher tier maps once I socketed a watchstone? I did that for one region in middle to get it to yellow and ran a few random t5 maps I had and I got no t6 maps to drop...

Last two leagues t6 maps dropped like flies while doing t5 maps.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22080 Posts
December 30 2019 23:02 GMT
#31539
On December 31 2019 07:12 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2019 00:01 Gorsameth wrote:
New map system.
Explore to the 4 corners, run maps in the corner regions to spawn influence (this changes the color of the region)
Rrun more maps in a region with influence until you find the conqueror (normally 3 different maps, you can do the same but then its only a 33% chance for the conqueror to come and taunt you)
After fighting the conqueror you get a Watchstone. Left side of the atlas window is storage, hover over it to see which stones you have and what you need to spawn more conquerors. You can socket the Watchstone in the medallion like thingy on the atlas regions

Repeat this for each corner, you should now have 4 Watchstones, one of each color.
If you hover over the stone storage you can see you now need regions with 1 socketed stone to spawn them.
So go socket your stones, 1 per region for now. The more stones you socket in a region the higher tier maps it has.

Do more maps to get the new higher tier maps you now have on your atlas. Run those higher tier maps to spawn conquerors again, then run maps until you can fight em. Once the influence shows up you can run any tier map to progress to the fight, doesn't need to be the correct tier for what you have on your atlas.

Repeat until you have 16 stones at which point it becomes more rng when a conquerer shows up and you need to run more maps to get them.

Note if you have a map tab you can type in (part) of a region's name to highlight for maps from that region.

And how do I run higher tier maps once I socketed a watchstone? I did that for one region in middle to get it to yellow and ran a few random t5 maps I had and I got no t6 maps to drop...

Last two leagues t6 maps dropped like flies while doing t5 maps.
Might have gotten unlucky. Because that's how I did it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-31 00:41:52
December 31 2019 00:40 GMT
#31540
Last two leagues I almost never did same map twice. Between what Zana sold and what dropped I always had a new map to run and complete and I didn't need to fuck around with watchstones.
I don't know why GGG wanted to change a good system for this. They could have just added new bosses..

Now at best when transitioning to yellow maps I will only have 2 or 3 to drop and I cannot buy new ones from Zana. All I am offered are white ones.
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