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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
December 15 2019 00:42 GMT
#31461
On December 15 2019 07:22 r.Evo wrote:
Don't do League mechanics in HC team.

https://streamable.com/2ft3c

Is this another dodge the mechanics type of league like betrayal?
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-15 01:19:01
December 15 2019 01:15 GMT
#31462
I had that at Vilenta, lol (not HC though). Once you know it, it becomes KIND OF manageable but you need to GTFO immediately. There honestly are a lot of deadly attacks, some seem overpowered and will likely get nerfed. I think for HC players it's indeed better to wait a week or at least avoid tough Metamorphs.

Also I rerolled to Saboteur, glad I did considering the data mined hp of Shaper, Guardians and Uber Elder seems ridiculous... RIP many fun builds (for bossing at least).
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
December 15 2019 01:29 GMT
#31463
Its a problem from trying to balance an unbalanced game through the enemies rather then the player skills.

You can stop the end bosses from being killed in under 1 second by the broken builds but that means the non-broken builds are in for a hell of a time.

Previously a lot of 'bad' builds were still perfectly viable to clear all content with, it just took a little longer.
That may no longer be the case now and that is a bad thing for the game.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
December 15 2019 07:28 GMT
#31464
I think the changes for skill based bosses (e.g. Shaper, Guardians, most act bosses etc.) are totally fine and were badly needed. Having to actually do mechanics there is good to see. Endgame content shouldn't be for the vast majority of builds and if you want to do it with straight up weak builds you should be skilled enough to make up for the difference.
Balancing these things around the top end of the players in the first few days is an overall good thing imho.

A1 Brutus/Merveil or A2 Vaal being buffed and being a reasonable challenge for veterans seems like a really dumb idea. That stuff should be an intro for newer players and easy enough with straight up garbage "builds". A4 Piety or A5 Kitava (adds specifically) also sound annoying as hell or even impossible to do with a weak build, that shouldn't be a thing.

On December 15 2019 09:42 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2019 07:22 r.Evo wrote:
Don't do League mechanics in HC team.

https://streamable.com/2ft3c

Is this another dodge the mechanics type of league like betrayal?

Feels more like most previous leagues (Betrayal, Legion, Blight all come to mind) where 95% of the content is totally fine and a reasonable as well as fun challenge but for the last 5% you need to die to/see someone else die to once or you need to avoid the league mechanic in HC.

I'm mostly salty that a skill that is "target player and send explodey thing in their face" for the entire game turned into "target player and create two half circles of explodey things moving in opposite directions from the original player position" all of a sudden. Breaking your own rules to create difficulty is just cheap.

The black explodey ground isn't much better imo. "Haha you killed the thing but you missed a barely visible ground effect and tried to get loot asap LUL GOTCHA" was never too appealing either.

Bit of a shame since I really enjoyed the boss buffs and was hyped for higher tier content in HC but I'll prolly re-roll in SC later today. Might as well Netflix and chill this time around and go "oh lul" once in a while instead of actually being annoyed.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Joni_
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany352 Posts
December 15 2019 17:41 GMT
#31465
These Metamorph encounters just feel like a giant clusterfuck to me. I can never tell what's going on and just move, cast, move, cast until eventually either the mob dies or I die of something I dont understand, didnt see and hence couldnt dodge. There's just too much shit going on. Also it doesnt help that Metamorphs are just a black gulp of ooze so that its super hard for me to read any flags.

Maybe I just gotta git gud and especially get used to the things that can happen. So far I'm dying on average once per Metamorph encounter now since I've entered maps. Then again my build is super squishy atm, so hopefully that will balance out eventually.
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
December 16 2019 02:49 GMT
#31466
So happy about this -
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
December 16 2019 02:54 GMT
#31467
Sick. Picking them up wasn't really annoying me as much as I expected, but still a welcome change
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6172 Posts
December 16 2019 10:48 GMT
#31468
dam, that's nice.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10705 Posts
December 16 2019 14:43 GMT
#31469
I really dig this league so far.

Act 1 was the only place where i had «problems» but i was also horribly hungover and went back to sleep for 4 hours after i did Merveil. I died probably 10 times in it :D. Act 1, especially Brutus and Merveil, for sure felt a hell of a lot tougher than before.
After that? I had absolutely no issues with an ultra squishy build. It wasn’t deathless but I have died more in previous iterations and I usually don’t care much so it can just happen. I didn’t notice a diffrence on Oversoul, Dominus Adds seemed tougher but that was about it. After Act 3 it imho felt a whole lot easier than before and I’m pretty sure I died way less than I normally do from Act 6-10 when i play a glass cannon leaguestarter. When it happened it was mainly me charging into some pack that just instagibbed me, i don’t remember dieing to any Boss from act 6 on.
Since i entered Maps it actually feels a whole lot easier (T3 atm), the Map bosses especially so far have been absolutely no problem. The Metamorphs feel a bit strange at times but well, I can offscreen everything so I don’t have issues, they just take a while and sometimes some bs ability that you didn’t know the boss had instagibs me but nothing too bad yet.

Btw : Playing a so far purely self „built“ Stormbrand-Assassin.
https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYBAAQHBLMFQgceCPQN0Q5IEJIRLRGWFkAWbxo4HwIgbiM2JC0kqiaVJy8qCyoTLJwtHzD4Me8yMjJYMtE2xTbpOlg62D5lQZZCOkVHRZ1JUUyzTq5QMFMQU1JTjVVLVcZZ81orXfJh4mNDZJ1mnmpDcFJxaXIPdKV8g3_GgpuD24PzhX2J04w2j_qQVZTxlSCVLprgn0iiAKKjpWesmK4SrrOu_7E2tDi8b7zqwGbB88MTyvLPGtD11abZhtte42rjhOUZ6-7r9fAf8NXyHffX-Jf60vv1?accountName=aDoreMe&characterName=doityourselfnow

Help welcome as usual 
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1244 Posts
December 16 2019 16:39 GMT
#31470
Skipped the last league, now the atlas is completely different again... Tried to read the patch notes but they are not very specific. Is there any up to date guide on this? Are the shaper/elder loot gone with the new bosses?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 16 2019 17:01 GMT
#31471
On December 16 2019 23:43 Velr wrote:
I really dig this league so far.

Act 1 was the only place where i had «problems» but i was also horribly hungover and went back to sleep for 4 hours after i did Merveil. I died probably 10 times in it :D. Act 1, especially Brutus and Merveil, for sure felt a hell of a lot tougher than before.
After that? I had absolutely no issues with an ultra squishy build. It wasn’t deathless but I have died more in previous iterations and I usually don’t care much so it can just happen. I didn’t notice a diffrence on Oversoul, Dominus Adds seemed tougher but that was about it. After Act 3 it imho felt a whole lot easier than before and I’m pretty sure I died way less than I normally do from Act 6-10 when i play a glass cannon leaguestarter. When it happened it was mainly me charging into some pack that just instagibbed me, i don’t remember dieing to any Boss from act 6 on.
Since i entered Maps it actually feels a whole lot easier (T3 atm), the Map bosses especially so far have been absolutely no problem. The Metamorphs feel a bit strange at times but well, I can offscreen everything so I don’t have issues, they just take a while and sometimes some bs ability that you didn’t know the boss had instagibs me but nothing too bad yet.

Btw : Playing a so far purely self „built“ Stormbrand-Assassin.
https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAYBAAQHBLMFQgceCPQN0Q5IEJIRLRGWFkAWbxo4HwIgbiM2JC0kqiaVJy8qCyoTLJwtHzD4Me8yMjJYMtE2xTbpOlg62D5lQZZCOkVHRZ1JUUyzTq5QMFMQU1JTjVVLVcZZ81orXfJh4mNDZJ1mnmpDcFJxaXIPdKV8g3_GgpuD24PzhX2J04w2j_qQVZTxlSCVLprgn0iiAKKjpWesmK4SrrOu_7E2tDi8b7zqwGbB88MTyvLPGtD11abZhtte42rjhOUZ6-7r9fAf8NXyHffX-Jf60vv1?accountName=aDoreMe&characterName=doityourselfnow

Help welcome as usual 

Build looks pretty good to me. At the Doom Cast cluster you should pick the crit multi instead of the crit chance (which is bad) though and Throatseeker will add a lot of damage too. Not sure if the power charge wheel at the top is worth it, I'd rather get Divine Judgement or Heart of Thunder or get some more life like from Resourcefulness and/or Blood Drinker.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10705 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-16 17:16:37
December 16 2019 17:14 GMT
#31472
I wonder about that cluster myself. I could get throatseeker and crackling speed for it but i'm unsure. Its probably kinda a wash.
I most likely will get Mom later and depending on how good i do on dmg respec to get acrobatics thru blooddrinker or the DW wheel.
Goal are 9 power charges (7 atm) but i dunno... Once i get more basecrit i for sure will change doomwheel .

Hell, maybe even CI after uberlab and some moneyz in the bank.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
December 16 2019 18:04 GMT
#31473
On December 17 2019 01:39 Glacierz wrote:
Skipped the last league, now the atlas is completely different again... Tried to read the patch notes but they are not very specific. Is there any up to date guide on this? Are the shaper/elder loot gone with the new bosses?
Shaper and Elder (including Uber) are not gone, not entirely sure if they can spawn randomly but apparently you can buy maps with their respective Guardians from Zana?
Shaper and Elder then drop fragments that let you do Uber Elder.

As for the map, what I know is that you want to rush towards the 4 corners because that is where you can first unlock the Conquerers. The map area will change color when it gets their influence, then run 3 more maps to spawn the Citadel. Talk to Kivara? in your hideout, he should have a !. then Zana gets the option to teleport to the citadel. Portals open to a Map, clear the boss and a new portal spawns for the Conquerer. Kill it to get a watchstone. Watchstones socket into your map to upgrade map tiers. The more watchstones you have the higher tier maps you need to run to get new ones. The left side of your map has storage for Watchstones, hover over them to see what level area you need to get more (level = how many watchstones you have socketed in that region).

Donno beyond that, I've only started mapping today, still working on getting the first 4 Conquerers.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10705 Posts
December 16 2019 18:07 GMT
#31474
I got one of them talking to me in a map and that section is now red, how to proceed?
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
December 16 2019 18:11 GMT
#31475
just run more maps in that section until you get the quest popup to talk to kirac, then talk to zana and she opens a map with that boss.
Joni_
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany352 Posts
December 16 2019 20:00 GMT
#31476
Im already burned out with the playstyle of selfcast Divine Ire... I guess it could actually be that it's not the skills fault but rather that my GPU cant handle the Metamorph things very well, so I tend to die rather often, random crashes not really helping either. Maybe it just needs some more time and gear to feel good.

Maybe I should try to make Flameblast work, as that was what I was basically looking for in Divine Ire. Didn't really feel the same Boom that I felt back in the day with FB, but that was when double dipping was a thing, so probably FB wouldnt feel that great either. Hrmpfs.
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1244 Posts
December 16 2019 21:17 GMT
#31477
Just read about the new awakened support gems. I'm guessing the end game bosses have been scaled to a higher difficulty to compensate for the inflation in DPS? I went with an afk summon starter build, I heard it's been heavily nerfed from last league, hopefully I can still do most of the content with it.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
December 16 2019 23:00 GMT
#31478
On December 17 2019 06:17 Glacierz wrote:
Just read about the new awakened support gems. I'm guessing the end game bosses have been scaled to a higher difficulty to compensate for the inflation in DPS? I went with an afk summon starter build, I heard it's been heavily nerfed from last league, hopefully I can still do most of the content with it.
They were not nerfed heavily at all.
Zombies were a little nerfed, not even that big, and spectres/skeletons are just as crazy.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 17 2019 01:02 GMT
#31479
Basically Zombies are purely for meatshielding now, and Specs/Skeles are still great for your primary DPS. SSFHC ladder is Spectre necros all the way down.
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
December 17 2019 10:43 GMT
#31480
I'm planning to do a cold conversion spectral throw raider as my second build, I'm planning on using claws, what sorts of mods should I look for on them?
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