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On June 08 2012 15:03 Stimp wrote:
If FFP means you can't afford to build new stadiums then it really is just a front to keep the top clubs at the top and never allow anyone else into the party.
Spend a shit ton of money for years and then whine you cant make a stadium ? I dont think theyll have a problem with financing it through debt but if a thrid party can start financing stadiums as a"gift" when the onus should be on the club then people will keep doing it. And thats what makes it a front to keep top clubs at the top. Who are you kidding man.
Teams like City and PSG get financers because they are bigger market clubs even if they arent at the top. You dont see anyone financing Swansea now do you.
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We should be like tottenham and get the public/council/tax payer to fund the building of a new stadium.
Rebs: Wasn't moaning that we can't. We clearly can, and want to. But say a new club gets into the CL, how long do they have to save money or stay in the CL before a new stadium even becomes feasible, knowing its most likely gonna break FFP anyway.
Unless FFP covers for it, I havent really read it because the concept is just ridiculous anyway.
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On June 08 2012 15:26 Stimp wrote:
We should be like tottenham and get the public/council/tax payer to fund the building of a new stadium.
Rebs: Wasn't moaning that we can't. We clearly can, and want to. But say a new club gets into the CL, how long do they have to save money or stay in the CL before a new stadium even becomes feasible, knowing its most likely gonna break FFP anyway.
Unless FFP covers for it, I havent really read it because the concept is just ridiculous anyway.
They will liekly have provisions for that, its an obvious slap in the face for UEFA and their whole basis will fall to pieces if situations like that occur. Teams dont just sit up and say "ok lets start building a stadium!" Its alot of planning and when the situation occurs they can present the case and UEFA isnt going to be unreasonable about it. They have no reason to be. They have backtracked a fair bit on certain things but if they want to maintain any credibility they will have to put the foot down at some point. I can already imagine all the raging and court cases. Clubs have started taking it more seriously though so they are clearly worried UEFA isnt all talk.
The details with FFP get really murky and require alot of work and very smart people to figure out ways clubs will get around it. Even then some will, and UEFA will have to keep learning and adjust. Its really difficult and the status quo isnt changing anytime soon. The important thing is it doesnt get worse.
People keep saying smaller clubs in Spain and Italy have teams with debt problems but England has by far the highest total debt amongst all major leagues for a while now. Which again has lessened a fair bit but not to the extent that removes concern. Germany is the only one that fixed the problem and is keeping their house in order and frankly Germans are just good at doing that in most respects period so its not all to surprising.
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On June 08 2012 05:40 iMonAhorsE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 01:13 AIOL! wrote:On June 07 2012 22:20 Pandemona wrote:On June 07 2012 21:06 Neelia wrote:On June 07 2012 18:56 AIOL! wrote:
T.Silva to Paris for 40M. Hahahah this is so good to be rich, now we don't fuck with us ! The man who holds QSG is by far the richest man in the football world, far richer than the guy at ManCity for exemple (who is like a "poor" cousin of the family). Not sure that's something to be proud of  It is  But it doesn't matter these days with FFP ruling coming in next year, if PSG don't balance the books it will be a pointless venture, unless they want to dominate just the French league, which i cant see that. I'm very confident about that, they have a very strict salary policy, for exemple they pay Thiago Motta for less than what he had at Inter, every transferts we did was at the right price, we had Menez for 8M, T.Motta for 11 (top5 MD in the world in my opinion), the real success is that those guys are richer than anyone but they are very smart too and they don't spend money irationaly (like mancity for exemple). This season we were the third budget in Ligue1 after Lyon and Marseille and our higher salary was 4M, i think with the team we have now we could compete with the bests in europe with half there budget. So yes i'm proud that our club is rich but even prouder because our dirigents are very smart an know what they're doing even mancity wouldnt have payed 42 millions for pastore lol
This is the only player we payed higher than his real price, and he's still a young player with huge potential and one of the most beautifull i ever saw, trust me he's as elegant as Zidane or kaka when he was good. This why we surpayed him. But his salary is not that big, something like 3M, the kind of salary every club in PL can afford.
He was more like a 25M player but in the years coming he will be a monster. Trust me our dirigents are not like Chelsea's or Mancity's one, they are very good.
When clubs in PL will pay 8M for a guy like Menez and 11 for T.Motta (who's more like a 25M guy but so underrated) you will be able to criticize PSG.
At the moment i'm pretty sure our current team can beat any team in the world (even not beaing the favorites) except Barca / Madrid / Munich / dortmund maybe (but they lost to marseille 2 times lol)
so imagine in a few years with big and smart transferts. The only problem we have is that Ligue1 is not seen as a good championship by... everybody, but we are not as shity as that, the only thing we missed was 2 or 3 big clubs who constantly battle for the title.
Now Paris is becomming one of them, Lille has a merveillous play with a new stadium... Bordeux, Lyon and Marseille are still big and Montpellier will surprise and do big things in CL if they are able to keep there key players.
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On June 08 2012 19:56 AIOL! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 05:40 iMonAhorsE wrote:On June 08 2012 01:13 AIOL! wrote:On June 07 2012 22:20 Pandemona wrote:On June 07 2012 21:06 Neelia wrote:On June 07 2012 18:56 AIOL! wrote:
T.Silva to Paris for 40M. Hahahah this is so good to be rich, now we don't fuck with us ! The man who holds QSG is by far the richest man in the football world, far richer than the guy at ManCity for exemple (who is like a "poor" cousin of the family). Not sure that's something to be proud of It is But it doesn't matter these days with FFP ruling coming in next year, if PSG don't balance the books it will be a pointless venture, unless they want to dominate just the French league, which i cant see that. I'm very confident about that, they have a very strict salary policy, for exemple they pay Thiago Motta for less than what he had at Inter, every transferts we did was at the right price, we had Menez for 8M, T.Motta for 11 (top5 MD in the world in my opinion), the real success is that those guys are richer than anyone but they are very smart too and they don't spend money irationaly (like mancity for exemple). This season we were the third budget in Ligue1 after Lyon and Marseille and our higher salary was 4M, i think with the team we have now we could compete with the bests in europe with half there budget. So yes i'm proud that our club is rich but even prouder because our dirigents are very smart an know what they're doing even mancity wouldnt have payed 42 millions for pastore lol Trust me our dirigents are not like Chelsea's or Mancity's one, they are very good. At the moment i'm pretty sure our current team can beat any team in the world (even not beaing the favorites) except Barca / Madrid / Munich / dortmund maybe (but they lost to marseille 2 times lol)
Haha, Chelsea was never gonna fork out 42 for pastore. You were the only club biting at that price.
On June 08 2012 19:56 AIOL! wrote:
At the moment i'm pretty sure our current team can beat any team in the world (even not beaing the favorites) except Barca / Madrid / Munich / dortmund maybe (but they lost to marseille 2 times lol)
Any team can do anything on their day, come back when you can do it consistently.
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On June 07 2012 18:56 AIOL! wrote:
T.Silva to Paris for 40M. Hahahah this is so good to be rich, now we don't fuck with us ! The man who holds QSG is by far the richest man in the football world, far richer than the guy at ManCity for exemple (who is like a "poor" cousin of the family).
Yeah, the pharaonian luxury in this sport sometimes upsets me. To quote english football column from like 1 year ago "In a match against Manchester City, Chelsea played as if it wanted to prove that the poorer club is always doomed to lose."
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it's funny because initially Chelsea and Paris wanted Pastore, Chelsea has offered 40M and then Paris came with 42 And then you buy Hazard and Hulk foer 40 and 50M and you say we don't pay the righ price. Quite funny.
Nene: 4M (as good as Hazard but always underrated) and Menez 8.
We have winger that cost 10 times less than yours and are as good as yours. Then you come to say we surpay our players.
We have less than 150M budget, wich is nothing compared to half the premier league clubs and i'm pretty sur if we competed in PL we would be just behind Arsenal.
And yeah we could consistently beat 3/4 of the PL but within 2 or 3 years we will be able to consistently be in 1/4 or 1/2 of CL.
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Japan destroyed Jordan today.
Honda + Endo is a sick midfield.
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I don't know about others but ...
... I hate naivety mixed with shitty french-english.
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On June 08 2012 20:19 AIOL! wrote:it's funny because initially Chelsea and Paris wanted Pastore, Chelsea has offered 40M and then Paris came with 42 And then you buy Hazard and Hulk foer 40 and 50M and you say we don't pay the righ price. Quite funny. Nene: 4M (as good as Hazard but always underrated) and Menez 8. We have winger that cost 10 times less than yours and are as good as yours. Then you come to say we surpay our players. We have less than 150M budget, wich is nothing compared to half the premier league clubs and i'm pretty sur if we competed in PL we would be just behind Arsenal. And yeah we could consistently beat 3/4 of the PL but within 2 or 3 years we will be able to consistently be in 1/4 or 1/2 of CL.
I think your being a bit presumptuous. PSG's Shiekh is certainly more suited as far as running teams is concerned and he has a better handle on whats being done with his money. But we can start talking when you can get past the likes of Montpellier to win the league and getting results in Europe. Ive seen PSG a few games and they got considerably staler as the season went on.
Montpellier doesnt have the squad to do well in a season while playing in Europe. Doesnt mean they cant but these sort of fanboyish poorly constructed predicitions are really annoying and need to stay in the NBA thread.
"We only lost to Montpellier because they are so good."
Well you shouldnt have. Everyone was under the impression it would be a coast and really it shouldve been.
The current Nene is not remotely as good as Hazard if he was as good as Hazard people would call him as good + hes old while Hazard is not. Ive seen him at his peak playing for Alaves alongside Jordi Cruyff and Ive seen a fair bit of Hazard aswell so how good Hazard turns out to be is a different issue but hes cheaper because hes old, hes more experienced but certainly not as good. Not anymore.
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On June 08 2012 21:03 sharkie wrote:
Japan destroyed Jordan today.
Honda + Endo is a sick midfield.
Eh, Jordan shouldn't be used as a yard stick for Japan's skill level. Just wait until they play Australia/Iraq for a better estimation of their skill.
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Montpellier are ready for Cl. They have on the bench players like Cabella, Ait-fana, Stambouli. Youngs coming from the formation system but already top class, seriously i don't worry about them.
And i'm presomptious because dissing PSG is usual every-where on the internet, and here too, so i defend my team and i'm proud of his history, Susic, Weah, Rai,Ginola, Ronaldinho, Pauleta played for us. Back in the 90's we made 4 semifinals of C1 in a row, we were a top club and the logic wanted that we continue being a top club but our past dirigents did things poorly. They buyed the club only because of the image Paris can give and made money with our club, without giving a shit about us, without giving money.
Now new dirigents came with a great project for the club, wanting to give him the notoriety he should already have, and what we find is moking and dissing every-where, in France and in europe. So i'm proud of what we are doing, i'm proud to compete with Mancity and Chelsea to buy players, because our club is historical, without many titles but with a soul very few clubs have.
When some compare PSG and Mancity it make me angry because it has nothing in common except money. Before the Qataris came this club had something more than Mancity (without lacking respect to mancity fans who are certainly fans for not so long)
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On June 08 2012 21:24 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 21:03 sharkie wrote:
Japan destroyed Jordan today.
Honda + Endo is a sick midfield. Eh, Jordan shouldn't be used as a yard stick for Japan's skill level. Just wait until they play Australia/Iraq for a better estimation of their skill.
6-0 is still a score line many European sides wouldn't be able to do.
Asia is becoming stronger and stronger, its about time everyone stops underestimating them.
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On June 08 2012 20:19 AIOL! wrote:it's funny because initially Chelsea and Paris wanted Pastore, Chelsea has offered 40M and then Paris came with 42 And then you buy Hazard and Hulk foer 40 and 50M and you say we don't pay the righ price. Quite funny. Nene: 4M (as good as Hazard but always underrated) and Menez 8. We have winger that cost 10 times less than yours and are as good as yours. Then you come to say we surpay our players. We have less than 150M budget, wich is nothing compared to half the premier league clubs and i'm pretty sur if we competed in PL we would be just behind Arsenal. And yeah we could consistently beat 3/4 of the PL but within 2 or 3 years we will be able to consistently be in 1/4 or 1/2 of CL.
Do you believe everything the papers write? Chelsea bid for A LOT of players then. Clubs use Chelsea's name (And now probably city or you) to raise prices.
We haven't bought hulk. We also don't have wingers, unless you count hazard as one. Mata is like half a winger if you wanna be anal about it.
You can't pick a team out a league and say how they would do in another league. Just doesn't work.
In the end, you gotta walk the walk before you talk the talk.
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Got a feeling the euros will be remembered for racism and teams walking off
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Can't believe I almost missed that. Huntelaar about Messi v Cristiano
"Who's better, Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo? Messi. Ronaldo is good, but Messi is ten times better. Messi can dribble someone on a square metre, while Ronaldo needs more space. It’s talent against training. Ronaldo also has talent, but most is acquired. It’s not less skilful, but it’s not as beautiful and good. Messi is pure class."
Exactly how I feel. Very well mr.Klaas, very well.
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Well USA got 3 points from their first game for World Cup qualification. However, it was not pretty, as a 3-1 result against Antigua and Barbuda is not what we would really expect. Oh well, that's what happens when we have no more options at left back and apparently training sessions have been forcing our players to play exceptionally tired. At least we got 3 points.
Guatemala on Tuesday may be a different story, however.
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On June 07 2012 22:36 sharkie wrote:
whats with all those kagawa only being a 2nd striker comments?
He almost only plays midfield in Japan and dominantly too. He is a midfielder who just likes to go into the box a lot.
He has also had a lot of touches in Dortmund. He always fed Grosskreutz and Kuba a lot of passes from the middle.
Actually, he plays on the wings a lot for Japan, giving up the #10 role he usually plays at Dortmund up to honda. He rarely plays a true cm/dm role. Man u is trying to play a 4-2-3-1/4-4-1-1 now. While a second striker and #10 have different roles, they play in pretty much the same position. This means only one of Rooney, welbeck, chich, will play at forward if kagawa plays in the whole. But fergie will probably try to play with two of those, and try kagawa at cm. problem is, in a 4-2-3-1, the cm has some defensive duties that I'm not sure kagawa will be ready for.
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Argentina vs Brazil clashes with Germany vs Portugal. Damn.
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