2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 124
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On December 08 2011 23:06 Sated wrote: As a United fan, I hope we use the Europa League as an opportunity to gift our promising youth players (Pogba, Morrison, Fryers and Amos in particular - all of whom actually played well against Crystal Palace despite the defeat (see spoiler)) and players who need to show whether or not they're good enough to stay (Macheda, Rafael, Fabio, Anderson and probably Gibson) some time on the pitch. The Europa League is a joke and it deserves to be treated as such. + Show Spoiler + It was Valencia and Mame Diouf's refusal to stick to their wings that really hurt our attacking ambitions in that game, as evidenced by the final few minutes were Valencia created a bunch of chances by finally going down to the byline. The lack of width this created meant that the Palace defence were more than able to cope as they weren't being stretched. The players in the centre of the midfield didn't actually play that badly, especially Morrison and Gibson, and it wasn't as if the two defensive players on the pitch for Palace's first goal (Fryers and Amos) could do much about that ridiculous strike from 35+ yards EDIT: As much as last night's defeat was painful, we lost our chance to qualify in the home game against Basle. I was at that game and I didn't walk away from OT in a joyous mood, despite our late equaliser. We were fully in control, as we were last night, but defensive errors again cost us a win. I can't think of a time in my life (I've been supporting Man United since I was 4 and I'm almost 25 now) were United have been so consistently poor for such a long stretch or time. I know that this is a re-building year given the youth we have both bought in and are trying to push into the side, but it isn't fun at all. Christmas wish-list: + Show Spoiler + Ferguson to realise that Rooney is not a prolific finisher and never will be. Either play Rooney behind a poacher in a 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 formation or up-top in a 4-4-2 formation but never up-top on his own. Hernandez is obviously perfect for this poacher role, but his current injury means that a second player of such calibre is required. Owen can work as a stop-gap but is also injury prone and obviously not a long-term solution, Berbatov is a link-up player like Rooney and can't be a poacher, Macheda probably isn't good enough, and Diouf is a donkey. Bring in a creative midfielder to supplement Cleverly. Carrick is getting some confidence back but he doesn't get forward enough (and I wouldn't expect him too since he is definitely a defensive-midfielder). Giggs isn't good enough to play in the middle because he simply isn't Scholes even if Ferguson wants him to be, much better used out wide despite his lack of pace. Morrison is creative, quick and good on the ball, but he isn't good enough/experienced enough yet and he has an explosive temper. Gibson can hit cracking long-balls out to the wing and his shots are obviously a massive boon, but he is a bit slow and so is a defensive liability when not played alongside a dedicated defensive midfielder - still, as an attacking-midfielder I think Gibson can make it at United, people should really lay off him. Anderson can worry defences with his attacking runs, but his passing and link up play are lacking - possibly a good option alongside an attack-minded Gibson/Cleverly/Morrison due to his pace and strength, though! Tie Valencia to the wing, literally if needs be. When he came to United he was amazing, even if he was one-dimensional, because sometimes a player only needs to do one thing over and over if they are good enough at doing it! Work out a way to get the best out of Ashley Young consistently. Jones is clearly a defensive-midfielder rather than a centre-back, play him there more often! What I would play with the current squad (4-2-3-1)! GK: Lindegaard, RB: Smalling, CB Vidic, CB Ferdinand, LB Evra, DM Jones, DM Cleverly, RW Nani, AM Rooney, LW Young, ST Hernandez Bench: De Gea, Rafael, Fabio, Carrick, Gibson, Berbatov, Owen I haven't watched every game of recent but results wise it surely hasn't been as bad as back in 05 when the Glazers took over and we finished last in our CL group. I'm just worried now that Vidic is out for long term, Evans/Jones/Smalling won't be good enough to cover. I gave up on Evans long ago, he's too slow and can't man mark a decent striker to save his life. | ||
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MasterKush
United Kingdom568 Posts
On December 09 2011 08:07 Sated wrote: No. It's not worth it and it would be a vanity buy. We shouldn't spend big money on players who are already at their peak and Sneijder would cost too much. Way too much. It's been so glaringly obvious for a few seasons now, that we need a young creative centre/attacking midfielder who is incredibly gifted like Scholes was. I don't think we'll ever find a Scholes replacement though. Those kinds of players just don't exist anymore with how football has evolved. I would personally love for us to look into players like Mario Goetze from Dortmund. The type of player who can dribble for days and slot through balls for fun, but will get back and put in their fair share of work to win possession back. The realistic thing that Ferguson should be considering now though, is a change of formation. We definitely need to play with a true defensive midfielder who sits in front of the defence and doesn't take risks going forward when we counter-attack. Carrick or Jones would fit that role fine if they would discipline themselves a bit more, Jones is especially guilty of this. I don't know why we seem to be using Fletcher so sparingly too, is he really back to 100% fitness since his illness or is there something we don't know? I'm not even joking when I say he is probably our best player behind Rooney and Vidic. I think we need a shake up anyway, the mentality & tactics we're using right now is just too risky. We seem to have forgotten how to defend like we used too, and we're leaving ourselves FAR too exposed when we make our once trademark counter-attacks. I have faith in Sir Alex though, I always have. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28714 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On December 09 2011 10:21 Liquid`Drone wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuKva8GUwBk&feature=share Omg that was so funny. But why would they punish the cute little girl, T_T. In other news it's el classico time again. Boy I'm excited. Messi will show Ronaldo who's boss once again. Oh and btw, fuck dortmund. I'm an Olympiakos fan so you get the picture. /sadface | ||
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
This season certainly won't be one of united's best, they need to spend money if they want to compete for the title again and not become a team competing for 4th place like arsenal or liverpool these days | ||
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
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uberMatt
Canada659 Posts
ugh also i dont' know if it was talked about at the time, but the maribor brugge match had to be the game of the year so far, absolutely ridiculous | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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norlock
Netherlands918 Posts
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Ayush_SCtoss
India3050 Posts
On December 11 2011 08:20 norlock wrote: Van Persie scored an amazing goal again, against Everton. Just one more goal (from 4 games that remain this year for Arsenal...or 5, don't remember) and he will equal Henry's record of most calendar goals (34) and 3 more to equal Shearer's. He can do it imo. | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
Barça is just too good. Best. Team. In. The. World. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
Kaboul was quite literally dragged to the ground by his arm in the box, then got a yellow for protesting. Then Kaboul shot from close range and Shawcross cleared it off the line with his elbow, which was deemed acceptable. Adebayor scored anyway a few seconds later but he was wrongfully called offside. Just to make it a bit more agonizing, Kaboul got a second yellow for a foul which was nowhere near yellow-level. Utterly disgraceful. Seriously, why is Chris Foy allowed to work these games? You'd think they would have cut him off after the Chelsea-QPR game. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
It's just frustrating that Spurs' excellent run was brought to an end by awful refereeing. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Watch from 4:00 because the match was pretty darn bad (probably because of the whole drama last week). Don't want to bore you with the rest of the highlights. Fucking lol. Didn't matter this time but could you imagine if it did? | ||
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King.Crimson
Romania478 Posts
Edit: crap, it's actually in 1 hour. Got the timezones wrong. | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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