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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 23:07:47
December 08 2011 23:07 GMT
#2461
--- Nuked ---
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 08 2011 23:38 GMT
#2462
On December 08 2011 23:06 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 13:42 GTR wrote:
united to win europa league? xD

As a United fan, I hope we use the Europa League as an opportunity to gift our promising youth players (Pogba, Morrison, Fryers and Amos in particular - all of whom actually played well against Crystal Palace despite the defeat (see spoiler)) and players who need to show whether or not they're good enough to stay (Macheda, Rafael, Fabio, Anderson and probably Gibson) some time on the pitch. The Europa League is a joke and it deserves to be treated as such.

+ Show Spoiler +
It was Valencia and Mame Diouf's refusal to stick to their wings that really hurt our attacking ambitions in that game, as evidenced by the final few minutes were Valencia created a bunch of chances by finally going down to the byline. The lack of width this created meant that the Palace defence were more than able to cope as they weren't being stretched. The players in the centre of the midfield didn't actually play that badly, especially Morrison and Gibson, and it wasn't as if the two defensive players on the pitch for Palace's first goal (Fryers and Amos) could do much about that ridiculous strike from 35+ yards

EDIT:

As much as last night's defeat was painful, we lost our chance to qualify in the home game against Basle. I was at that game and I didn't walk away from OT in a joyous mood, despite our late equaliser. We were fully in control, as we were last night, but defensive errors again cost us a win. I can't think of a time in my life (I've been supporting Man United since I was 4 and I'm almost 25 now) were United have been so consistently poor for such a long stretch or time. I know that this is a re-building year given the youth we have both bought in and are trying to push into the side, but it isn't fun at all.

Christmas wish-list:

+ Show Spoiler +
Ferguson to realise that Rooney is not a prolific finisher and never will be. Either play Rooney behind a poacher in a 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 formation or up-top in a 4-4-2 formation but never up-top on his own. Hernandez is obviously perfect for this poacher role, but his current injury means that a second player of such calibre is required. Owen can work as a stop-gap but is also injury prone and obviously not a long-term solution, Berbatov is a link-up player like Rooney and can't be a poacher, Macheda probably isn't good enough, and Diouf is a donkey.

Bring in a creative midfielder to supplement Cleverly. Carrick is getting some confidence back but he doesn't get forward enough (and I wouldn't expect him too since he is definitely a defensive-midfielder). Giggs isn't good enough to play in the middle because he simply isn't Scholes even if Ferguson wants him to be, much better used out wide despite his lack of pace. Morrison is creative, quick and good on the ball, but he isn't good enough/experienced enough yet and he has an explosive temper. Gibson can hit cracking long-balls out to the wing and his shots are obviously a massive boon, but he is a bit slow and so is a defensive liability when not played alongside a dedicated defensive midfielder - still, as an attacking-midfielder I think Gibson can make it at United, people should really lay off him. Anderson can worry defences with his attacking runs, but his passing and link up play are lacking - possibly a good option alongside an attack-minded Gibson/Cleverly/Morrison due to his pace and strength, though!

Tie Valencia to the wing, literally if needs be. When he came to United he was amazing, even if he was one-dimensional, because sometimes a player only needs to do one thing over and over if they are good enough at doing it!

Work out a way to get the best out of Ashley Young consistently.

Jones is clearly a defensive-midfielder rather than a centre-back, play him there more often!

What I would play with the current squad (4-2-3-1)!

GK: Lindegaard,
RB: Smalling,
CB Vidic,
CB Ferdinand,
LB Evra,
DM Jones,
DM Cleverly,
RW Nani,
AM Rooney,
LW Young,
ST Hernandez

Bench: De Gea, Rafael, Fabio, Carrick, Gibson, Berbatov, Owen


I haven't watched every game of recent but results wise it surely hasn't been as bad as back in 05 when the Glazers took over and we finished last in our CL group. I'm just worried now that Vidic is out for long term, Evans/Jones/Smalling won't be good enough to cover. I gave up on Evans long ago, he's too slow and can't man mark a decent striker to save his life.
MasterKush
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom568 Posts
December 08 2011 23:38 GMT
#2463
On December 09 2011 08:07 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 23:50 RvB wrote:
On December 08 2011 23:06 Sated wrote:
On December 08 2011 13:42 GTR wrote:
united to win europa league? xD

As a United fan, I hope we use the Europa League as an opportunity to gift our promising youth players (Pogba, Morrison, Fryers and Amos in particular - all of whom actually played well against Crystal Palace despite the defeat (see spoiler)) and players who need to show whether or not they're good enough to stay (Macheda, Rafael, Fabio, Anderson and probably Gibson) some time on the pitch. The Europa League is a joke and it deserves to be treated as such.

+ Show Spoiler +
It was Valencia and Mame Diouf's refusal to stick to their wings that really hurt our attacking ambitions in that game, as evidenced by the final few minutes were Valencia created a bunch of chances by finally going down to the byline. The lack of width this created meant that the Palace defence were more than able to cope as they weren't being stretched. The players in the centre of the midfield didn't actually play that badly, especially Morrison and Gibson, and it wasn't as if the two defensive players on the pitch for Palace's first goal (Fryers and Amos) could do much about that ridiculous strike from 35+ yards

EDIT:

As much as last night's defeat was painful, we lost our chance to qualify in the home game against Basle. I was at that game and I didn't walk away from OT in a joyous mood, despite our late equaliser. We were fully in control, as we were last night, but defensive errors again cost us a win. I can't think of a time in my life (I've been supporting Man United since I was 4 and I'm almost 25 now) were United have been so consistently poor for such a long stretch or time. I know that this is a re-building year given the youth we have both bought in and are trying to push into the side, but it isn't fun at all.

Christmas wish-list:

+ Show Spoiler +
Ferguson to realise that Rooney is not a prolific finisher and never will be. Either play Rooney behind a poacher in a 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 formation or up-top in a 4-4-2 formation but never up-top on his own. Hernandez is obviously perfect for this poacher role, but his current injury means that a second player of such calibre is required. Owen can work as a stop-gap but is also injury prone and obviously not a long-term solution, Berbatov is a link-up player like Rooney and can't be a poacher, Macheda probably isn't good enough, and Diouf is a donkey.

Bring in a creative midfielder to supplement Cleverly. Carrick is getting some confidence back but he doesn't get forward enough (and I wouldn't expect him too since he is definitely a defensive-midfielder). Giggs isn't good enough to play in the middle because he simply isn't Scholes even if Ferguson wants him to be, much better used out wide despite his lack of pace. Morrison is creative, quick and good on the ball, but he isn't good enough/experienced enough yet and he has an explosive temper. Gibson can hit cracking long-balls out to the wing and his shots are obviously a massive boon, but he is a bit slow and so is a defensive liability when not played alongside a dedicated defensive midfielder - still, as an attacking-midfielder I think Gibson can make it at United, people should really lay off him. Anderson can worry defences with his attacking runs, but his passing and link up play are lacking - possibly a good option alongside an attack-minded Gibson/Cleverly/Morrison due to his pace and strength, though!

Tie Valencia to the wing, literally if needs be. When he came to United he was amazing, even if he was one-dimensional, because sometimes a player only needs to do one thing over and over if they are good enough at doing it!

Work out a way to get the best out of Ashley Young consistently.

Jones is clearly a defensive-midfielder rather than a centre-back, play him there more often!

What I would play with the current squad (4-2-3-1)!

GK: Lindegaard,
RB: Smalling,
CB Vidic,
CB Ferdinand,
LB Evra,
DM Jones,
DM Cleverly,
RW Nani,
AM Rooney,
LW Young,
ST Hernandez

Bench: De Gea, Rafael, Fabio, Carrick, Gibson, Berbatov, Owen


Do you think it would be good for United to buy Sneijder? Imo United doesn't have that good of a team and Ferguson usually gets the best out of it ( except this year in CL :D ). Someone like Sneijder can give a good quality injection into the team on the midfield atleast.

No. It's not worth it and it would be a vanity buy. We shouldn't spend big money on players who are already at their peak and Sneijder would cost too much. Way too much.


It's been so glaringly obvious for a few seasons now, that we need a young creative centre/attacking midfielder who is incredibly gifted like Scholes was. I don't think we'll ever find a Scholes replacement though. Those kinds of players just don't exist anymore with how football has evolved. I would personally love for us to look into players like Mario Goetze from Dortmund. The type of player who can dribble for days and slot through balls for fun, but will get back and put in their fair share of work to win possession back.

The realistic thing that Ferguson should be considering now though, is a change of formation. We definitely need to play with a true defensive midfielder who sits in front of the defence and doesn't take risks going forward when we counter-attack. Carrick or Jones would fit that role fine if they would discipline themselves a bit more, Jones is especially guilty of this. I don't know why we seem to be using Fletcher so sparingly too, is he really back to 100% fitness since his illness or is there something we don't know? I'm not even joking when I say he is probably our best player behind Rooney and Vidic.

I think we need a shake up anyway, the mentality & tactics we're using right now is just too risky. We seem to have forgotten how to defend like we used too, and we're leaving ourselves FAR too exposed when we make our once trademark counter-attacks. I have faith in Sir Alex though, I always have.
"Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race? Shocking, I know." - Liquid`Jinro
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28916 Posts
December 09 2011 01:21 GMT
#2464

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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 01:32:12
December 09 2011 01:30 GMT
#2465
On December 09 2011 10:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuKva8GUwBk&feature=share


Omg that was so funny. But why would they punish the cute little girl, T_T.

In other news it's el classico time again. Boy I'm excited. Messi will show Ronaldo who's boss once again.

Oh and btw, fuck dortmund. I'm an Olympiakos fan so you get the picture. /sadface
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
December 09 2011 11:48 GMT
#2466
Vidic out for the rest of the season...ouch
This season certainly won't be one of united's best, they need to spend money if they want to compete for the title again and not become a team competing for 4th place like arsenal or liverpool these days
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
December 09 2011 16:56 GMT
#2467
United in Europa League...sounds about right
uberMatt
Profile Joined May 2004
Canada659 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 18:48:59
December 09 2011 18:38 GMT
#2468
i was really looking forward to watching stoke play in the knockout stage of a european competition, now instead we'll get united's 2nd team stumbling along against mediocre european competition while some shit commentators inanely blather on about why they're out of the champions league and that they need to spend more money next year

ugh

also i dont' know if it was talked about at the time, but the maribor brugge match had to be the game of the year so far, absolutely ridiculous
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
December 10 2011 20:20 GMT
#2469
No threads about El Classico tonight?
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 10 2011 20:48 GMT
#2470
So El Classico starts in 12 minutes, correct?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
norlock
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands918 Posts
December 10 2011 23:20 GMT
#2471
Van Persie scored an amazing goal again, against Everton.
Are you human?
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
December 10 2011 23:27 GMT
#2472
On December 11 2011 08:20 norlock wrote:
Van Persie scored an amazing goal again, against Everton.


Just one more goal (from 4 games that remain this year for Arsenal...or 5, don't remember) and he will equal Henry's record of most calendar goals (34) and 3 more to equal Shearer's. He can do it imo.
End my suffering
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
December 11 2011 00:56 GMT
#2473
O.o Braça started off really bad, but then raped Madrid, I don't know how to put it, from being down 0-1 in second 22 fastest goal in any Clasico btw, to win 3-1 in the Bernabeu, I don't see Real Madrid beating Barça anytime soon after tonight's performance.
Barça is just too good. Best. Team. In. The. World.
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 18:19:15
December 11 2011 17:44 GMT
#2474
Just how many times can the referee fuck over Tottenham in this game?

Kaboul was quite literally dragged to the ground by his arm in the box, then got a yellow for protesting. Then Kaboul shot from close range and Shawcross cleared it off the line with his elbow, which was deemed acceptable. Adebayor scored anyway a few seconds later but he was wrongfully called offside. Just to make it a bit more agonizing, Kaboul got a second yellow for a foul which was nowhere near yellow-level. Utterly disgraceful.

Seriously, why is Chris Foy allowed to work these games? You'd think they would have cut him off after the Chelsea-QPR game.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
December 11 2011 18:33 GMT
#2475
Stoke/Spurs honestly looked rigged
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The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 12 2011 14:13 GMT
#2476
I don't usually complain about referees because it is not their fault that they make mistakes, but yeah yesterday's performance by Chris Foy and his linesmen in the Spurs v Stoke game was APPALLING. If you can't get any important decisions right, don't be a fucking referee. I quite literally lost count of the amount of decisions that wrongfully went Stoke's way. I mean, Adebayor was so onside that there was another Spurs player ahead of him who was also onside. If that was the only howler I could live with it but I lost count of how many decisions went Stoke's way wrongfully.

It's just frustrating that Spurs' excellent run was brought to an end by awful refereeing.
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
December 12 2011 18:21 GMT
#2477
A nice little follow-up to the disallowed Ajax goals btw against Real Madrid last week. In their game yesterday another goal was wrongly disallowed because of offside, this one takes the cake though.



Watch from 4:00 because the match was pretty darn bad (probably because of the whole drama last week). Don't want to bore you with the rest of the highlights.

Fucking lol. Didn't matter this time but could you imagine if it did?
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King.Crimson
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania478 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 19:00:50
December 12 2011 18:58 GMT
#2478
Chelsea vs Manchester City starting now. Should be epic!!

Edit: crap, it's actually in 1 hour. Got the timezones wrong.
Stimp
Profile Joined November 2010
South Africa780 Posts
December 12 2011 22:05 GMT
#2479
And Chelsea after an horrific start, conceding in 1/2 minutes, pull out a 2 -1 win
Don't count your apples before they've... grown
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
December 12 2011 22:11 GMT
#2480
FUCKING COME ON CHELSEA!!!! BLUE DAY!!!!
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