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On July 28 2011 01:37 5-s wrote:


This is so incredibly dense, Dota's a far different game then when you played (back then it was mainly about who had more aegis/rapiers, so I kind of understand your view). There's now an incredible amount of decision making in both LoL and Dota in close late game situations. Your argument is the equivalent of a Starcrafter saying there is no late game in Starcraft 2, if you're behind 50 food it's 90% loss, if you're behind 75 food 95%, it's all about the early game decisions, etc.. Just because you get behind in Dota by losing raxes does NOT prove anything about how much decision making there is. The map control and fights are much more intricate in Dota nowadays than before (to be honest, back then most people weren't very good at the genre and a few people who knew how to last hit and gank dominated everything). Your argument boils down to: if you get ahead early, late game is pretty much already decided. Guess what, this is intrinsic to how most strategy games function. Also, your statement about Dota being 5 individuals playing against 5 individuals makes me think you haven't watched a competitive Dota match in years.

Anyhow, League of Legends doing well can only mean well for other titles in the Genre. I recently have seen more people coming to Dota from LoL than before, in anticipation of Dota 2. The few players who went from hon/dota over to LoL in the recent past have usually done so for money, and that's cool for them also.

On July 28 2011 02:02 Alaron wrote:


Turnarounds happen so much in DotA/HoN its ridiculous. Ever win a LoL game 4v5 from the get go?
And once one hero gets farmed its over? Not at all, plenty of comebacks/denying that hero the farm they need. Theoretically you can push that heroes farm back indefinitely as long as he leaves the base. Mejai's Soulstealer, Sword of the Occult, Leviathan. Best 3 items on any hero in LoL.

On July 28 2011 02:10 Zdrastochye wrote:
Yes I've won 4v5s from the getgo. I've won LoL games with their carry starting 20-0, how would you ever be able to win once Devourer goes 20-0 to start?

I'm talking actually late-game turnarounds, where you win with a difference in score of like 100-10. Which is possible, but not in DotA or HoN.

On July 28 2011 02:10 Zdrastochye wrote:
Yes I've won 4v5s from the getgo. I've won LoL games with their carry starting 20-0, how would you ever be able to win once Devourer goes 20-0 to start?

I'm talking actually late-game turnarounds, where you win with a difference in score of like 100-10. Which is possible, but not in DotA or HoN.

On July 28 2011 02:10 Zdrastochye wrote:
Yes I've won 4v5s from the getgo. I've won LoL games with their carry starting 20-0, how would you ever be able to win once Devourer goes 20-0 to start?

I'm talking actually late-game turnarounds, where you win with a difference in score of like 100-10. Which is possible, but not in DotA or HoN.

On July 28 2011 02:30 sopas wrote:

in the actual lategame is when the game is the most volatile...games won't go late if you're getting overrun, bro.

On July 28 2011 02:16 deth2munkies wrote:
There's typically an hour+ long queue on the NA server during peak times,

On July 28 2011 01:06 Thereisnosaurus wrote:


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DOT DOT DOT.

Have you actually watched any competitive LoL? because there's like *one* character who can spam spells to kill creeps (karthus) without going OOM and losing their lane horribly within a few minutes. In fact, there are no characters that can waste mana on last hitting until level 8-10 because if you do you render yourself horrifically vulnerable to enemy harassment and ganks. There are several characters who don't use mana as a resource, but these are often even MORE unspammy in the very early game (mord/vlad) because they use health, or their abilities have high cooldowns and are mostly not useful for killing creeps (garen).

Players, even top tier players, may use spells on occasion to help them last hit, but rarely more than one spell per wave, if that. Spells are almost always aimed at opposing champions. There are a few characters like annie and karthus who can indeed 'spam' their basic nuke at minions making last hitting easy, but these champions are typically the type who melt if you piss on them. To use annie as an example, very squishy char, has a 5sec cooldown nuke as Q, gives the manacost back if you LH with it, every 5th spell you cast stuns for a second or so.

Now, if you just spam your Q to last hit minions, your opponent will simply wait till you Q with a stun on it and then jump on you and beat the shit out of you while it cools down and you can't do shit, in fact, they don't really even have to wait, so long as you don't have your stun stored, you're vulnerable to almost every other char

So, despite the fact you have this supposedly awesome last hitting tool, if you are playing anyone competent, you have to use your q 4 times and then never, ever again unless your opponent leaves lane, because it's your only zoning tool. You keep your stun ready and last hit with your AA like everyone else, because if you don't you lose half your health to a combo.

Similar mechanics stop spammyness from pretty much every other character at a decent level of play. Sure, noobs spam a lot, but we're talking serious noobs who go OOM with their lane partner and then killtrade while they're oom >.>.

That said, ability spamming DOES occur, just not against minions. A lot of characters have abilities that can be used to regularly harass, but opponents learn to never let them use them, or they can be dodged or juked so you eventually just waste your mana. Actual, real ability spam only ever starts happening around level 9-10 when core items start being finished to give people enough mana regen to support it, and by that time the lane phase is over in 60% of games, and ends shortly afterwards in 90%.

So quit talking out of your ass or actually support your argument with some examples please and thank you.

On July 28 2011 03:01 Corona` wrote:




The point was you don't need to manage your mana like you do in real games kiddo. I'll start quoting 1 line of a post and than write a page one it. Realize your retarded

On July 28 2011 03:08 Cytokinesis wrote:


You do have to manage your mana. I don't know where this comes from. Just because some player you see uses all his mana on creeps doesn't mean it's a good idea. Nothing makes me more upset than watching a game and seeing like a Brand use all his mana on creeps then having the jungle come to gank mid but they can't because the idiot Brand used all his mana on creeps.

it's a problem with the meta, not with the game. Hopefully eventually better players that come to LoL for the cash will iron out this shitty play.

On July 28 2011 03:01 Corona` wrote:
The point was you don't need to manage your mana like you do in real games kiddo your retarded

On July 28 2011 03:01 Corona` wrote:




The point was you don't need to manage your mana like you do in real games kiddo. I'll start quoting 1 line of a post and than write a page one it. Realize your retarded







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On July 28 2011 03:20 NotJack wrote:
You need to manage your mana in LoL like Bill Gates needs to manage his money

On July 28 2011 03:25 Microchaton wrote:


And this is why tons of people quitted HoN. Thanks for being a stereotype. Stupidly wrong and ad hominem insults.

And Notjack is not far behind in "blindness-to-facts". It's not because you get oom in one spell in DotA that you have "infinite" mana in LoL. That's one of the reason denies are actually okay in lane, because there're nothing else to do than autoattack stuff anyway. Is this better gameplay/skill-wise ? Well that's opinion-related, but I don't think so.