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Chiller274
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany59 Posts
August 10 2011 16:50 GMT
#761
thanks for the tipp

I do have now a 8 star administrator to keep my inflation down!
Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 17:05:50
August 10 2011 17:03 GMT
#762
On August 11 2011 01:32 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 00:50 Skilledblob wrote:
and if you followed the above guide like I mainly did with Brandenburg you can get something like this after some years of waiting until you are ready to pwn your neighbours ^^

[image loading]


my trade income is pretty low in that screenshot because of my infamy but in peace times it is around 150 or more per month


Lol, yeah.

You'd have to be actively trying to hurt yourself to not be like 3-4k Ducats rich by 1500 if you play the trading card right.

It's just a very "boring" thing to do, since you have few provinces to manage and you can't let your infamy get high otherwise your trading income just tanks.

Also, do you have Lucky Nations on? I've had it turned off for ages and I never have games where France or Castille or England are still that powerful by 1500, let alone 1669


What does lucky nations affect? Events? I tried changing some of the options once like historical leaders but it really took away a lot of the gameplay and I havent touched it since.

@Above : How do you get 8 star advisors? :o Ive only gotten 6

Edit: also, thanks for the awesome guide.
Aspiring British Caster / Masters Protoss
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 17:15:56
August 10 2011 17:11 GMT
#763
On August 11 2011 02:03 Vequeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 01:32 Fruscainte wrote:
On August 11 2011 00:50 Skilledblob wrote:
and if you followed the above guide like I mainly did with Brandenburg you can get something like this after some years of waiting until you are ready to pwn your neighbours ^^

[image loading]


my trade income is pretty low in that screenshot because of my infamy but in peace times it is around 150 or more per month


Lol, yeah.

You'd have to be actively trying to hurt yourself to not be like 3-4k Ducats rich by 1500 if you play the trading card right.

It's just a very "boring" thing to do, since you have few provinces to manage and you can't let your infamy get high otherwise your trading income just tanks.

Also, do you have Lucky Nations on? I've had it turned off for ages and I never have games where France or Castille or England are still that powerful by 1500, let alone 1669


What does lucky nations affect? Events? I tried changing some of the options once like historical leaders but it really took away a lot of the gameplay and I havent touched it since.

@Above : How do you get 8 star advisors? :o Ive only gotten 6


Lucky Nations is a bullshit mechanic that gives certain countries bullshit advantages. Lucky Nations include: Castille/Spain, Muscovy/Russia, Ottomans, England/Great Britain, France, Austria, Prussia, Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden. If you got Random Lucky Nations on, semi-large nations get a roll between them to see who gets the bonus': All the formers, Byzantium Empire, Burgundy, Lithuania, Mamluks, T.O., Hungary, Milan, Timurid, Bohemia, Aragon.

The bonus', as I said earlier, are so bullshit it just makes the game broken as hell and makes it very boring since the same countries always control the world in the end. Random is sort of better, but you quickly find out who has the Bonus and it's just a steamroll from them at that point.

The bonus' include:

Merchant Compete Chance: +10%
Colonist Placement Chance: +10%
Missionary Yearly Success Chance: +1.5%
Leader Fire: +1
Leader Shock: +1
All Tech Cost: -2%
Spy Efficiency: +5%
Stability Cost Modifier: -50%


It's such a joke how much of an advantage this gives to whoever gets it.

This is an example of how games turn out with no Lucky Nations on, on personal experience (note I did not play, just put it on x5, gave myself like 150k ducats and let it roll for a few hours to see how it would turn out):

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

[image loading]


Yeah, that's Granada in South America.


Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
August 10 2011 17:28 GMT
#764
Haha, I kinda wondered why going from playing England to Japan was such a huuge change on the same difficulty.
Aspiring British Caster / Masters Protoss
impirion
Profile Joined October 2010
124 Posts
August 10 2011 17:51 GMT
#765
Lucky nations are more important if you are playing a major country, since you then actually have people to fight later in the game. otherwise everyone's really rather small compared to you come 1650 and you have nothing to do that's really a challenge.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
August 10 2011 17:58 GMT
#766
On August 11 2011 02:51 impirion wrote:
Lucky nations are more important if you are playing a major country, since you then actually have people to fight later in the game. otherwise everyone's really rather small compared to you come 1650 and you have nothing to do that's really a challenge.


I dont understand how people play one nation for an entire game. I switch nations every 100 or so years. I'll get Brandenburg super powerful and form Prussia, and then switch to another country on the save and get big, and then turn to the country I fucked over and fight back into power. I play like 3-5 countries every full game.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
August 10 2011 18:10 GMT
#767
On August 11 2011 02:28 Vequeth wrote:
Haha, I kinda wondered why going from playing England to Japan was such a huuge change on the same difficulty.


lucky Nations is not the only reason you had that feeling.

To make the game more historical accurate the western european nations have huge bonuses when it comes to teching and the strengh of their units
StateSC2
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)621 Posts
August 10 2011 19:38 GMT
#768
[image loading]

And it all started with Tuscany!

8)
Fireblast!: "This guy is pointless and wonderful"
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
August 10 2011 20:59 GMT
#769
On August 11 2011 00:50 Skilledblob wrote:
and if you followed the above guide like I mainly did with Brandenburg you can get something like this after some years of waiting until you are ready to pwn your neighbours ^^

[image loading]


my trade income is pretty low in that screenshot because of my infamy but in peace times it is around 150 or more per month

You seem pretty lucky with this. Scandinavia formed really early here and are a deadly force. Luckily they can't land in middle europe. And no nation went that huge.

In my game, I started to get stronger than Poland and Bohemia and made war with the latter all the time to get money(well, from the smaller states who entered with them) and some prestige. The problem is Austria, they are getting bigger and bigger and have so many allies and influence and bla. Weren't it for them, I would be the strongest nation in my area. France is getting beaten now, has war with so many nations and they lost most of their territory in original France. They are mostly in Castille's area now while Castille is in Africa and they have one provinces right next to me(which I would need to form Germany). I wish it would be easier to wage war, everyone is connected except for me. The only allies I have are the nations I freed -.-
It's 16XX at the moment and should Austria decided to go to war, I'm screwed. I have like 70 troops but they have probably 100+, not even counting their brothers in arms.
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 22:10:59
August 10 2011 21:54 GMT
#770
Someone explain this to me; How the fuck can Hungary, after we have peace, still go to war against me (casus belli; gaurantee shitty nation) and NOT suffer -5 stability?!
I would.

Why the fuck?!

EDIT: AND WE HAVE A GODAMN ROYAL MARRIGE

THE FUCK

I'm angry here because I'm playing Transylvania, and boy is it hard, but after managing to anex 1 neighbour country and get 250 gold from Ottoman and not die, I have a 10 year long war with Hungary where Poland/Lith/Napals is my ally but only Poland does anything but they're attacked from like 5 sides whilst no one attacks Hungary (even though everyone around him hates him yet loves me due Royal Marriage) and when I finally give up and just take White Peace with Hungary, he attacks Poland one year later (the hell?) and I can't join because I don't even get "Allience" casus belli and even if I wanted to I'd suffer -8 Stability, whilst when I declare war on Moldavia Hungary declares war on me?...

Sigh bullshit AI and bullshit cheating and god fucking damnit Poland should win the war because his armies are bigger but derpahurp AI just stands and sieges and dies with attrition....
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Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 22:59:36
August 10 2011 22:53 GMT
#771
well you only get - stability when you declare war directly

meaning if you answer calls to arms you dont get -stability if you fought them before. That's at least how I understand it.

On August 11 2011 05:59 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 00:50 Skilledblob wrote:
and if you followed the above guide like I mainly did with Brandenburg you can get something like this after some years of waiting until you are ready to pwn your neighbours ^^

[image loading]


my trade income is pretty low in that screenshot because of my infamy but in peace times it is around 150 or more per month

You seem pretty lucky with this. Scandinavia formed really early here and are a deadly force. Luckily they can't land in middle europe. And no nation went that huge.



there is really not much luck involved. You cant see that so good on that screenshot but around 1500-1550 I had around 10 or more vassals because I pretty much beat down all the smaller states around me. That allowed me easy victories even against bigger countries because I could focus my army while my vassals swarm the enemies territories, which made them split up enough so that I could crush their armies on after another

playing some games as Portugal right now and Castile is fucking disgusting. No chance to fight back so I ally them which makes me take place in constant useless wars and if Castile is stupid enough he attacks france and gets pwned and me too.

If I stop the alliance Castile gets one core province after another in my homelands and starts killing me -_-

I had like the whole carribean when they decided to kill me completely, stupid asshats
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 23:28:30
August 10 2011 23:27 GMT
#772
I think you can still get -stab if you break a truce though, even if answering an allies call.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
August 10 2011 23:30 GMT
#773
On August 11 2011 08:27 BloodNinja wrote:
I think you can still get -stab if you break a truce though, even if answering an allies call.


the AI did that multiple times against me without any -stability so I am not sure.
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 23:39:38
August 10 2011 23:32 GMT
#774
On August 11 2011 07:53 Skilledblob wrote:
well you only get - stability when you declare war directly

meaning if you answer calls to arms you dont get -stability if you fought them before. That's at least how I understand it.

Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 05:59 Lucumo wrote:
On August 11 2011 00:50 Skilledblob wrote:
and if you followed the above guide like I mainly did with Brandenburg you can get something like this after some years of waiting until you are ready to pwn your neighbours ^^

[image loading]


my trade income is pretty low in that screenshot because of my infamy but in peace times it is around 150 or more per month

You seem pretty lucky with this. Scandinavia formed really early here and are a deadly force. Luckily they can't land in middle europe. And no nation went that huge.




I had like the whole carribean when they decided to kill me completely, stupid asshats

You do get - when you are called to arms, try it yourself, and notice when you want to call to arms allies some have "Truce, -5" = Impossible to be called.

Seriously anyone who want's a devilish difficulty try Transylvania, fuck playing as an African or American nation, As Transylvania you're stuck inbetween powerhungry Ottomans, Hungary (which starts out as your lord and you its vassal) and the fucking Golden Horde which is raping me right now...
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BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
August 10 2011 23:33 GMT
#775
Maybe diff rules for AI vs humans? Also given the amount of revolts I regularly see in AI territories I am not sure they care as much about stab as human players.
Roflhaxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1244 Posts
August 11 2011 02:28 GMT
#776
damn my save just went corrupt, was in 1602 recently formed scandinavia, was HRE emperor so constantly 100 prestige, a lot of colonies in america etc. Stuff was going so well Now whenever I try and load the save the game crashes.
A game where the first thing you do is scout with a “worker”. Does that make any sense? Who scouts with a “worker”? That’s like sending out the janitor to perform recon, what general would do that? Retarded game.
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
August 11 2011 03:38 GMT
#777
Well it's going good now but I have to admit I did cheat once when for 11 years I did the best and most badass micro of my armies, fighting off Hungary and the Golden Horde (or rather having my whole terretory occupied by either them or rebels but still keeping myself alive whilst they were getting more and more war exhaustion) but when AI's that would not only benefit but directly NEED Hungary to die/lose some power suddenly declare war on me and Poland that's just bullshit AI (these were Austria+half of Italy whom all had Royal Marrige with me and Austria had been at war with Hungary before).
So I loaded a save as Hungary and declared war on Austria. Still difficulty as fuck.


But one of the many things they need to fucking fix is; Conversion of Religion.... what a piece of shit system that is.
Some provinces with 100 000+ populance is converted in a month, others with 17% chance are not converted in literally 30 years (Gotten cores on Wallachia, but religion is still Orthodox and leeching my poor ass economy).
Now Shogun Total War 2 doesn't have the best religious system but it is damn well much better than this bullshit diceroll.
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Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
August 11 2011 06:34 GMT
#778
On August 11 2011 07:53 Skilledblob wrote:
well you only get - stability when you declare war directly

meaning if you answer calls to arms you dont get -stability if you fought them before. That's at least how I understand it.

Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 05:59 Lucumo wrote:
On August 11 2011 00:50 Skilledblob wrote:
and if you followed the above guide like I mainly did with Brandenburg you can get something like this after some years of waiting until you are ready to pwn your neighbours ^^

[image loading]


my trade income is pretty low in that screenshot because of my infamy but in peace times it is around 150 or more per month

You seem pretty lucky with this. Scandinavia formed really early here and are a deadly force. Luckily they can't land in middle europe. And no nation went that huge.



there is really not much luck involved. You cant see that so good on that screenshot but around 1500-1550 I had around 10 or more vassals because I pretty much beat down all the smaller states around me. That allowed me easy victories even against bigger countries because I could focus my army while my vassals swarm the enemies territories, which made them split up enough so that I could crush their armies on after another

That gives you a lot of infamy though which will lead in turn to bad events(or so I have heard). And the smaller states are almost always allied with one of the bigger nations around you(that was the case when I played at least). So you have to be patient and wait for the big nation to engage a war and then take on the small one.
Also, my stupid provinces don't convert to the national religion, no idea why -_-
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
August 11 2011 08:39 GMT
#779
On August 11 2011 15:34 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 07:53 Skilledblob wrote:
well you only get - stability when you declare war directly

meaning if you answer calls to arms you dont get -stability if you fought them before. That's at least how I understand it.

On August 11 2011 05:59 Lucumo wrote:
On August 11 2011 00:50 Skilledblob wrote:
and if you followed the above guide like I mainly did with Brandenburg you can get something like this after some years of waiting until you are ready to pwn your neighbours ^^

[image loading]


my trade income is pretty low in that screenshot because of my infamy but in peace times it is around 150 or more per month

You seem pretty lucky with this. Scandinavia formed really early here and are a deadly force. Luckily they can't land in middle europe. And no nation went that huge.



there is really not much luck involved. You cant see that so good on that screenshot but around 1500-1550 I had around 10 or more vassals because I pretty much beat down all the smaller states around me. That allowed me easy victories even against bigger countries because I could focus my army while my vassals swarm the enemies territories, which made them split up enough so that I could crush their armies on after another

That gives you a lot of infamy though which will lead in turn to bad events(or so I have heard). And the smaller states are almost always allied with one of the bigger nations around you(that was the case when I played at least). So you have to be patient and wait for the big nation to engage a war and then take on the small one.
Also, my stupid provinces don't convert to the national religion, no idea why -_-


I didnt get any infamy because I only attacked other countries when I had the mission to annex or vassalize them and you get these missions all the time as Brandenburg
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10950 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 09:10:31
August 11 2011 08:59 GMT
#780
So I took my old savegame where I had "franche-xxx" next to Burgund, Burgundi being down to just one province looked yummi, so I broke the peace and took Burgund. I could immediately get peace and keep Burgund again so everything went perfect.. ).
So 1-2 Years later... Bavaria is attacking the 2 provinces of Baden (which had only Scotland as ally). Bavaria made peace... I went in... Baden is mine .

This all happened before I got my first national Idea or anything of the likes, so pretty early :p.

Now my problem:
Revolts can happen in basically every province, my stability is way down (revolt chance is at like 20%) and inflation is at like 5.X (I can't get a Master of Mint -.-)....

On a side note: FUCK METEORITS.

Any Idea how to solve this? The "rebels" are often stronger (basically ALL of them except peasents from baden) than my army and there is not that much I can do against this, they are like way stronger (my income sucks because being totally decentralized Switzerland going to war all the time is not exactly profitable.
If I could somehow stabilize and get them traders going it would actually look really good, but I get the feeling it's a little late for that...
Should i just reload with just one extra province and stabilize from there?

Questions:
1.: Can I somehow "force" to get masters of mint? I most of the time just get colonizing and navy ones, which are totally useless to me...

2.: War... So Cavalry seems to be basically useless in Sieges... When does it really shine then? When defending against someone trying to Siege me? Or when Sieging something and getting attacked?
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