Haven't played wow for some years now and I don't intend to ever play it again. However, I really did like the Battleground aspect of the game, and I'm missing the 3rd person, multiclass based PvP to be honest!
Have you played or heard of any games reminiscent of the wow battlegrounds?
P.S. I know about DOTA and all it's clones
Edit: Oh yes sorry, i should have added that I don't wan't to start some other MMORPG, it's the concept of the BGs I love and the grinding and leveling i'm tired of .
Have you looked at Bloodline Champions? The game is getting pretty big in Europe. You should definitely give it a shot.
There are modes like Arena, Conquest (Capture the Area), and Capture the Artifact(Flag). There about 20 different characters that can be played. Team compositions usually have a tank, support, and damage, yes, tanks are actually viable in this game. There are in-game tournaments every day.
Pretty much every MMO that has been released since WoW has got some form of battleground in it rly, you are kinda spoiled for choice if that's all you want
Have you tried Mount and Blade: Fire and Sword Its large scale medeival battles with up to 200 players. You can choose between infantry/ranged(muskets or bows)/and cavelry I got it off steam for 14.99 and I gotta tell ya...its really addicting.
the graphics arn't the best but if you give it a shot im sure youll enjoy it. This is what WoW bg's always should have been in my opinion!
Sadly there's no such game :< I'm also looking for something similar. BLC is very good, like a promod for WoW arena, but the scope, struggle and fun of open world PvP and to some extend battlegrounds that you find in MMOs like WoW has yet to be captured in stand alone title.
Can't believe "3D DOTA" (non-perspective locked) hasn't been made yet.
I've been waiting for one since the dawn of time. Guild Wars and WoW were the only ones I've actually liked though the dota-likes are ok. I think the only one to look forward to is Guild Wars 2. I've always thought Blizzard should just release Warcraft: Battlegrounds where you just pick a class, distribute its skill points and join a game of Arathi Basin.
On May 11 2011 07:59 clik wrote: I've been waiting for one since the dawn of time. Guild Wars and WoW were the only ones I've actually liked though the dota-likes are ok. I think the only one to look forward to is Guild Wars 2. I've always thought Blizzard should just release Warcraft: Battlegrounds where you just pick a class, distribute its skill points and join a game of Arathi Basin.
What'd be the point of that? You might as well play wow then. I really don't see what the big problem with just playing wow is. It's got the very BG's you want and if you do get bored of that, you can do other stuff.
And really, the grinding isn't that bad. Spend a month getting to 85 and learning you class and you're good to go. It's basically like climbing the ladder of SC2. Not much point getting thrown in at 85 first. Start off slow and get there. Really not that big a commitment, it isn't that expensive, assuming you have a job.
On May 11 2011 07:41 BandonBanshee wrote: Have you tried Mount and Blade: Fire and Sword Its large scale medeival battles with up to 200 players. You can choose between infantry/ranged(muskets or bows)/and cavelry I got it off steam for 14.99 and I gotta tell ya...its really addicting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKilycSB0Yo the graphics arn't the best but if you give it a shot im sure youll enjoy it. This is what WoW bg's always should have been in my opinion!
I'll second this. I've actually never played it, so I can't recommend it personally, but from what I've watched/read, this game is very BG-eque.
EVE Nowhere else can you just come to after a hard day pack up some cheap ass thing and go out to ruin some poor fools day.
Wars rage and the actions you do one day affect the worlds of hundreds of thousands of other people. Not the devs and their retarded "events" But you take your friends and their friends and take whats someone else's. And when you have something you must fight to keep your home.
On May 11 2011 07:59 clik wrote: I've been waiting for one since the dawn of time. Guild Wars and WoW were the only ones I've actually liked though the dota-likes are ok. I think the only one to look forward to is Guild Wars 2. I've always thought Blizzard should just release Warcraft: Battlegrounds where you just pick a class, distribute its skill points and join a game of Arathi Basin.
What'd be the point of that? You might as well play wow then. I really don't see what the big problem with just playing wow is. It's got the very BG's you want and if you do get bored of that, you can do other stuff.
And really, the grinding isn't that bad. Spend a month getting to 85 and learning you class and you're good to go. It's basically like climbing the ladder of SC2. Not much point getting thrown in at 85 first. Start off slow and get there. Really not that big a commitment, it isn't that expensive, assuming you have a job.
What's the point of BLC then? What's the point of PvP characters in Guild Wars then? What' the point of an FPS? It's called instant gratification. Take away the monotonous grind that some of us don't want to do due to having a job, limited time, and get right down to what we want to do.
I can see your point that it would be just WoW without all the WoW stuff. I guess I'm basically giving an example of a game I'd like to see with the polish, and mechanics that WoW pvp play offers.
On May 11 2011 07:59 clik wrote: I've been waiting for one since the dawn of time. Guild Wars and WoW were the only ones I've actually liked though the dota-likes are ok. I think the only one to look forward to is Guild Wars 2. I've always thought Blizzard should just release Warcraft: Battlegrounds where you just pick a class, distribute its skill points and join a game of Arathi Basin.
What'd be the point of that? You might as well play wow then. I really don't see what the big problem with just playing wow is. It's got the very BG's you want and if you do get bored of that, you can do other stuff.
And really, the grinding isn't that bad. Spend a month getting to 85 and learning you class and you're good to go. It's basically like climbing the ladder of SC2. Not much point getting thrown in at 85 first. Start off slow and get there. Really not that big a commitment, it isn't that expensive, assuming you have a job.
There is far more to it than that.
Some people dont want to grind a month to get to the part they want to play. It's nothing like climbing sc2 ladder because you aren't actually learning what you need for PvP...it's a meaningless time waster if youre playing Wow just for the bgs.
Dont forget the grinding or gear or re grinding levels if you want to play a different class. Your entire argument makes no sense frankly.
Seriously if I had to spend a month leveling a wretched hag to play HoN I wouldn't play it. I played WoW for years and enjoyed it greatly but yea it's not the same thing.
On May 11 2011 10:04 sermokala wrote: EVE Nowhere else can you just come to after a hard day pack up some cheap ass thing and go out to ruin some poor fools day.
Wars rage and the actions you do one day affect the worlds of hundreds of thousands of other people. Not the devs and their retarded "events" But you take your friends and their friends and take whats someone else's. And when you have something you must fight to keep your home.
Although what you said is true, EVE's PvP isn't like WoW's BGs at all. The first is open world sandbox PvP and the latter is only staged fights in a comparatively small arena. Furthermore these two games are so mechanically different that you can't expect to have a similar PvP experience anyways.
The video you linked is not even part of the game but a FPS CCP is developing whose fights are supposed to take place on planets in the EVE universe.
On May 11 2011 07:59 clik wrote: I've been waiting for one since the dawn of time. Guild Wars and WoW were the only ones I've actually liked though the dota-likes are ok. I think the only one to look forward to is Guild Wars 2. I've always thought Blizzard should just release Warcraft: Battlegrounds where you just pick a class, distribute its skill points and join a game of Arathi Basin.
when blizzard killed twinking , that killed WoW for me.reducing WSG to 30 minutes was also a terrible change. running the same raids 50 times didn't appeal to me , pvp battlegrounds at lower levels without the constant carrot of new gear at top level did appeal
i havent heard of bloodline champiuons before i will check it out
the best game you will ever play for pvp is daoc , even back when it came out all those years ago no mmo to date has matched it =) and theres free servers up that feel just like it did back then and the games still as fun
warhammer online had some nice bgs i think.. dont know if theres actually people playing it anymore. but you can play the game free untill lvl 10 but i think theres the most pvp anyway.
On May 11 2011 19:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: when blizzard killed twinking , that killed WoW for me.reducing WSG to 30 minutes was also a terrible change. running the same raids 50 times didn't appeal to me , pvp battlegrounds at lower levels without the constant carrot of new gear at top level did appeal
i havent heard of bloodline champiuons before i will check it out
I never understood Twinking, you want to play a characater that doesnt have all its abilities, the abilities are not scaled for that level, and a Rogue and Hunter/Hunters Pet just one shots most of the classes. You twink so you can beat the people who ahve no idea what they are doing, big fish in a small pond i guess.
As for the actual OP, there really isnt an game beside WoW that will offer you this BLC is your closest bet but I always prefered WoW Arena/BGs
On May 11 2011 19:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: when blizzard killed twinking , that killed WoW for me.reducing WSG to 30 minutes was also a terrible change. running the same raids 50 times didn't appeal to me , pvp battlegrounds at lower levels without the constant carrot of new gear at top level did appeal
i havent heard of bloodline champiuons before i will check it out
I never understood Twinking, you want to play a characater that doesnt have all its abilities, the abilities are not scaled for that level, and a Rogue and Hunter/Hunters Pet just one shots most of the classes. You twink so you can beat the people who ahve no idea what they are doing, big fish in a small pond i guess.
Except that there are people at top level who have no idea what they're doing, too. Being able to obtain an artificial advantage in an MMORPG is intended and desired. Move along.
It may sounds stupid but go play FPS, after i quit WoW I came back to FPS world and i loved it. try CS, QL, CoD, TF or BF. give it a try. I really enjoyed Battle field cause its big and kind of BG-ish.
Warhammer Online is the game for you, its basicly built around battlegrounds- and all leveling takes place in them, you're there from lvl 1 - 40(max level, if you wish). It has everything you're asking for, and there's an "endless" test version on their website, http://www.warhammeronline.com/trial/ (capped at lvl 10 tho, so you'll be stuck in "tier1" untill you subscribe, don't need to buy the game itself, just an subscription afaik).
On May 11 2011 19:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: when blizzard killed twinking , that killed WoW for me.reducing WSG to 30 minutes was also a terrible change. running the same raids 50 times didn't appeal to me , pvp battlegrounds at lower levels without the constant carrot of new gear at top level did appeal
i havent heard of bloodline champiuons before i will check it out
Pretty sure they brought twinking back with an option to no longer gain exp. So now you could even twink for PvE if you wanted.
Battlefield BC2 is where ur battleground is at yo totally agree with niiino, mindless straightup crashin helicopters on dem enemies. you wont be disapointed!
On May 11 2011 10:43 Jayme wrote:There is far more to it than that.
Some people dont want to grind a month to get to the part they want to play. It's nothing like climbing sc2 ladder because you aren't actually learning what you need for PvP...it's a meaningless time waster if youre playing Wow just for the bgs.
Dont forget the grinding or gear or re grinding levels if you want to play a different class. Your entire argument makes no sense frankly.
Seriously if I had to spend a month leveling a wretched hag to play HoN I wouldn't play it. I played WoW for years and enjoyed it greatly but yea it's not the same thing.
You don't learn your class by playing it? Leveling your character does teach you what you need to pvp, knowing your character and getting used to your abilities plus UI is everything in wow pvp... Not to mention there's low lvl BG's to get used to the maps and the concepts of them.
And you really can't compare HON to Wow BG's. Haven't you noticed that HON chars only have 4 skills? Plus the loose in items but regardless. Properly pvp'ing in wow requires a MUCH better insight in your character than it does in hon, not to mention talents and roles, heck even gear. The game is not as simple as HON and as such it's only fair that you give people a chance to learn their character before getting thrown into it. As it is already you get roflstomped the first times around a BG simply because you do not know your character well enough. Now imagine figuring out rotation + all of your what, 20 abilities on the first time around. Just not possible.
What you're asking for may appeal to you specifically because you have some knowledge within the game and may be smarter than the majority of wow players. But we live in a casual world where games aren't meant to be very hard. And alot of people already find wow a bit hard to learn. You can just look at people's performance and see how badly they do, and that's after having spent like, a month on that character.
Someone suggested Mount and Blade : With Fire and Sword. A good game but I will make the suggestion of trying out Mount and Blade: Warbands instead. The single player in Fire and Sword is better, but if you want good multi-player fast action 3rd person combat, Warbands is MILES ahead of Fire and Sword right now. It is much smoother, more polished, and the community is a bit more fleshed out because the game has been around for a while. Maybe after a couple of patches Fire and Sword will be up to par, but right now it just feels lacking and "beta" like.
You can get it free on the TaleWorlds website and play around in single player to get an idea for what combat is like, but I'm telling you now that Multiplayer is WAY better and more intense. Like the difference between playing the AI and a human player in SC. Nothing comes close to the feeling you get after a good Duel against someone and get that perfect block in just before slashing their guts.
Best part is there is NO grind in multiplayer. No leveling, no "that guy beat me because he has no life and spends hours everyday farming or bought his 85 off of Ebay" issues, no "kill 18 ogre monkeys and bring me their toe hair". It's sword and board combat (or mounted combat, or archery, or two handed axe swinging!) with FPS-style skill based requirements. The character is only as good as the player, no Epic gear to make you untouchable to a noob.
I'm one of those gamers who only picks a game every few months to really get into, sometimes new, sometimes old; and I almost exclusively play multiplayer games. Warbands doesn't have a huge marketing team like these other games so you might not have heard of it, but the community (especially the Mod community, holy crap!) is VERY committed to enjoying games and is always welcoming to new players.
Seriously just give it a spin. It may be the exact thing you are looking for, or you may hate it. Worth a shot for free IMHO.
Sounds like you just want a game where you can throw people off the cliff at arathi basin. Lol
What was wrong with just playing wow? I personally hate the game, and I can see your apprehension toward playing it just for the BG (which I thought were fun except for super serious premades that turned it into a grind),
or wait for dota 2 and see if that tickles your fancy.
On May 11 2011 10:04 sermokala wrote: EVE Nowhere else can you just come to after a hard day pack up some cheap ass thing and go out to ruin some poor fools day.
Wars rage and the actions you do one day affect the worlds of hundreds of thousands of other people. Not the devs and their retarded "events" But you take your friends and their friends and take whats someone else's. And when you have something you must fight to keep your home.
He's asking for a game without heavy time investment and you're recommending EVE. Wow.
While it's a wonderful game that I'd gladly start playing again if I had the spare time, you shouldn't start playing EVE - especially with PVP in mind - unless you're willing to spend endless amounts of time roaming around looking for targets. As with all aspects of EVE, in theory you can get going any minute and don't need to grind for hours, but in reality, you'll spend those hours (and many more) trying to get something done.
On May 11 2011 07:59 clik wrote: I've been waiting for one since the dawn of time. Guild Wars and WoW were the only ones I've actually liked though the dota-likes are ok. I think the only one to look forward to is Guild Wars 2. I've always thought Blizzard should just release Warcraft: Battlegrounds where you just pick a class, distribute its skill points and join a game of Arathi Basin.
^ This is what i want
This would be so damn sexy, told my friends the same when talking about the next game I would like to have. I also loved the BGs, spent most of my WoW time in them.
Instant action without - leveling every class for a month - pve / pvp equipment imbalances - Blizzard's strange way of balancing classes overall - arena grinding just to be able to compete in bg - farming for the mats / money to get the enchantments or whatever
I wouldn't mind having to earn equipment in BGs, just not arena and pve. AFAIK there is still a game Blizzard is working on but dind't announce yet, something like this would be the greatest thing ever.
On May 11 2011 07:32 LMPeaches wrote: You can try guild wars or wait for guild wars 2.
But honestly there is no game out there that can match wow bg's casualness but at the same time premade seriousness. If you know what i mean
This. Go back to WoW (because honestly no one does it better) or wait for GW2, it's the last hope atm for anything to compete seriously.
This, but Gws1 is pretty dead atm, unless you can find some friends to pvp with. Just wait for GW2 and renew wow in the meantime, its what I'm doing :D.
Honestly, if Bloodline Champions had more battle ground style play it would be much more popular. Right now it does the arena part of WoW well enough, but the problem with the game is that random teams/ solo (3v3 random teams) can be frustrating at times. Larger BG settings would be great for the casual crowd.
On May 11 2011 07:59 clik wrote: I've been waiting for one since the dawn of time. Guild Wars and WoW were the only ones I've actually liked though the dota-likes are ok. I think the only one to look forward to is Guild Wars 2. I've always thought Blizzard should just release Warcraft: Battlegrounds where you just pick a class, distribute its skill points and join a game of Arathi Basin.
^ This is what i want
I wouldn't mind having to earn equipment in BGs, just not arena and pve. AFAIK there is still a game Blizzard is working on but dind't announce yet, something like this would be the greatest thing ever.
Source? I can't imagine what they're possibly working on. I mean they'll have D3 coming up then HOTS, and presumably a new WoW expansion, but to cut into their own market with a BG style game, I'm a little skeptical.
mount and blade warband multiplayer is amazing. i'd definitely recommend getting that first before fire and sword. admittedly i'm waiting for more reviews and patches on fire and sword before getting it - and also because i'm not a big fan of even more ranged weapons.
warband combat is so easy to get into as a newbie (spamming attacks, never blocking) with relative success - much akin to a 6pool, 3rax, 4gate etc. but as you get more experience with positioning, blocking, chambering attacks, feints, and lots of footwork, the game is so deep and satisfying when you pull off something insane.
On May 11 2011 07:59 clik wrote: I've been waiting for one since the dawn of time. Guild Wars and WoW were the only ones I've actually liked though the dota-likes are ok. I think the only one to look forward to is Guild Wars 2. I've always thought Blizzard should just release Warcraft: Battlegrounds where you just pick a class, distribute its skill points and join a game of Arathi Basin.
^ This is what i want
I wouldn't mind having to earn equipment in BGs, just not arena and pve. AFAIK there is still a game Blizzard is working on but dind't announce yet, something like this would be the greatest thing ever.
Source? I can't imagine what they're possibly working on. I mean they'll have D3 coming up then HOTS, and presumably a new WoW expansion, but to cut into their own market with a BG style game, I'm a little skeptical.
On May 11 2011 21:05 NIIINO wrote: It may sounds stupid but go play FPS, after i quit WoW I came back to FPS world and i loved it. try CS, QL, CoD, TF or BF. give it a try. I really enjoyed Battle field cause its big and kind of BG-ish.
I play, or have played, all of the above, thank you though.. Just really missing that battleground 10+ player chaos :'(
I'd recommend Shaiya, its quite old but it has awesome pvp. You can stay in the low level pvp zone with a hard mode character and just enjoy yourself.
As far as I remember people were really limited when it came to items/build in that bracket so really it would be based more on your skills + team. If you prefer party pvp then you could go for the lvl 30 bracket or the end game ones, but they require you to put alot more time/effort/$ in.
The downside is that you would have to go through normal mode to get to hard mode, which isn't tragic if you take one of the power levelling classes (mage/priest/tank) and get a group/guild.
On May 12 2011 03:23 DusTerr wrote: Honestly, if Bloodline Champions had more battle ground style play it would be much more popular. Right now it does the arena part of WoW well enough, but the problem with the game is that random teams/ solo (3v3 random teams) can be frustrating at times. Larger BG settings would be great for the casual crowd.
Even if there is only rated 3v3 and 2v2 there are BG maps in it.
On May 11 2011 07:59 clik wrote: I've been waiting for one since the dawn of time. Guild Wars and WoW were the only ones I've actually liked though the dota-likes are ok. I think the only one to look forward to is Guild Wars 2. I've always thought Blizzard should just release Warcraft: Battlegrounds where you just pick a class, distribute its skill points and join a game of Arathi Basin.
^ This is what i want
I wouldn't mind having to earn equipment in BGs, just not arena and pve. AFAIK there is still a game Blizzard is working on but dind't announce yet, something like this would be the greatest thing ever.
Source? I can't imagine what they're possibly working on. I mean they'll have D3 coming up then HOTS, and presumably a new WoW expansion, but to cut into their own market with a BG style game, I'm a little skeptical.
Codename "Titan" is the game I meant but seams there is still another. Going to read that threat now..
lol, oh shit... that's intense...
so, iirc timeline of blizzard games:
Oct 2011: (probably) New WoW Expansion announced Oct 2011: (probably instead of WoW) Titan annouced (and shown) Oct 2011: HoTS previewed more in-depth Late 2011: Diablo 3 Early 2012: HoTS Late 2012/2013: WoW Expo 2014: Titan 2015 (maybe earlier): "new game"
now THATS a line-up that only Blizzard can support... roflrofl
On May 11 2011 10:43 Jayme wrote:There is far more to it than that.
Some people dont want to grind a month to get to the part they want to play. It's nothing like climbing sc2 ladder because you aren't actually learning what you need for PvP...it's a meaningless time waster if youre playing Wow just for the bgs.
Dont forget the grinding or gear or re grinding levels if you want to play a different class. Your entire argument makes no sense frankly.
Seriously if I had to spend a month leveling a wretched hag to play HoN I wouldn't play it. I played WoW for years and enjoyed it greatly but yea it's not the same thing.
You don't learn your class by playing it? Leveling your character does teach you what you need to pvp, knowing your character and getting used to your abilities plus UI is everything in wow pvp... Not to mention there's low lvl BG's to get used to the maps and the concepts of them.
And you really can't compare HON to Wow BG's. Haven't you noticed that HON chars only have 4 skills? Plus the loose in items but regardless. Properly pvp'ing in wow requires a MUCH better insight in your character than it does in hon, not to mention talents and roles, heck even gear. The game is not as simple as HON and as such it's only fair that you give people a chance to learn their character before getting thrown into it. As it is already you get roflstomped the first times around a BG simply because you do not know your character well enough. Now imagine figuring out rotation + all of your what, 20 abilities on the first time around. Just not possible.
What you're asking for may appeal to you specifically because you have some knowledge within the game and may be smarter than the majority of wow players. But we live in a casual world where games aren't meant to be very hard. And alot of people already find wow a bit hard to learn. You can just look at people's performance and see how badly they do, and that's after having spent like, a month on that character.
What?
The only things you learn when you level is what skills your character has. When to use them, positioning, proper cooldown management, and reacting to the enemy are things you can ONLY learn when you PvP. For all intents and purposes the first time you arena you may as well be playing for the first time. Do not pretend that leveling teaches you any more than the bare basics which you could learn in probably half the time being "thrown into the fire". You could easily learn your class at 85 through straight BG's as well and probably in a shorter amount of time. Nobody figures anything out the first time around and getting rolfstomped is a pretty normal thing when you start playing ANY game because you know nothing about it. You sure as hell don't get eased into SC2. You get thrown into it with everything at your disposal, another reason why your prior comparison with SC2 ladder makes no sense.
As for your comparison to HoN and WoW? I won't go much into it but of the two, HoN has a much steeper learning curve. To imply that it isn't as complex as WoW because of less skills (but 5x the "classes" mind you) is short sided. HoN adds last hitting, creep farming, warding, and a slew of other crap you don't get with WoW. Both are incredibly complex games at the highest level.
I just don't understand your point as it makes little logical sense. Being good at any game is HARD. I also wasn't implying that WoW should be changed. I was explaining to you why the grind in WoW is not desirable for everyone and why people would ask for something like WoW-BG without the grind beforehand. I don't care for changing WoW but a game with a WoW like BG without the grind would be nice.
I won't even touch the casual era comment because it would just make me angry.
On May 12 2011 03:23 DusTerr wrote: Honestly, if Bloodline Champions had more battle ground style play it would be much more popular. Right now it does the arena part of WoW well enough, but the problem with the game is that random teams/ solo (3v3 random teams) can be frustrating at times. Larger BG settings would be great for the casual crowd.
Even if there is only rated 3v3 and 2v2 there are BG maps in it.
Yeah that barely anyone plays. there's generally 0-2 conquest or ctf games (3v3-5v5 size) open looking at any time.
On May 11 2011 10:43 Jayme wrote:There is far more to it than that.
Some people dont want to grind a month to get to the part they want to play. It's nothing like climbing sc2 ladder because you aren't actually learning what you need for PvP...it's a meaningless time waster if youre playing Wow just for the bgs.
Dont forget the grinding or gear or re grinding levels if you want to play a different class. Your entire argument makes no sense frankly.
Seriously if I had to spend a month leveling a wretched hag to play HoN I wouldn't play it. I played WoW for years and enjoyed it greatly but yea it's not the same thing.
You don't learn your class by playing it? Leveling your character does teach you what you need to pvp, knowing your character and getting used to your abilities plus UI is everything in wow pvp... Not to mention there's low lvl BG's to get used to the maps and the concepts of them.
And you really can't compare HON to Wow BG's. Haven't you noticed that HON chars only have 4 skills? Plus the loose in items but regardless. Properly pvp'ing in wow requires a MUCH better insight in your character than it does in hon, not to mention talents and roles, heck even gear. The game is not as simple as HON and as such it's only fair that you give people a chance to learn their character before getting thrown into it. As it is already you get roflstomped the first times around a BG simply because you do not know your character well enough. Now imagine figuring out rotation + all of your what, 20 abilities on the first time around. Just not possible.
What you're asking for may appeal to you specifically because you have some knowledge within the game and may be smarter than the majority of wow players. But we live in a casual world where games aren't meant to be very hard. And alot of people already find wow a bit hard to learn. You can just look at people's performance and see how badly they do, and that's after having spent like, a month on that character.
What?
The only things you learn when you level is what skills your character has. When to use them, positioning, proper cooldown management, and reacting to the enemy are things you can ONLY learn when you PvP. For all intents and purposes the first time you arena you may as well be playing for the first time. Do not pretend that leveling teaches you any more than the bare basics which you could learn in probably half the time being "thrown into the fire". You could easily learn your class at 85 through straight BG's as well and probably in a shorter amount of time. Nobody figures anything out the first time around and getting rolfstomped is a pretty normal thing when you start playing ANY game because you know nothing about it. You sure as hell don't get eased into SC2. You get thrown into it with everything at your disposal, another reason why your prior comparison with SC2 ladder makes no sense.
As for your comparison to HoN and WoW? I won't go much into it but of the two, HoN has a much steeper learning curve. To imply that it isn't as complex as WoW because of less skills (but 5x the "classes" mind you) is short sided. HoN adds last hitting, creep farming, warding, and a slew of other crap you don't get with WoW. Both are incredibly complex games at the highest level.
I just don't understand your point as it makes little logical sense. Being good at any game is HARD. I also wasn't implying that WoW should be changed. I was explaining to you why the grind in WoW is not desirable for everyone and why people would ask for something like WoW-BG without the grind beforehand. I don't care for changing WoW but a game with a WoW like BG without the grind would be nice.
I won't even touch the casual era comment because it would just make me angry.
Exactly true. I played 2 wow characters at max level, a rogue I leveled all myself and a shaman I picked up at 70 (level cap) in TBC and learned by battlegrounding. I learned the shaman faster and got to a much higher level of play than the rogue I leveled all the way and played for years. That's because none of what I did on my rogue was valuable at all for getting good at PvP, and cause my game knowledge was better when I switched to the shaman as my main despite not leveling it. Like 5% of what you learn while you level is valuable, the rest is garbage that you might as well forget and you learn faster and better by PvP.
Then I quit because I wanted to play hunter more but the endless hours of leveling and gearing was too much and I felt like there were better things to do with my time. I got to level 60 and was like...20 more levels and 50 bajillion honor points away from having a usable character...sadface.
Pvp and making money rarely goes hand to hand. Thats why GW is the only good pvp game. There are some indie games (fallout online) that are good, but if there isn't a solid team behind it they won't last for long. RIP Shadowbane
Hah, I have similar experience with WoW when used to play. WSG 19 and maybe 29 were by and far the best parts of the game until that one patch that added XP to battlegrounds ruined everything.
I never knew Mount & Blade had a multiplayer expansion. That game was so much fun in the single player sandbox mode, and had some awesome mods as well. Will definitely give that a go.
If you liked the BG aspect of the game i recommend savage 2, its a RTS/FPS/ 3rd person shooter hybrid, with one commander for each team ( think battlefield 2 style)
its f2p, but if you pay for it you will gain more bag space and specs and stuff.
There are 2 teams, the Beast team and the human team, you could either be a dps, healer or a sieige type unit, the commander builds stuff and gives orders and buffs for your team. The goal is to destroy the enemy base.
Here is a clan game with totalbiscuit commentating!
thx to everyone who recommended Bloodline champions, downloaded it last week, played it alot this weekend with some friends! it was great time the only probleme is the lack of player, so if u guys are interested, I recommend this game!!!
also, savage 2 looks nice, im gonna download it tonight when ill comeback from work! peace out!
EPT
