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GO Mavs i seriously hope that Dallas win the series and the championship, it's veteran team and they diserve it. Chicago, Miami and OKC are young team and will still get a chance to win a championship. So GO MAVERICKS, they're playing well they diserve the serie ! !!!!!!
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On May 22 2011 12:58 Stoids wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 12:46 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 12:39 Stoids wrote:On May 22 2011 12:38 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 12:35 Stoids wrote:On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. It has survived because football season isn't on right now. And as 2010 Calvin Johnson owner, I can say, with 10000000000% sincerity, that the NFL NEVER suffers from officiating issues. /cybereyeroll. Modern era NFL officiating has never received the amount of scrutiny that playoff basketball does. Rarely is a game decided by refs in football. Your example is an anomaly. Modern era NFL officiating? As opposed to the era before instant replay? Why even say that? And when has the NFL ever gotten less scrutiny in anything, especially officiating? Good God, I hope you're trolling me. But I guess it's an opinion thing...so okay, there we go. I said modern era to cover the troll bait of "WUT ABOUT BEFORE INSTANT REPLAY." Obviously you aren't a Mavericks fan who witnessed the 2006 finals or a Kings fan who saw the Lakers-Kings WCF 2002 fix. I have always felt that the NBA, who had a referee prosecuted for game fixing and point shaving, has received more scrutiny than the NFL.
I've seen both. Football games are far more influenced by calls than basketball games due to the nature of possession and the severity of penalties. Look, refs suck and some suck really badly - but there isn't a single game where people don't complain about it. It's like complaining about delay in Starcraft, it's institutional.
I guess, I shouldn't say people can't complain about officiating but when it turns into a chorus, it can raise my ire some.
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On May 22 2011 13:01 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. Most fans can't tell the criteria discerning blocking fouls from charges (it's not getting the feet set).
(my emphasis)
Case in point, because that's not fully correct. The rules are a lot more complicated/nuanced than that. For example, you can not have your feet set and if an offensive player lowers his shoulder into you or uses his forearm to move you out of the way, that's an offensive foul. Having your feet set below the circle under the rim on a play that initiates above the foul line is still a blocking foul, despite the fact that the defender's feet were set. MOST fans don't actually know the rules about traveling, fouls, and other violations. But SOME fans do, and those fans are oftentimes appalled by the quality of the officiating in the league.
The fact of the matter is it's a fixable problem but not until the collective bargaining agreement with the referees' union is up and they can renegotiate terms that would allow the NBA to penalize or dispose of particularly heinous refereeing.
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On May 22 2011 13:10 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 12:58 Stoids wrote:On May 22 2011 12:46 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 12:39 Stoids wrote:On May 22 2011 12:38 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 12:35 Stoids wrote:On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. It has survived because football season isn't on right now. And as 2010 Calvin Johnson owner, I can say, with 10000000000% sincerity, that the NFL NEVER suffers from officiating issues. /cybereyeroll. Modern era NFL officiating has never received the amount of scrutiny that playoff basketball does. Rarely is a game decided by refs in football. Your example is an anomaly. Modern era NFL officiating? As opposed to the era before instant replay? Why even say that? And when has the NFL ever gotten less scrutiny in anything, especially officiating? Good God, I hope you're trolling me. But I guess it's an opinion thing...so okay, there we go. I said modern era to cover the troll bait of "WUT ABOUT BEFORE INSTANT REPLAY." Obviously you aren't a Mavericks fan who witnessed the 2006 finals or a Kings fan who saw the Lakers-Kings WCF 2002 fix. I have always felt that the NBA, who had a referee prosecuted for game fixing and point shaving, has received more scrutiny than the NFL. I've seen both. Football games are far more influenced by calls than basketball games due to the nature of possession and the severity of penalties. Look, refs suck and some suck really badly - but there isn't a single game where people don't complain about it. It's like complaining about delay in Starcraft, it's institutional. I guess, I shouldn't say people can't complain about officiating but when it turns into a chorus, it can raise my ire some.
I agree for the most part, it's tired and overused as a complaint. I just thought tonight was particularly bad. Dallas' play got itself in the situation, and the refs just made a bad situation worse. I just wish for a game that isn't filled with whistles. Game 1 was bad basketball even when calls were going both ways. I like to see a free flowing game where both teams establish rhythm.
For example, you can not have your feet set and if an offensive player lowers his shoulder into you or uses his forearm to move you out of the way, that's an offensive foul.
The use of the shoulder and forearm to clear out is one of my biggest pet peeves. A lot of players live and die by that move. Additionally, the lack of player control fouls frustrates me at times. It shouldn't be a legitimate strategy to flop into the lane and try to throw something up and hope for a whistle.
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I meant it is not true that the criteria is having the feet set, though most people think it is.
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On May 22 2011 13:11 ilikejokes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 13:01 igotmyown wrote:On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. Most fans can't tell the criteria discerning blocking fouls from charges (it's not getting the feet set). (my emphasis) Case in point, because that's not fully correct. The rules are a lot more complicated/nuanced than that. For example, you can not have your feet set and if an offensive player lowers his shoulder into you or uses his forearm to move you out of the way, that's an offensive foul. Having your feet set below the circle under the rim on a play that initiates above the foul line is still a blocking foul, despite the fact that the defender's feet were set. MOST fans don't actually know the rules about traveling, fouls, and other violations. But SOME fans do, and those fans are oftentimes appalled by the quality of the officiating in the league. The fact of the matter is it's a fixable problem but not until the collective bargaining agreement with the referees' union is up and they can renegotiate terms that would allow the NBA to penalize or dispose of particularly heinous refereeing.
How does this even happen? Like, a high pick and roll with the roller charging into a defender IN the circle? I'm trying to think and I don't really think I've ever seen this happen.
EDIT: NBA rule book online just gives me http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_c.html?nav=ArticleList. It doesn't say anything about that rule but I can't really be sure, it's dated 2001.
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On May 22 2011 13:30 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 13:11 ilikejokes wrote:On May 22 2011 13:01 igotmyown wrote:On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. Most fans can't tell the criteria discerning blocking fouls from charges (it's not getting the feet set). (my emphasis) Case in point, because that's not fully correct. The rules are a lot more complicated/nuanced than that. For example, you can not have your feet set and if an offensive player lowers his shoulder into you or uses his forearm to move you out of the way, that's an offensive foul. Having your feet set below the circle under the rim on a play that initiates above the foul line is still a blocking foul, despite the fact that the defender's feet were set. MOST fans don't actually know the rules about traveling, fouls, and other violations. But SOME fans do, and those fans are oftentimes appalled by the quality of the officiating in the league. The fact of the matter is it's a fixable problem but not until the collective bargaining agreement with the referees' union is up and they can renegotiate terms that would allow the NBA to penalize or dispose of particularly heinous refereeing. How does this even happen? Like, a high pick and roll with the roller charging into a defender IN the circle? I'm trying to think and I don't really think I've ever seen this happen.
The restricted area rule? Like you said a high pick and roll where there's a clear path to the basket and the center sets in the circle and attempts to draw a charge. Or a player drives and squeezes through just to meet the center in the circle who has been set.
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On May 22 2011 13:35 Stoids wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 13:30 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 13:11 ilikejokes wrote:On May 22 2011 13:01 igotmyown wrote:On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. Most fans can't tell the criteria discerning blocking fouls from charges (it's not getting the feet set). (my emphasis) Case in point, because that's not fully correct. The rules are a lot more complicated/nuanced than that. For example, you can not have your feet set and if an offensive player lowers his shoulder into you or uses his forearm to move you out of the way, that's an offensive foul. Having your feet set below the circle under the rim on a play that initiates above the foul line is still a blocking foul, despite the fact that the defender's feet were set. MOST fans don't actually know the rules about traveling, fouls, and other violations. But SOME fans do, and those fans are oftentimes appalled by the quality of the officiating in the league. The fact of the matter is it's a fixable problem but not until the collective bargaining agreement with the referees' union is up and they can renegotiate terms that would allow the NBA to penalize or dispose of particularly heinous refereeing. How does this even happen? Like, a high pick and roll with the roller charging into a defender IN the circle? I'm trying to think and I don't really think I've ever seen this happen. The restricted area rule? Like you said a high pick and roll where there's a clear path to the basket and the center sets in the circle and attempts to draw a charge. Or a player drives and squeezes through just to meet the center in the circle who has been set.
My point is, isn't it ALWAYS a block in the circle anyways?
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On May 22 2011 13:30 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 13:11 ilikejokes wrote:On May 22 2011 13:01 igotmyown wrote:On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. Most fans can't tell the criteria discerning blocking fouls from charges (it's not getting the feet set). (my emphasis) Case in point, because that's not fully correct. The rules are a lot more complicated/nuanced than that. For example, you can not have your feet set and if an offensive player lowers his shoulder into you or uses his forearm to move you out of the way, that's an offensive foul. Having your feet set below the circle under the rim on a play that initiates above the foul line is still a blocking foul, despite the fact that the defender's feet were set. MOST fans don't actually know the rules about traveling, fouls, and other violations. But SOME fans do, and those fans are oftentimes appalled by the quality of the officiating in the league. The fact of the matter is it's a fixable problem but not until the collective bargaining agreement with the referees' union is up and they can renegotiate terms that would allow the NBA to penalize or dispose of particularly heinous refereeing. How does this even happen? Like, a high pick and roll with the roller charging into a defender IN the circle? I'm trying to think and I don't really think I've ever seen this happen. EDIT: NBA rule book online just gives me http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_c.html?nav=ArticleList. It doesn't say anything about that rule but I can't really be sure, it's dated 2001.
I worded that really awkwardly, maybe some examples would help.
On a fast break, a defender gets back to try to defend the rim. He sets his feet, but his feet are below the restricted area designated by the half-circle underneath the hoop. If the player handling the ball drives and there's contact between him and the defender, the defender is committing a blocking foul.
Conversely, let's say a player receives the ball below the free throw line, turns and drives towards the basket. A defender sets his feet below the restricted area. If the offensive player crashes into the defensive player (feet set), the offensive player is committing a charge because the play initiated below the foul line (so the restricted circle rule doesn't apply).
I also think the rule was made after 2001, they made it because Jason Kidd used to just step in front of people at the very last second on drives and take charges.
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On May 22 2011 13:41 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 13:35 Stoids wrote:On May 22 2011 13:30 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 13:11 ilikejokes wrote:On May 22 2011 13:01 igotmyown wrote:On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. Most fans can't tell the criteria discerning blocking fouls from charges (it's not getting the feet set). (my emphasis) Case in point, because that's not fully correct. The rules are a lot more complicated/nuanced than that. For example, you can not have your feet set and if an offensive player lowers his shoulder into you or uses his forearm to move you out of the way, that's an offensive foul. Having your feet set below the circle under the rim on a play that initiates above the foul line is still a blocking foul, despite the fact that the defender's feet were set. MOST fans don't actually know the rules about traveling, fouls, and other violations. But SOME fans do, and those fans are oftentimes appalled by the quality of the officiating in the league. The fact of the matter is it's a fixable problem but not until the collective bargaining agreement with the referees' union is up and they can renegotiate terms that would allow the NBA to penalize or dispose of particularly heinous refereeing. How does this even happen? Like, a high pick and roll with the roller charging into a defender IN the circle? I'm trying to think and I don't really think I've ever seen this happen. The restricted area rule? Like you said a high pick and roll where there's a clear path to the basket and the center sets in the circle and attempts to draw a charge. Or a player drives and squeezes through just to meet the center in the circle who has been set. My point is, isn't it ALWAYS a block in the circle anyways?
Yes, unless the player received the ball in the lower defensive box. You can establish legal position then and draw a charge.
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OKC SO CLOSE YET SO FAR
Dirk is clutch as fuck.
I really have to question OKC's offense in the last few minutes, they had like 4 stops in a row and 0 points; Westbrook fumbling it out of bounds and 2 bad 3 point shots.
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If the Thunder lose this series, I think they have to consider trading Westbrook. He and KD don't seem to coexist too well, and they aren't going to give up Durant.
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Man, couldn't believe a couple of those shots by OKC towards the end (Westrbook and Cook). Killed off any chance of an OKC win. I know Durant wasn't having a great night, but surely your best player has to touch the ball more than he did in those lat 3-4 mins...
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On May 22 2011 13:45 ilikejokes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 13:30 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 13:11 ilikejokes wrote:On May 22 2011 13:01 igotmyown wrote:On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. Most fans can't tell the criteria discerning blocking fouls from charges (it's not getting the feet set). (my emphasis) Case in point, because that's not fully correct. The rules are a lot more complicated/nuanced than that. For example, you can not have your feet set and if an offensive player lowers his shoulder into you or uses his forearm to move you out of the way, that's an offensive foul. Having your feet set below the circle under the rim on a play that initiates above the foul line is still a blocking foul, despite the fact that the defender's feet were set. MOST fans don't actually know the rules about traveling, fouls, and other violations. But SOME fans do, and those fans are oftentimes appalled by the quality of the officiating in the league. The fact of the matter is it's a fixable problem but not until the collective bargaining agreement with the referees' union is up and they can renegotiate terms that would allow the NBA to penalize or dispose of particularly heinous refereeing. How does this even happen? Like, a high pick and roll with the roller charging into a defender IN the circle? I'm trying to think and I don't really think I've ever seen this happen. EDIT: NBA rule book online just gives me http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_c.html?nav=ArticleList. It doesn't say anything about that rule but I can't really be sure, it's dated 2001. I worded that really awkwardly, maybe some examples would help. On a fast break, a defender gets back to try to defend the rim. He sets his feet, but his feet are below the restricted area designated by the half-circle underneath the hoop. If the player handling the ball drives and there's contact between him and the defender, the defender is committing a blocking foul. Conversely, let's say a player receives the ball below the free throw line, turns and drives towards the basket. A defender sets his feet below the restricted area. If the offensive player crashes into the defensive player (feet set), the offensive player is committing a charge because the play initiated below the foul line (so the restricted circle rule doesn't apply). I also think the rule was made after 2001, they made it because Jason Kidd used to just step in front of people at the very last second on drives and take charges.
So you mean if the defensive player, in an attempt to avoid the restricted area, stands in that roughly 3 feet space behind where the basket extends? That's what you mean by "below" the restricted area?
That makes sense, it must be rare, it would have to be a defensive player trying to be clever by trying to outsmart the rule but not actually knowing the rule and an offensive play that involved a drive into a guy not really at the rim...I still don't think I have ever seen that.
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On May 22 2011 14:08 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 13:45 ilikejokes wrote:On May 22 2011 13:30 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 13:11 ilikejokes wrote:On May 22 2011 13:01 igotmyown wrote:On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. Most fans can't tell the criteria discerning blocking fouls from charges (it's not getting the feet set). (my emphasis) Case in point, because that's not fully correct. The rules are a lot more complicated/nuanced than that. For example, you can not have your feet set and if an offensive player lowers his shoulder into you or uses his forearm to move you out of the way, that's an offensive foul. Having your feet set below the circle under the rim on a play that initiates above the foul line is still a blocking foul, despite the fact that the defender's feet were set. MOST fans don't actually know the rules about traveling, fouls, and other violations. But SOME fans do, and those fans are oftentimes appalled by the quality of the officiating in the league. The fact of the matter is it's a fixable problem but not until the collective bargaining agreement with the referees' union is up and they can renegotiate terms that would allow the NBA to penalize or dispose of particularly heinous refereeing. How does this even happen? Like, a high pick and roll with the roller charging into a defender IN the circle? I'm trying to think and I don't really think I've ever seen this happen. EDIT: NBA rule book online just gives me http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_c.html?nav=ArticleList. It doesn't say anything about that rule but I can't really be sure, it's dated 2001. I worded that really awkwardly, maybe some examples would help. On a fast break, a defender gets back to try to defend the rim. He sets his feet, but his feet are below the restricted area designated by the half-circle underneath the hoop. If the player handling the ball drives and there's contact between him and the defender, the defender is committing a blocking foul. Conversely, let's say a player receives the ball below the free throw line, turns and drives towards the basket. A defender sets his feet below the restricted area. If the offensive player crashes into the defensive player (feet set), the offensive player is committing a charge because the play initiated below the foul line (so the restricted circle rule doesn't apply). I also think the rule was made after 2001, they made it because Jason Kidd used to just step in front of people at the very last second on drives and take charges. So you mean if the defensive player, in an attempt to avoid the restricted area, stands in that roughly 3 feet space behind where the basket extends? That's what you mean by "below" the restricted area? That makes sense, it must be rare, it would have to be a defensive player trying to be clever by trying to outsmart the rule but not actually knowing the rule and an offensive play that involved a drive into a guy not really at the rim...I still don't think I have ever seen that.
No I mean inside the restricted area, sorry that wasn't clear.
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On May 22 2011 13:41 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 13:35 Stoids wrote:On May 22 2011 13:30 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 13:11 ilikejokes wrote:On May 22 2011 13:01 igotmyown wrote:On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. Most fans can't tell the criteria discerning blocking fouls from charges (it's not getting the feet set). (my emphasis) Case in point, because that's not fully correct. The rules are a lot more complicated/nuanced than that. For example, you can not have your feet set and if an offensive player lowers his shoulder into you or uses his forearm to move you out of the way, that's an offensive foul. Having your feet set below the circle under the rim on a play that initiates above the foul line is still a blocking foul, despite the fact that the defender's feet were set. MOST fans don't actually know the rules about traveling, fouls, and other violations. But SOME fans do, and those fans are oftentimes appalled by the quality of the officiating in the league. The fact of the matter is it's a fixable problem but not until the collective bargaining agreement with the referees' union is up and they can renegotiate terms that would allow the NBA to penalize or dispose of particularly heinous refereeing. How does this even happen? Like, a high pick and roll with the roller charging into a defender IN the circle? I'm trying to think and I don't really think I've ever seen this happen. The restricted area rule? Like you said a high pick and roll where there's a clear path to the basket and the center sets in the circle and attempts to draw a charge. Or a player drives and squeezes through just to meet the center in the circle who has been set. My point is, isn't it ALWAYS a block in the circle anyways?
Actually, in the Hawks vs Bulls series there was an incident that touched this field, but then they mentioned something about J. Smith not being <insert Bulls-player that I can't recall>'s primary defender, so the restricted area rule was not in play
.. or something of that matter! Some of the rules are confusing as hell, and rarely used.. The same goes for soccer, the official offside is so friggin complex it's make ones head implode (there's all sorts of stuff with the half circle at the 16 meter box and so forth)
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On May 23 2011 09:05 VENDIZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 13:41 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 13:35 Stoids wrote:On May 22 2011 13:30 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 13:11 ilikejokes wrote:On May 22 2011 13:01 igotmyown wrote:On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. Most fans can't tell the criteria discerning blocking fouls from charges (it's not getting the feet set). (my emphasis) Case in point, because that's not fully correct. The rules are a lot more complicated/nuanced than that. For example, you can not have your feet set and if an offensive player lowers his shoulder into you or uses his forearm to move you out of the way, that's an offensive foul. Having your feet set below the circle under the rim on a play that initiates above the foul line is still a blocking foul, despite the fact that the defender's feet were set. MOST fans don't actually know the rules about traveling, fouls, and other violations. But SOME fans do, and those fans are oftentimes appalled by the quality of the officiating in the league. The fact of the matter is it's a fixable problem but not until the collective bargaining agreement with the referees' union is up and they can renegotiate terms that would allow the NBA to penalize or dispose of particularly heinous refereeing. How does this even happen? Like, a high pick and roll with the roller charging into a defender IN the circle? I'm trying to think and I don't really think I've ever seen this happen. The restricted area rule? Like you said a high pick and roll where there's a clear path to the basket and the center sets in the circle and attempts to draw a charge. Or a player drives and squeezes through just to meet the center in the circle who has been set. My point is, isn't it ALWAYS a block in the circle anyways? Actually, in the Hawks vs Bulls series there was an incident that touched this field, but then they mentioned something about J. Smith not being <insert Bulls-player that I can't recall>'s primary defender, so the restricted area rule was not in play .. or something of that matter! Some of the rules are confusing as hell, and rarely used.. The same goes for soccer, the official offside is so friggin complex it's make ones head implode (there's all sorts of stuff with the half circle at the 16 meter box and so forth)
The half circle is only there for Penalty kicks, it ensures that all players are at least 10 yards from the ball. This is a rule for all kicks, but is obviously enforced more strictly on the PK, which has special rules.
Offside is also incredibly easy. It is easiest to describe it as when a player is NOT offside.
For all the following, unless otherwise indicated, the "moment" is when a teammate has struck the ball.
You are not offside if you are on your half of the field.
You are not offside if you are behind the ball. (All corner kicks are treated as if they are taken from the goal line).
You are not offside if two members of the opposing team are closer to the opposing goal line than you.
You are not offside if you have intercepted the ball from an opposing player intentionally playing the ball. This does not include deflections, ricochets, etc.
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On May 23 2011 09:13 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 09:05 VENDIZ wrote:On May 22 2011 13:41 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 13:35 Stoids wrote:On May 22 2011 13:30 slyboogie wrote:On May 22 2011 13:11 ilikejokes wrote:On May 22 2011 13:01 igotmyown wrote:On May 22 2011 12:31 slyboogie wrote:
Playoff basketball tends to grind like this, it's normal. And stop talking about the refs. It's the same every single season and somehow, through all odds, the NBA has managed to survive. Most fans can't tell the criteria discerning blocking fouls from charges (it's not getting the feet set). (my emphasis) Case in point, because that's not fully correct. The rules are a lot more complicated/nuanced than that. For example, you can not have your feet set and if an offensive player lowers his shoulder into you or uses his forearm to move you out of the way, that's an offensive foul. Having your feet set below the circle under the rim on a play that initiates above the foul line is still a blocking foul, despite the fact that the defender's feet were set. MOST fans don't actually know the rules about traveling, fouls, and other violations. But SOME fans do, and those fans are oftentimes appalled by the quality of the officiating in the league. The fact of the matter is it's a fixable problem but not until the collective bargaining agreement with the referees' union is up and they can renegotiate terms that would allow the NBA to penalize or dispose of particularly heinous refereeing. How does this even happen? Like, a high pick and roll with the roller charging into a defender IN the circle? I'm trying to think and I don't really think I've ever seen this happen. The restricted area rule? Like you said a high pick and roll where there's a clear path to the basket and the center sets in the circle and attempts to draw a charge. Or a player drives and squeezes through just to meet the center in the circle who has been set. My point is, isn't it ALWAYS a block in the circle anyways? Actually, in the Hawks vs Bulls series there was an incident that touched this field, but then they mentioned something about J. Smith not being <insert Bulls-player that I can't recall>'s primary defender, so the restricted area rule was not in play .. or something of that matter! Some of the rules are confusing as hell, and rarely used.. The same goes for soccer, the official offside is so friggin complex it's make ones head implode (there's all sorts of stuff with the half circle at the 16 meter box and so forth) The half circle is only there for Penalty kicks, it ensures that all players are at least 10 yards from the ball. This is a rule for all kicks, but is obviously enforced more strictly on the PK, which has special rules. Offside is also incredibly easy. It is easiest to describe it as when a player is NOT offside. For all the following, unless otherwise indicated, the "moment" is when a teammate has struck the ball. You are not offside if you are on your half of the field. You are not offside if you are behind the ball. (All corner kicks are treated as if they are taken from the goal line). You are not offside if two members of the opposing team are closer to the opposing goal line than you. You are not offside if you have intercepted the ball from an opposing player intentionally playing the ball. This does not include deflections, ricochets, etc.
What you just explained was the general idea of the offside rule, however, the "real" offside rule is far more complicated than that. I can't recall the exact rule, but the half circle is involved (it's not only there for penalty kicks). It's a classic trick question on football panels on TV etc
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the full court sprints and hustle! lebron sure is determined
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When I play, I just think, as an offensive player, I can't be in front of all of the defensive players and that the ball is a defensive player. Usually works.
EDIT: Talking about soccer.
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