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Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 11:28:42
May 23 2013 11:27 GMT
#6101
It's always cute looking at you kids argue about RPGs, and you always only talk about the game which were released after BG, which indeed ended the western PC RPG wasteland during the mid 90s, but you never mention the (better) games earlier

It's like people saying FF7 is the best FF, until they play FF6.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11941 Posts
May 23 2013 11:34 GMT
#6102
On May 23 2013 16:24 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 09:13 Purpose88 wrote:
I would know that would happen. When does the "Everything is bad, except Planscape Tourment"-Guy show up?
In 2013 DA:O and KotOR are 10x better than BG1/2. The older a Game is the worse it gets. You can't ignore the technical part of a Game.


I'm almost 100% certain you haven't actually played BG1/2. The technical part of BG 1/2 is superior to the technical parts of kotor and dao. The only things that are *better* are graphics. You strike me as the sort of person who wouldn't even understand why Deus Ex is so good and better than any FPS/RPG just because its graphics are a bit blocky. Which is weird because your name is Purpose88, implying your birth is in 1988. I hope to high hell that's not the case and you aren't actually 24 like me. I expect you are about 17/18.

What's truly sad is that people like you don't realise BG 2 was about 3x the size of kotor and about 5x the size of dao. You have been given unsophisticated, simpler, less expansive versions of BG2 and then you have adopted them as the benchmark of sophistication and quality.

Not only did BG2 have a large variety of encounters by using D&D as its system, it also had SO many different locations and random parts of your quest. Your mind would quite possibly be blown if you actually had a go at BG2 and played it for 100 hours.


I don't want to imply anything, but there is also another meaning of the number 88 that is quite oftenly used in certain groups. Which is also why you should really avoid naming yourself Purpose88 if that is not your intended meaning.

Also, there are really fine widescreen mods for BG 1+2. It is true, without those, it would suck in modern times. I personally wouldn't want to play a game with a 1024:768 resolution today. Luckily, i don't have to. And i have replayed BG2 about 2 years ago, and it was still great. Basically, the BG series is one of the few games which aged really, really well. I think most older games are better as memories, because when you replay them you notice just how old they actually look. BG is not one of those.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 11:44:27
May 23 2013 11:41 GMT
#6103
On May 23 2013 18:41 Purpose88 wrote:
It doesn't fucking matter. No games are still that good like they were at release. How many people do you think still have as much fun with BG as they had at release?
You just ignore the facts. No voice over, no widescreen etc is just a no-go nowadays.
You are either stupid or trolling when you say BG2>DA:O right now! The technical part of BG2 removes so much of the fun the actual game gives, that its just not that good anymore.

And btw Deus Ex is still a great game, but its worse then it was on release! And KotOR is still great technically. You can play it widescreen and it has voice over - what do you need more?


No, you are either stupid or trolling when you say dao>bg2. You can't be serious. Dao really just sucks in comparison to bg2. Voiceovers, who the hell cares (ps there are voiceovers in bg2 just not all the time). Widescreen, there's mods for that. Dao is just a smaller game, with less character customization, worse enemies, less stories, worse story, less very hard characters/enemies, more linearity, smaller party, smaller storytelling scope, worse set pieces, FAR LESS replayability.

Seriously if you just actually play BG2 you will realise that dao is like a kids game in comparison. A fucking sweet kids game but still a kids game.

Kotor is a pretty limited game too. The worlds are comically limited in scope and in general the side quests are low on the ground when compared to BG2. It's great fun and the sci-fi element does make comparing it harder.

Thing about Deus Ex is that there is no game out right now which is even remotely as good. Even with the graphical advancements, it's still the most enjoyable FPS game to play nowadays for me and many others. It's just that when you have completed it 7 times you get a bit too familiar with it lol.

On May 23 2013 20:27 Zocat wrote:
It's always cute looking at you kids argue about RPGs, and you always only talk about the game which were released after BG, which indeed ended the western PC RPG wasteland during the mid 90s, but you never mention the (better) games earlier

It's like people saying FF7 is the best FF, until they play FF6.


Well we already referenced PST so you are talking about TES or Fallout? Except for TES they count in the same category as BG2. BG2 is just more tactically exciting and offers more in the way of action. Also the interface is a little more advanced.

I would call BG2 the zenith of rpg both going forwards and backwards. Like a mountain.
vvSiegvv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States364 Posts
May 23 2013 11:41 GMT
#6104
On May 23 2013 18:41 Purpose88 wrote:
It doesn't fucking matter. No games are still that good like they were at release. How many people do you think still have as much fun with BG as they had at release?
You just ignore the facts. No voice over, no widescreen etc is just a no-go nowadays.
You are either stupid or trolling when you say BG2>DA:O right now! The technical part of BG2 removes so much of the fun the actual game gives, that its just not that good anymore.

And btw Deus Ex is still a great game, but its worse then it was on release! And KotOR is still great technically. You can play it widescreen and it has voice over - what do you need more?


Yeah the technical side of a game is always going to weigh in on how good a game is, it's far from the only thing being to consider. Just because a game is lagging behind as far as tech specs goes doesn't make the game necessarily bad. HD pong isn't just de facto better the Deus Ex. I mean if we're gonna talk about tech specs on a game I'll just leave this popular one here......

http://imgur.com/NSapO.jpg
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
May 23 2013 11:49 GMT
#6105
I came in here for Steam Sales... and saw... this :S
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
chullore
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia68 Posts
May 23 2013 12:08 GMT
#6106
Might not be relevant to this thread but does anyone have an un-expired, Shogun2 75% discount thing available?
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 13:42:06
May 23 2013 13:40 GMT
#6107
On May 23 2013 20:41 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 20:27 Zocat wrote:
It's always cute looking at you kids argue about RPGs, and you always only talk about the game which were released after BG, which indeed ended the western PC RPG wasteland during the mid 90s, but you never mention the (better) games earlier

It's like people saying FF7 is the best FF, until they play FF6.


Well we already referenced PST so you are talking about TES or Fallout? Except for TES they count in the same category as BG2. BG2 is just more tactically exciting and offers more in the way of action. Also the interface is a little more advanced.

I would call BG2 the zenith of rpg both going forwards and backwards. Like a mountain.


Betrayal at Krondor, Dark Sun, * of Krynn series, Realms of Arcania (1&2). Also special mention to Spelljammer (for trying something new, but missing the overall story arc).
Sadly I never got into Ultima, so that might be an interesting mention as well.


To get a bit more on topic:
On May 23 2013 03:09 Murdco wrote:
New Humble Weekly Alan Wake it contains both Alan Wake Collector's Editiona and Alan Wake's American Nightmare, this is the best weekly since Darksiders 2 imo, such great games for such a low price. Go get it if you like horror/action games


I really dont know if I should get this. The story seems interesting, but what about the gameplay? It's not about the price, but more about a "is it worth playing at all"?
Dust14
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium490 Posts
May 23 2013 13:54 GMT
#6108
On May 23 2013 21:08 chullore wrote:
Might not be relevant to this thread but does anyone have an un-expired, Shogun2 75% discount thing available?

I still have them, but they expire in a couple hours so I hope you read this before then
chullore
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia68 Posts
May 23 2013 14:15 GMT
#6109
On May 23 2013 22:54 Dust14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 21:08 chullore wrote:
Might not be relevant to this thread but does anyone have an un-expired, Shogun2 75% discount thing available?

I still have them, but they expire in a couple hours so I hope you read this before then


I got one! Thanks though :D If you have no one to give them to, I think some people are still after them in the Steam Shogun 2 forums.
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
May 24 2013 00:20 GMT
#6110
On May 23 2013 20:41 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 18:41 Purpose88 wrote:
It doesn't fucking matter. No games are still that good like they were at release. How many people do you think still have as much fun with BG as they had at release?
You just ignore the facts. No voice over, no widescreen etc is just a no-go nowadays.
You are either stupid or trolling when you say BG2>DA:O right now! The technical part of BG2 removes so much of the fun the actual game gives, that its just not that good anymore.

And btw Deus Ex is still a great game, but its worse then it was on release! And KotOR is still great technically. You can play it widescreen and it has voice over - what do you need more?


No, you are either stupid or trolling when you say dao>bg2. You can't be serious. Dao really just sucks in comparison to bg2. Voiceovers, who the hell cares (ps there are voiceovers in bg2 just not all the time). Widescreen, there's mods for that. Dao is just a smaller game, with less character customization, worse enemies, less stories, worse story, less very hard characters/enemies, more linearity, smaller party, smaller storytelling scope, worse set pieces, FAR LESS replayability.

Seriously if you just actually play BG2 you will realise that dao is like a kids game in comparison. A fucking sweet kids game but still a kids game.

Kotor is a pretty limited game too. The worlds are comically limited in scope and in general the side quests are low on the ground when compared to BG2. It's great fun and the sci-fi element does make comparing it harder.

Thing about Deus Ex is that there is no game out right now which is even remotely as good. Even with the graphical advancements, it's still the most enjoyable FPS game to play nowadays for me and many others. It's just that when you have completed it 7 times you get a bit too familiar with it lol.

Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 20:27 Zocat wrote:
It's always cute looking at you kids argue about RPGs, and you always only talk about the game which were released after BG, which indeed ended the western PC RPG wasteland during the mid 90s, but you never mention the (better) games earlier

It's like people saying FF7 is the best FF, until they play FF6.


Well we already referenced PST so you are talking about TES or Fallout? Except for TES they count in the same category as BG2. BG2 is just more tactically exciting and offers more in the way of action. Also the interface is a little more advanced.

I would call BG2 the zenith of rpg both going forwards and backwards. Like a mountain.


Stupid, trolling, OR, he has a different opinion than you! That's the great thing about games. Not everyone has to like the same thing even within the same genre. To you, graphics and widescreen options don't matter that much, but to him obviously they do. That doesn't make his opinion any less valid. Graphics options do add to games as much as you may disagree. Please don't come at me and say "If you only would play BG/BG2 you'd agree!" because it doesn't matter. My statement isn't about the games you two are discussing. In life people think different things and it's not worth arguing over opinions on stuff like this pretending that what people like and dislike don't factor into it at all.

Now, lets get back to talking about Steam! Chivalry is on sale! $8.49 until Monday!
Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
May 24 2013 00:42 GMT
#6111
Has anyone else had issues purchasing things off steam? I've been trying to preorder payday but repeatedly get errors on the final purchase step :S
Dunmer
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom568 Posts
May 24 2013 01:08 GMT
#6112
What kind of errors? Steam issues, lagging out or just payment confirmation?
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11941 Posts
May 24 2013 16:35 GMT
#6113
Does anyone have intel on "Skyward Collapse"? It looks pretty interesting, has someone played it and can tell me something about it?
Yorke
Profile Joined November 2010
England881 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 17:47:05
May 24 2013 17:43 GMT
#6114
On May 23 2013 09:28 Absentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 09:13 Purpose88 wrote:
I would know that would happen. When does the "Everything is bad, except Planscape Tourment"-Guy show up?
In 2013 DA:O and KotOR are 10x better than BG1/2. The older a Game is the worse it gets. You can't ignore the technical part of a Game.


If you genuinely believe this then one of two possibilities obtains:
1) You have absurd opinions on the quality of video games
2) You've never actually played BG 1/2

In fact maybe both.

I agree with you, but responding to trolls/idiots is a dangerous game.
@YorkeSC - RIP MIT Police Officer Sean Collier, BW fan
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
May 24 2013 18:42 GMT
#6115
On May 25 2013 01:35 Simberto wrote:
Does anyone have intel on "Skyward Collapse"? It looks pretty interesting, has someone played it and can tell me something about it?


i buy all arcen games, so yes.

You play two different tribes by building cities like in civ 5 (but simpler). The catch is that you only build buildings and very expensive mythological units. The people will decide themselves what units to build and they will controll all units themselves.

The two tribes hate each other and will fight each other, so your goal is to keep things in balance by building towns/buildings/mythological units/casting wonders.
To prevent you from not doing anything, there are bandits, disasters, monsters and later enemy gods.

You have to make both tribes survive 3 different time periods to win a game.




The principles are simple, but its challenging.
Purpose88
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany137 Posts
May 24 2013 19:10 GMT
#6116
On May 24 2013 09:42 Warpath wrote:
Has anyone else had issues purchasing things off steam? I've been trying to preorder payday but repeatedly get errors on the final purchase step :S


You paypal adress/name has to be the same with the one on your steam account.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
May 24 2013 19:15 GMT
#6117
On May 25 2013 04:10 Purpose88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 09:42 Warpath wrote:
Has anyone else had issues purchasing things off steam? I've been trying to preorder payday but repeatedly get errors on the final purchase step :S


You paypal adress/name has to be the same with the one on your steam account.


Uh what? As long as the address you put in the correct address for the billing you're set to go.
anatase
Profile Joined May 2010
France532 Posts
May 24 2013 19:28 GMT
#6118
On May 25 2013 03:42 LaNague wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 01:35 Simberto wrote:
Does anyone have intel on "Skyward Collapse"? It looks pretty interesting, has someone played it and can tell me something about it?


i buy all arcen games, so yes.

You play two different tribes by building cities like in civ 5 (but simpler). The catch is that you only build buildings and very expensive mythological units. The people will decide themselves what units to build and they will controll all units themselves.

The two tribes hate each other and will fight each other, so your goal is to keep things in balance by building towns/buildings/mythological units/casting wonders.
To prevent you from not doing anything, there are bandits, disasters, monsters and later enemy gods.

You have to make both tribes survive 3 different time periods to win a game.




The principles are simple, but its challenging.


This sounds a lot like Reus.
If you like that kind of guy you should give Reus a shot.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
May 24 2013 20:40 GMT
#6119
No, its not like Reus.

apart from playing a limited god, the games dont have much in common.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
May 24 2013 21:26 GMT
#6120
Can't make a big mistake with Arcen games if it's about a genre that you like. Both AI Wars and and A Valley Without Wind are exceptional games in their genres.

Also they update/support their games like barely any other dev. <3
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