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zeross
Profile Joined September 2010
France310 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 14:32:23
January 27 2011 08:32 GMT
#1
Sony have annonced their new portable console, the NGP (for Next Generation Portable).

We don't have all the caracteristics yet, but it's suposed to be as powerful as a ps3.

Here the official statistics revealed :

* CPU: ARM Cortex-A9 core (4 cores)
* GPU : SGX543MP4+
* RAM : unknown?
* stockage : New Game Media, internal flash memory
* screen: 5 inch(12,7 cm, 16) OLED touch-screen with a 960x544 resolution
* connectivity: WiFi, 3G, GPS, Bluetooth 2.1 + compatible EDR ( compatible A2DP/AVRCP/HSP)
* front and back camera
* controls : touch-screen, tactical touchpad in the back

Here is the presentation video :




well if those caracteristics are true, i'm impressed. we ye have to know the autonomy and the *gulp* price.


EDIT :
- Editors that are on the NGP : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188067#14

- The battery will have a autonomy of 4-5hours

- first ingame video of unchated : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188067&currentpage=2#28

- a good first impression by kotaku : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188067&currentpage=2#35
thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
January 27 2011 08:37 GMT
#2
What is the CPU power compared to mobile intel and AMD counterparts?
What is the GPU power compared to mobile Nvidia and ATI counterparts?

Never been for such devices, you can't put in your pocket and isn't powerful enough in other cases to use as a standalone mini PC.
hamy710
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia160 Posts
January 27 2011 08:39 GMT
#3
Sounds interesting. If it lives up to what Sony have said I can see no reason not to buy it.
Also the specs look tasty. How about a 6 core come on?
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Tercotta
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada402 Posts
January 27 2011 08:39 GMT
#4
It all comes down to library of games though. Personally I felt that the PSP always tried too hard to just be a tiny console and featured too many games that didn't really take portability into account. That's why I preferred the DS last generation. This seems to carry the path of the PSP in the same direction.
hamy710
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia160 Posts
January 27 2011 08:45 GMT
#5
On January 27 2011 17:39 Tercotta wrote:
It all comes down to library of games though. Personally I felt that the PSP always tried too hard to just be a tiny console and featured too many games that didn't really take portability into account. That's why I preferred the DS last generation. This seems to carry the path of the PSP in the same direction.

The PSP was made to be hacked.
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Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
January 27 2011 08:48 GMT
#6
Hm, this looks just like the PSP which I never got comfortable with. Too bulky, too expensive, and people playing on it on the train or elsewhere are just way too absorbed. Kinda hard to explain, I like the approach of the DS much more.
Graham
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1259 Posts
January 27 2011 08:48 GMT
#7
I'm so psyched about this and its potential. I bought my PSP a couple years ago on impulse and it's easily turned into one of my best gaming investments ever, with easily half my game time being on Monster Hunter hahahaha.

Definitely glad they obviously decided to put in the second joystick so that FPS can finally be realistic, as FPS really didn't work very well on the original PSP. Some games did it well but overall definitely felt awkward.

Specs definitely sound awesome, though as long as it can play games which are realistic to a handheld of this generation then I don't really think much of them. Also impressed with the design of the thing as at first it seemed clunky but I really dig the iPhone 4 esque smooth and flat look.

The make it or break it for me would be the price (which if anything can be learned from the PSP1 at launch is probably going to be hefty) but if Sony nails this then no doubt I'd be buying it. Also hope they don't botch up digital vs retail sales and the pricing model for them as they did for the PSPgo.
naggerNZ
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand708 Posts
January 27 2011 08:50 GMT
#8
TBH, this doesn't really interest me that much. At 960x544 resolution, it could be a total powerhouse and still only give small returns over an iPhone 4 or other GPU intensive smart phones. Unless it supports mobile internet connections and has access to features like Google Talk (or has some other method of making calls/txting, I find it hard to imagine it having widespread success. People just don't really want another bulky device in their pocket.

The dedicated analog stick and button pads will make playing games a lot easier, but it's not enough to promote it over a smartphone, considering that most mobile gamers just want something easy and fun to fill in time.

I'm not bashing the product (it looks excellent when contrasted with previous gen PSPs and the DS), and I'm sure there will be those to who it will appeal, but it's not for me.
Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
January 27 2011 09:03 GMT
#9
Man, the nintendo has such an iron grip on the portable devices, this is really risky for Sony especially since their last one didn't do so well.
It is what it is...
zeross
Profile Joined September 2010
France310 Posts
January 27 2011 09:37 GMT
#10
Here is an image published on kotaku to compare the physical size of the ngp with some other devices :

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/01/psp2comp.jpg

it's a little bigger than the psp but still fir in a large pocket;
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
January 27 2011 09:47 GMT
#11
On January 27 2011 18:37 zeross wrote:
Here is an image published on kotaku to compare the physical size of the ngp with some other devices :

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/01/psp2comp.jpg

it's a little bigger than the psp but still fir in a large pocket;


yeah its apparently as large as the PSP phat. The hardware itself along with the OS look very promising. The titles announced for it so far are pretty impressive most notably: Little Big Planet, Killzone, Uncharted, Resistance, and Wipeout. Several developers came in to showcase games such as Kojima porting MGS4 directly to the PSP2 with very minimal differences, as with SEGA porting Yakuza of the end. I have confidence that in e3 Sony will release the lineup along with several trump cards. A SSF4 or Mortal combat would be a nice addition to the diversity of the launch collection, not mention Kojima said he is announcing a new title for it in e3. If the Battery life is 5hrs+ and the price is 300bucks or less (350 would be a bit too much but it would still sell well if everything else is good) then this is going to be a great device to purchase. So hyped ^^ coming out this holiday too :3
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
January 27 2011 09:51 GMT
#12
Watch as sony slowly shaves away features closer to launch. They are always too ambitious for their own good like the original ps3 announcement which started out with 2 hdmi ports, new controller, 4usb ports card readers and ps2 backwards compatability of which half of those features never made it to launch and the other half arent on current ps3's.

However as always it will come down to the games. Maybe if they have a strong release with good launch games then they could get back into the game and outsell nintendo. But I doubt people are after ps3 remakes on the go which is pretty much what the psp does now.
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
January 27 2011 09:57 GMT
#13
how is a handheld 5 inch screen a console?

i guess its cool..
zeross
Profile Joined September 2010
France310 Posts
January 27 2011 10:37 GMT
#14
Some new informations :

The editor that work on the NGP

Japan :

* Acquire
* Alvion
* AQ Interactive
* Arc System Works
* Arika
* Artdink
* Ascii Media Works
* Atlus / Index Holdings
* Capcom
* Chunsoft
* Craft & Meister
* CyberConnect2
* D3 Publisher
* Dimps
* Edia
* Enterbrain
* Falcom
* From Software
* Genki
* Grasshopper Manufacture
* GungHo Online Entertainment
* Gust
* Hamster
* Hudson
* Idea Factory
* Irem
* Kadokawa Games
* Kadokawa Shoten
* Konami
* Level-5
* Marvelous
* Media Five
* Namco Bandai
* Nippon Ichi Software
* Now Production
* Q Entertainment
* Sega
* SNK Playmore
* Spike
* Square Enix
* SystemSoft Alpha
* Takara Tomy
* Tecmo Koei Games
* Tose
* Yukes


USA :

* Activision
* Capybara Games
* Demiurge Studios
* Epic Games
* Far Sight Studios
* Frima
* High Voltage Software
* Kung Fu Factory
* Paramount Digital Entertainment
* PopCap Games
* Powerhead Games
* Trendy Entertainment
* Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment
* 2K Games
* 2K Sports


EU :

* Avalanche Studios
* Climax Studios
* Codemasters Software Company
* Eurocom Developments
* Eutechnyx
* Exient
* Firemint
* Gameloft
* Gusto Games
* Home Entertainment Suppliers
* Impromptu Software
* Rebellion
* Rockstar Games
* Sidhe Interactive
* Sumo Digital
* Team 17 Software
* Ubisoft Entertainment
* Zen Studios



According to Kojima, MGS4 cut-scene can be run on the NGP in real-time.

Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 10:47:28
January 27 2011 10:45 GMT
#15
It doesn't equal a PS3. If it does, five hundred and ninety nine U.S. dollars will look dirt cheap by comparison.

EDIT: Well, at least it has two sticks. DS should have had a stick. 3DS should have had two.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
January 27 2011 10:48 GMT
#16
Well...
That certainly looks promising! :D
But I must admit I'll be sticking with the DC unless they got a really impressive lineup of games coming out during launch.
LunarC
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1186 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 11:07:11
January 27 2011 11:06 GMT
#17
It's rumored to have 1 GB of RAM, and it's a capacitive touchscreen on the back. Most likely capacitive on the front, too. Given the pixel-pushing abilities of the SGX 545MP4+ (the + may indicate more than 4 cores; not sure) and the screen resolution, close-to PS3 quality games just may be feasible.

Not gonna lie, Call of Duty will probably sell the PSP2 very well if marketed correctly.
REEBUH!!!
Copenap
Profile Joined October 2010
723 Posts
January 27 2011 11:10 GMT
#18
On January 27 2011 19:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
It doesn't equal a PS3. If it does, five hundred and ninety nine U.S. dollars will look dirt cheap by comparison.

EDIT: Well, at least it has two sticks. DS should have had a stick. 3DS should have had two.


Due to the smaller screen it doesn't need the same resolution for the same result and therefore doen't need as much power, so it very well could/will equal the PS3.

For me the most important thing will be how much you have to pay for the 3G on a monthly basis, I can't imagine it being for free but Sony has to subsidize it at least to some degree in order to make it a success.
Wesso
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1245 Posts
January 27 2011 11:12 GMT
#19
It's awesome, but it will probably be way too expensive for me
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
January 27 2011 11:18 GMT
#20
its gonna like me like months just to able to afford that... just looking at the specs.... T____T
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Copenap
Profile Joined October 2010
723 Posts
January 27 2011 11:20 GMT
#21
More info on the PSP2/NGP
IGN also has some articles on the new software surface/suit and whatnot.
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
January 27 2011 12:15 GMT
#22
The spec is good enough so that will look similar to the PS3 (not as powerful but on a small screen/resolution).

But no way is this going to cost <$300 unless Sony takes a large loss.
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
January 27 2011 12:20 GMT
#23
On January 27 2011 18:03 Dance. wrote:
Man, the nintendo has such an iron grip on the portable devices, this is really risky for Sony especially since their last one didn't do so well.



They have sold 62 million PSPs. And while sales of the games in the USA have been less then stellar, in Japan they have been very strong. DS just did insanely well. PSP has done fine.

I definitely prefer my PSP to DS. I can't wait for PSP 2 to come out, looks amazing.
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LunarC
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1186 Posts
January 27 2011 12:37 GMT
#24
I think the device will cost $400-500 dollars. Which isn't unreasonable, considering how much you need to shell out for an iPad or an iPhone.
REEBUH!!!
Blobskillz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany548 Posts
January 27 2011 12:44 GMT
#25
4-5 hours battery time
Airship
Profile Joined August 2010
United States465 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 13:06:55
January 27 2011 12:47 GMT
#26
Considering I do all of my handheld gaming in my bed or on the sofa, within an arms reach of my big screen TV, and sony seem adamant in pursuing the 'console games on a handheld' direction, this device seems completely pointless. The DS held my interest because it's unique games held sway in a niche in my gaming habits. This seems expensive and redundant. I already own a ps3.
Wesso
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1245 Posts
January 27 2011 12:49 GMT
#27
On January 27 2011 21:44 Blobskillz wrote:
4-5 hours battery time


As it happens, that's still more than the 3DS
zeross
Profile Joined September 2010
France310 Posts
January 27 2011 13:16 GMT
#28
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/285740/news/uncharted-psp2-video-looks-impressive/

this video look cool the journalist have a annoying voice but it show well enough the gameplay
cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
January 27 2011 13:17 GMT
#29
I love my old PSP, will be interesting to see where this ones goes. I don't really care for the cameras and some of the other stuff, but i suppose it's fine. I really hope the stupid problems with my old psp are fixed though. Like film compatibility, being able to fucking play music while doing other stuff etc etc. Nothing too major imo, except the compatibility bit, but some annoyances.

Curious as to the battery staying time though, that really has to be good. Anyways, I suppose I'll have to wait for some type of jailbreak to make me happy with it either way, so a long way off.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
January 27 2011 13:19 GMT
#30
I think there's a lot of hate for the PSP around here, but I have to disagree. It has really been one of my best purchases, even though my parents and I always argue about it. I really like it because I don't have to hook it up to a TV or anything and I can just play wherever I feel like. I can play it laying down, and stuff. Plus, I really like the games on it, especially PES 2010, NCAA Football.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
January 27 2011 13:39 GMT
#31
Wow, they've finally added a second joystick after releasing all those crappy PSP redesigns. I'm definitely interested in buying one as I'm a huge fan of handhelds, but with all the unneeded gimmicks I'm afraid it's going to cost like 400-500$ at launch -_-'

I also think I read somewhere that you won't be able to make calls with it, since they're already making a PSPhone for that.

I think esports is pretty nice.
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
January 27 2011 13:42 GMT
#32
Wow this one looks so beautiful too bad we did not get a sneak peak of a game to see how "WELL" the graphics are. it even has a GPS in it lol .
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zeross
Profile Joined September 2010
France310 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 13:47:31
January 27 2011 13:47 GMT
#33
On January 27 2011 22:42 Mawi wrote:
Wow this one looks so beautiful too bad we did not get a sneak peak of a game to see how "WELL" the graphics are. it even has a GPS in it lol .


what do you mean ? i posted an ingame video like 4 post before yours
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
January 27 2011 13:50 GMT
#34
On January 27 2011 17:39 hamy710 wrote:
Sounds interesting. If it lives up to what Sony have said I can see no reason not to buy it.
Also the specs look tasty. How about a 6 core come on?

Haha, yeah, but it never does.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
January 27 2011 13:58 GMT
#35
Looks good but like all video game consoles (especially the handheld ones) I will wait for gen 2 since its often much improved and much better in terms of battery life and size etc.

http://kotaku.com/5744675/yes-ive-played-with-sonys-new-gaming-portable-the-ngp

First hand impression of the Sony NGP by Kotaku editor Brian Ashcraft.

Personally I have both a PSP and a DS. I play my DS far far far more often than my PSP so I am not sure if I will want a NGP or a 3DS. I feel that 3D is a little gimmicky but if the gen 2 model has a higher viewing angle than I may get it. I just enjoy the DS experience more.
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Hadraziel
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation114 Posts
January 27 2011 14:01 GMT
#36
This looks promising, it may be powerful enough to emulate PS2 games if it gets hacked.
Copenap
Profile Joined October 2010
723 Posts
January 27 2011 14:05 GMT
#37
On January 27 2011 23:01 Hadraziel wrote:
This looks promising, it may be powerful enough to emulate PS2 games if it gets hacked.


At least there should be a lot of ps1 and ps2 classics in the psn store. When they presented it this morning they even showed a Lost Planet 2 port from the PS3 and they said it only took them 2 weeks to port it, but I'm not sure if you can belive that...
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
January 27 2011 14:08 GMT
#38
Looks sexy, I love my PSP, even though it's mostly used as a Genesis emulator.

"In the place of the Universal Media Disc, Sony is using flash memory-based cards and digital downloads."

Flash based memory? Does that mean cartridges are back?

zeross
Profile Joined September 2010
France310 Posts
January 27 2011 14:15 GMT
#39
this new flash-card is weird. It's mean to be able to save your data directly on the game's card but also patch and DLC. it's pretty cool, but it meant to allow read/write on some part of the game's card.
i think some people will gladly try to read/write something else than just the savedgames, patchs and dlc ^^
CrackSpider93
Profile Joined July 2010
United States136 Posts
January 27 2011 14:16 GMT
#40
I might buy this since I enjoyed my PSP. Seeing as how this has the backing of a large number of Japanese developers, I hope it isn't region locked so I can play imports. One of the things I dislike about the 3DS is that it has region lock (the DS and GBA did not). I enjoyed many Japanese games on my PSP and hopefully I can do the same with the NGP.
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dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
January 27 2011 14:26 GMT
#41
Are DS and PSP sale prices lower than it takes to make them? I can imagine them not wanting to make a profit off their hardware if they can just have the consumer commit to their system only and buy their games.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 22:48:53
January 27 2011 22:43 GMT
#42

Skype

The current PSP has Skype. But will the NGP? Because if it does, that could render a phone utterly meaningless. Sony was not willing to comment with Yoshida saying, "So, we are working on providing more than games — networked servies on the NGP. And we'll be able to talk more about these services later."




PlayStation Phone

There are pictures of what's reportedly a PlayStation Phone being taken apart on the internet and videos of people using it. But Sony didn't reveal a PlayStation Phone today. What gives? Where is it?

"I don't know where that's coming from," Yoshida said. "There are lots of cell phones on the internet."

Continuing, he added, "I can say that's not NGP." So that's something separate? Yes, he said: "That's something totally separate."



Making Them

Sony had working models available to play tonight. Which would mean that conceivably, Sony could go into production soon and start churning them out for everyone to buy and enjoy. "Hardware takes lots of steps. So the answer is 'no'. No, we cannot manufacture in mass production today or tomorrow. But we can later this year."

No doubt Sony will be able to answer more questions then, too.



Price

When I asked about price, Yoshida replied, "We are not talking about price yet, but I hope that when we announce the price, people will say it makes sense."

I asked Yoshida what he thought about the 3DS's US$250 price tag, to which he replied, "The 3DS is pricier than what Nintendo typically launched their hardware for." He said he thought the 3DS was "pretty interesting", adding that it feels like a more powerful DS.





I'll pay up to $299 for one but anything higher and I could just buy an entire console, probably for less.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
January 27 2011 22:59 GMT
#43
Wow, seems really cool! I would never see my self buying one, but it certainly looks sexy~ I think it would be nice if they had a slightly slimmer profile on the analog sticks, but whatevs.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8097 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 02:18:22
January 28 2011 02:17 GMT
#44
it seems to definitely have the 3DS beat in terms of control hardware. 2 touch screens, gyroscope, 2 cameras, and 2 analog sticks.

im pretty much done with my "separate portable gaming device" days but NGP still looks pretty cool. hopefully the really neat tech wont go to waste.

I think that this new gen of portable devices will really prove if there is still room for them now that smart phones have really taken off.
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WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
January 28 2011 02:41 GMT
#45
holy god they have preorderes at $999 for this. that uncharted video was fucking impressive though.
PylonBuilder
Profile Joined January 2011
United States59 Posts
January 28 2011 04:09 GMT
#46
Last time I checked, this cost $999.99 USD. Even if it goes down to $599.99. You have to be pretty hardcore to buy this.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
January 28 2011 04:58 GMT
#47
Does anyone else still call any portable game thing a game boy, like me? I called my friends little brothers DS a gameboy and he looked at me like i was speaking swahili. I guess that term hasn't been used for a while now...
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
January 28 2011 22:10 GMT
#48
On January 28 2011 13:58 DannyJ wrote:
Does anyone else still call any portable game thing a game boy, like me? I called my friends little brothers DS a gameboy and he looked at me like i was speaking swahili. I guess that term hasn't been used for a while now...


I still have a Gameboy Classic and a Gameboy Advance, still play Advanced Wars occasionally
I think esports is pretty nice.
SYNC_qx
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany197 Posts
January 28 2011 22:25 GMT
#49
they seem to try to be an iphone. no but seriously i will most likely never find myself in a situation where i would need a portable console.
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