On November 03 2011 23:56 Hassybaby wrote: Is there a decent guide to flying helicopters/planes? I'm perfectly fine in holding my own vehicle-wise, but as soon as I'm asked to take into account a third dimension of movement.
Actual movement wise or how to play good and make an impact with the jets and helis? movement wise is like learning to macro in sc2, theres no shortcut, you just have to fly around heaps to get the hang of it. If you want to play good i could probably write a quick little guide.
le 25 levels above anyone going 30-3. In TL, those guys are the admins.
What I would give to have those scores you guys are throwing out. Hell i'd give anything to have a k:d that's positive, let alone like THAT.
And wait, I'm currently the only admin. Interesting eh? It's good to know my admin abilities are so awesome I'm referred to in plural.
It's also interesting that the one abusive tactic that seems to be punishable is, surprise surprise, one which stops the admins' pet aircraft getting off the ground.
I don't fly jets. Ever.
Thanks for the lol. You guys are a hoot!
// moral of this is that I asked for admins awhile back, and two people applied. Neither have contacted me since. If you want more admins, apply for it. PM me. nuff said. Don't hold the whole server, let alone the single admin, accountable for a couple of noobs that ruined your night. Stop making yourself look like a bunch of rage-quitting crybabies.
Ok, if you are the only admin, and not the guys I was seeing, then I do apologize to you, that's not fair to you, I'm sure you put a lot of work into the server. But it is always people tagged up that make it always 100% no fun to play. I have to admit I'm used to CS servers and such, where if you joined a "clantag" server, and there were people there tagged up, 90% of the time they were admins/had admin rights(two different things lol). I know TL fosters "abusive" attitudes in gaming just by being very competitive by nature, but BF3 is a game you should play for fun, not to win with a 30-3 score every game. Funnily enough, being a high aggression "all-inner" in SC2 is heavily frowned upon, people more preferring long "macro games" where "real skill" is displayed, but in BF3, all that goes out the window, and you have level 45 chopper pilots camping all your spawns with your helicopter, and it's 100% A-ok.
Quit with the daddy gamer attitude man. Most of the abusive strategies from BF2 you cant even do, ie camping runways (what is invincible base AA), stealing stuff from main base. And what the fuck is wrong with a chopper circling a spawn point? Its what they do, lock down a point so its easier for the people on the ground to cap. If you cant ward off a chopper with stingers or ground AA or any numerous stuff that can take down air you deserve to get your shit wrecked. There seems to be an attitude with all the casuals that think they should be able to take down anything by themselves. If they are using teamwork to dominate, you should use teamwork back. and 30-3 isnt exactly a high score...
You keep that up like you always do, and me and everyone else will keep leaving the server like we always do. Again, I don't really give a crap about supporting a particular server. I have about an hour or so each night I can play, if that, and I'm not spending it on a server that is no fun to play on 90% of the time when there are literally hundreds that are fun to play on. How do you fix it? I literally have no idea. I agree that you can't really punish skill, but, me being punished because I don't have 8 hours a day to play a video game isn't fun either. It's all up to the individual, really. If you people enjoy emptying servers by going 30-3 in a tank, then by all means do it, but don't the rest of you complain about empty servers.
TLDR: There are way too many competitive servers out there for me to spend my time supporting a server that is no fun to play 90% of the time.
The sad thing is battlefield 3 is already noob friendly and has had its skill ceiling massively reduced from BF2 and people STILL have this attitude. What are people who do good in vehicles/infantry supposed to do? "Sorry my fine good sirs for being above average skill level, i shall give you false hope for 2 minutes by missing my shots then go back to using my natural skill level".
That said I do agree with when clannies stack a side with 10 people. When my team goes on our server we take whatever side we are given, and it goes the same for when i join a pub, I dont stack. But 30-3 is easily obtainable solo in a tank on a pub lol. Sounds like hardcore servers are right up your alley.
You people say this....then why do I have fun in most of the other servers I play on? Why are many of them decently even much of the time? I don't really care if someone racks up a 30-3 score, I've done it on occasion. I care when it's 3 people on the same team with the same ludicrous scores every single game, and the 3 of them have obviously spent more time in the game than the entire other team combined. A wonderfully cute tactic I have noticed from these fine gentlemen is not even trying to cap the last couple points, but just camping their tanks at some relatively unassailable position and just continually bombarding the last capture points for 15 minutes straight without even trying to cap/end it quickly. The pilots on the other side continually wipe your air out, and firing 4 rockets at the front of a T-90A, dying and spawning to try again while they're being infinitely repaired is about as effective and fun as it sounds. That's my and everyone else's cue to leave the server and try one where people actually are playing the game, not abusing the fark out of it.
Do you know why those guys in the tanks dont try and capture the point? Because they already have the majority of the flags which means they are bleeding the enemy tickets. If they try and get onto the flag they get smashed by engineers, and thanks to the stupid vehicle disable mechanic, they cant escape. You are basically advocating playing like a mindless idiot.
Is this your first battlefield?
Actually, no, I played a lot of BFBC2. And taking down tanks/vehicles in that game seemed far easier than in this one. I'm not totally sure how many rocket hits it takes to take down a main tank, but I know I've hit them 4 times countless times, and they were still going strong, then I'm out of ammo, noone's dropping any, and your just f'ed, especially when half your engi's are carrying stingers anyways. Maybe that's realistic but that's not fun.
And maybe sitting 200 yards away with the tank with the fire button taped down is the optimal way to win BF games. Well, enjoy winning on your 12/64 server 8 v 4 since that's all you care about anyways. Call me butthurt, n00b, terrible, mindless idiot, etc., I don't give a crap, I'll go play somewhere else. I'm just letting you know why your server is empty all the time.
On November 03 2011 23:56 Hassybaby wrote: Is there a decent guide to flying helicopters/planes? I'm perfectly fine in holding my own vehicle-wise, but as soon as I'm asked to take into account a third dimension of movement.
Actual movement wise or how to play good and make an impact with the jets and helis? movement wise is like learning to macro in sc2, theres no shortcut, you just have to fly around heaps to get the hang of it. If you want to play good i could probably write a quick little guide.
Yeah, it was more an actual guide on flying effectively. I think the impact of them is really map dependant, which DICE has sort of already sorted out by choosing what vehicle to give put in what map, but mostly it feels like only in competitive play will the guides for tactical use of planes be really effective, since right now there's too much chaos theory since people are still feeling out the game
That's a cool way of putting it though, comparing it to macro. Guess I just have to spend more time in a plane, or go on practice servers a lot more. A quick guide would be super appreciated, since I outright suck in them :. I've also been afraid to use them in games since it then feels like I'm wasting a valuable asset, that could be used with devastating effect in someone else's hands, so my desire to win makes me want to stick with what I know most of the time, and only really experiment when we're way ahead/behind.
EDIT: Dammit, I just noticed that was my 2000th post...oh well
On November 03 2011 23:56 Hassybaby wrote: Is there a decent guide to flying helicopters/planes? I'm perfectly fine in holding my own vehicle-wise, but as soon as I'm asked to take into account a third dimension of movement.
sadly theres only the first out of 3 parts out yet
On November 03 2011 23:56 Hassybaby wrote: Is there a decent guide to flying helicopters/planes? I'm perfectly fine in holding my own vehicle-wise, but as soon as I'm asked to take into account a third dimension of movement.
Final mission for bf3 coop. One of my least fav coop mission (best is helo mission). I once again had to adjust the brightness/contrast of the video so it was not so dark (I couldnt see crap while playing, seems most the coop mission are like this) so if the color seems a tad off thats why. ENJOY
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rofl, can you actually kill people with Defib? I know you can kill enemy vehicles with repair tool, never thought to use Defib on non-friendly infantry though
On November 03 2011 23:56 Hassybaby wrote: Is there a decent guide to flying helicopters/planes? I'm perfectly fine in holding my own vehicle-wise, but as soon as I'm asked to take into account a third dimension of movement.
le 25 levels above anyone going 30-3. In TL, those guys are the admins.
What I would give to have those scores you guys are throwing out. Hell i'd give anything to have a k:d that's positive, let alone like THAT.
And wait, I'm currently the only admin. Interesting eh? It's good to know my admin abilities are so awesome I'm referred to in plural.
It's also interesting that the one abusive tactic that seems to be punishable is, surprise surprise, one which stops the admins' pet aircraft getting off the ground.
I don't fly jets. Ever.
Thanks for the lol. You guys are a hoot!
// moral of this is that I asked for admins awhile back, and two people applied. Neither have contacted me since. If you want more admins, apply for it. PM me. nuff said. Don't hold the whole server, let alone the single admin, accountable for a couple of noobs that ruined your night. Stop making yourself look like a bunch of rage-quitting crybabies.
Ok, if you are the only admin, and not the guys I was seeing, then I do apologize to you, that's not fair to you, I'm sure you put a lot of work into the server. But it is always people tagged up that make it always 100% no fun to play. I have to admit I'm used to CS servers and such, where if you joined a "clantag" server, and there were people there tagged up, 90% of the time they were admins/had admin rights(two different things lol). I know TL fosters "abusive" attitudes in gaming just by being very competitive by nature, but BF3 is a game you should play for fun, not to win with a 30-3 score every game. Funnily enough, being a high aggression "all-inner" in SC2 is heavily frowned upon, people more preferring long "macro games" where "real skill" is displayed, but in BF3, all that goes out the window, and you have level 45 chopper pilots camping all your spawns with your helicopter, and it's 100% A-ok.
Quit with the daddy gamer attitude man. Most of the abusive strategies from BF2 you cant even do, ie camping runways (what is invincible base AA), stealing stuff from main base. And what the fuck is wrong with a chopper circling a spawn point? Its what they do, lock down a point so its easier for the people on the ground to cap. If you cant ward off a chopper with stingers or ground AA or any numerous stuff that can take down air you deserve to get your shit wrecked. There seems to be an attitude with all the casuals that think they should be able to take down anything by themselves. If they are using teamwork to dominate, you should use teamwork back. and 30-3 isnt exactly a high score...
You keep that up like you always do, and me and everyone else will keep leaving the server like we always do. Again, I don't really give a crap about supporting a particular server. I have about an hour or so each night I can play, if that, and I'm not spending it on a server that is no fun to play on 90% of the time when there are literally hundreds that are fun to play on. How do you fix it? I literally have no idea. I agree that you can't really punish skill, but, me being punished because I don't have 8 hours a day to play a video game isn't fun either. It's all up to the individual, really. If you people enjoy emptying servers by going 30-3 in a tank, then by all means do it, but don't the rest of you complain about empty servers.
TLDR: There are way too many competitive servers out there for me to spend my time supporting a server that is no fun to play 90% of the time.
The sad thing is battlefield 3 is already noob friendly and has had its skill ceiling massively reduced from BF2 and people STILL have this attitude. What are people who do good in vehicles/infantry supposed to do? "Sorry my fine good sirs for being above average skill level, i shall give you false hope for 2 minutes by missing my shots then go back to using my natural skill level".
That said I do agree with when clannies stack a side with 10 people. When my team goes on our server we take whatever side we are given, and it goes the same for when i join a pub, I dont stack. But 30-3 is easily obtainable solo in a tank on a pub lol. Sounds like hardcore servers are right up your alley.
You people say this....then why do I have fun in most of the other servers I play on? Why are many of them decently even much of the time? I don't really care if someone racks up a 30-3 score, I've done it on occasion. I care when it's 3 people on the same team with the same ludicrous scores every single game, and the 3 of them have obviously spent more time in the game than the entire other team combined. A wonderfully cute tactic I have noticed from these fine gentlemen is not even trying to cap the last couple points, but just camping their tanks at some relatively unassailable position and just continually bombarding the last capture points for 15 minutes straight without even trying to cap/end it quickly. The pilots on the other side continually wipe your air out, and firing 4 rockets at the front of a T-90A, dying and spawning to try again while they're being infinitely repaired is about as effective and fun as it sounds. That's my and everyone else's cue to leave the server and try one where people actually are playing the game, not abusing the fark out of it.
Do you know why those guys in the tanks dont try and capture the point? Because they already have the majority of the flags which means they are bleeding the enemy tickets. If they try and get onto the flag they get smashed by engineers, and thanks to the stupid vehicle disable mechanic, they cant escape. You are basically advocating playing like a mindless idiot.
Is this your first battlefield?
Actually, no, I played a lot of BFBC2. And taking down tanks/vehicles in that game seemed far easier than in this one. I'm not totally sure how many rocket hits it takes to take down a main tank, but I know I've hit them 4 times countless times, and they were still going strong, then I'm out of ammo, noone's dropping any, and your just f'ed, especially when half your engi's are carrying stingers anyways. Maybe that's realistic but that's not fun.
And maybe sitting 200 yards away with the tank with the fire button taped down is the optimal way to win BF games. Well, enjoy winning on your 12/64 server 8 v 4 since that's all you care about anyways. Call me butthurt, n00b, terrible, mindless idiot, etc., I don't give a crap, I'll go play somewhere else. I'm just letting you know why your server is empty all the time.
When you're facing an enemy tank being repaired, there are a few things you should consider that most people don't.
1) Which side of the tank you hit it on really does matter. Hitting the tank in the front with your rockets isn't the most effective way to take a tank down. If the tank is being repaired during this, it's going to take multiple shots from several engineers to take it down this way. On the other hand, hits from the back will do quite a bit of damage. 2) The main disadvantage of being in a tank is that you can't see all that well. The trick to taking down a tank is using terrain or cover to ensure that it cannot see you. Generally I always hide from a tank until it's turret is facing a different direction. When there is a second player in the tank as a gunner it's more difficult, but the tank still can't look every direction at once. Eventually it's going to look in another direction and that's your cue to fire / charge and lay c4. 3) Anything their team can do, your team can probably do as well. If their team is camping your spawn with a tank and engineers constantly repairing it, there's no reason you can't do the same with your tank. If nothing else, you can keep the tank occupied so it's not killing your infantry. Sometimes you have to suck it up and be the person outside repairing, not the one inside the tank. 4) C4 suicide truck....I think this one is self explanatory 5) Helicopter where applicable can take out a tank regardless of what it does. Jets can be a nuisance but usually won't kill a tank by themselves.
It's notable that some maps can still have problems with tanks. Particularly Tehran Highway on conquest: if the Russians manage to take all the spawn points then they can lock the US into their spawn hard. Also some of the high level vehicle users can get reactive armor, which makes them quite a bit harder to kill inside vehicles. Lastly, some of the maps can be completely flattened later in the map duration, leading to a lack of cover around the tanks.
A final important point is that unless you're being camped in your spawn, you always have the option of going to a different control point from the tanks. If you're fighting against tanks defensively it's much easier to take them out by attacking from multiple directions or hiding then jumping out to c4. Plentiful uses of land mines also can be a serious nuisance to vehicles that are attacking.
On November 03 2011 23:56 Hassybaby wrote: Is there a decent guide to flying helicopters/planes? I'm perfectly fine in holding my own vehicle-wise, but as soon as I'm asked to take into account a third dimension of movement.
sadly theres only the first out of 3 parts out yet
Some of that advice is quite laughable and equivalent to the sc2 theory crafting that a lot of people do ie not applicable.
Jets (conquest jets btw, not the A10 or frogfoot) First things first is the sad truth - If the person is competent in a jet, you have a very low chance to shake him from your tail. This fact shapes the entire playstyle of how you position yourself in jets.
Playstyle Always fly in the 3rd person view unless you are lining up your heatseekers or MG Like i said, once the jet gets behind you, you pretty much lose. So your entire philosphy of flying should be about never letting them get behind you. When you take off, your number one priority is to find where the other opponents jets are and get behind them. Once you get behind them, you will win once you get the basics down. If its the start of the round or he notices you and both of you head in a straight line towards each other, both of you are going to be doing loops for fucking ever trying to get behind each other. Once you unlock air radar (you should always have it on once you unlock it) it becomes easier to figure out where the opponents jet is, but until then you have to rely on catching a glimpse of him in your third person view or figuring out where he is from audio clues (ie sound of jet whizzing behind you). To optimally turn so you can get behind him in the eternal battle of loops (you'll know what i mean once you get into one of these dogfights) check out the section below. Alternatiively when you are in these dogfights you can do them over your base (or someone with a stinger) and hope someone is in the AA. That way, your opponent will either die once he cant flare away the next barrage of missles or he will be forced to disengage, and thats where you get behind him and win.
Once all the jets are down you need to be careful once they come up. If you are busy trying to kill a chopper or strafe a tank, the opponent will get up and make a straight line for you, if you are out of position he will get behind you and win. If you have no moral qualms, the easiest way to prevent this from happening is to figure out the spawn time for the jets for that map and baserape. Once the jet is dead you have another X second to kill choppers or ground stuff. If you dont want to base rape, you can just make sure you are ready to go back into a dogfight (eternal loops).
Optimal Turn I guess the best way to shake jets is to learn how to optimally turn. I need to test this theory out further as its different than in BETA (to turn optimally in beta you would just brake turn but its changed), but im pretty sure this is how you turn the quickest. If you notice you hold brake and turn in a jet (by turning i dont mean rudder turning) you will turn sharp then not turn at all as you lose speed. What you need to do, right before your rate of turn slows down is to (while still turning) slam on the afterburners for a bit to top up your speed and then go back to brake turning. If you alternate between afterburners and braking you will notice you turn quite good. Practice this in a server until you get the hang of it.
Anti air missles aka beepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeepbeep Always use flares. People say extinguiser unlock is better, but im not so sure about that as you basically are forced to play an extremely defensive playstyle. Prepared to be consantly locked onto by ground based AA. Thankfully the flare recharge time is pretty decent . Stingers are a fact of life in BF3, so get used to flying near a flag to strafe a chopper and getting a stinger shot at you. You should pop flares and fly out of range (just do a large loop) until you recharge your flares. If you screw up or theres an unexpected stinger locked onto you and you dont have flares ready (assuming you dont have a jet on your tail) you want to fly in a straight line, with afterburners on, away from the source of the stinger. The entire time you are doing this, you want to be spamming your flare button (imagine you are macroing marines from 20 barracks). Doing this will give you the maximum amount of spare time before the stinger hits, so hopefully you can recharge your flares before it hits. If it hits and you are in the conquest jets, I believe you will be down to 55% health, so fly in circles around the edge of the map and regen up.
Weapons I guess if you are new you are going to want to take down jets using heatseekers, as your ability to aim with the MG while still sticking onto their tail is going to be tough. But once you become quite decent you will want to swap out the heatseekers for rocket pods (dont use laser guided missles, they are INCREDIBLY shit). The advantages to using the machine gun is that they dont get warning that you are behind them so it gives you extra time to line up your shot (if the opponent is running air radar unlock this point is moot). Another advantage is that once your aim is good you can pretty much instantly disable the opponents jet as soon as you get behind them, rather than waiting for them to pop flares and then firing your heatseekers. So yeah, once you get the basic flying aspects down, tough it up and switch to MG.
mouse and keyboard You dont need a joystick to dominate in public servers. When im in a dogfight (eternal battle of loops) i will be using the keyboard as that give me the best possible turn rate. Once i get behind the tail of a jetiquickly move my right hand to the mouse. (I always put my DPI to max once i get in a jet and turn it down once im back to infantry) and aim my MG with that.
le 25 levels above anyone going 30-3. In TL, those guys are the admins.
What I would give to have those scores you guys are throwing out. Hell i'd give anything to have a k:d that's positive, let alone like THAT.
And wait, I'm currently the only admin. Interesting eh? It's good to know my admin abilities are so awesome I'm referred to in plural.
It's also interesting that the one abusive tactic that seems to be punishable is, surprise surprise, one which stops the admins' pet aircraft getting off the ground.
I don't fly jets. Ever.
Thanks for the lol. You guys are a hoot!
// moral of this is that I asked for admins awhile back, and two people applied. Neither have contacted me since. If you want more admins, apply for it. PM me. nuff said. Don't hold the whole server, let alone the single admin, accountable for a couple of noobs that ruined your night. Stop making yourself look like a bunch of rage-quitting crybabies.
Ok, if you are the only admin, and not the guys I was seeing, then I do apologize to you, that's not fair to you, I'm sure you put a lot of work into the server. But it is always people tagged up that make it always 100% no fun to play. I have to admit I'm used to CS servers and such, where if you joined a "clantag" server, and there were people there tagged up, 90% of the time they were admins/had admin rights(two different things lol). I know TL fosters "abusive" attitudes in gaming just by being very competitive by nature, but BF3 is a game you should play for fun, not to win with a 30-3 score every game. Funnily enough, being a high aggression "all-inner" in SC2 is heavily frowned upon, people more preferring long "macro games" where "real skill" is displayed, but in BF3, all that goes out the window, and you have level 45 chopper pilots camping all your spawns with your helicopter, and it's 100% A-ok.
You sound like you just kind of suck at the game and don't really realize it. Choppers are supposed to circle cap points and eliminate the ground forces—that is the entire point of choppers. Hovering around an area and punishing all the enemies is not just a legitimate tactic... it's what you're supposed to do. Downing it is as simple as coordinating with a couple guys in your squad to get a few stingers and you can down it real quick, even if it has flares.
I mean, you actually believe that tripe about SC2, which kind of gives evidence of the dumb mentality you're bringing into the game. It's no wonder why you're getting smoked.
you don't understand
the scenarios we are talking about is when the stacked side already has all of the cap points and is flying around the other team's deployment point (and/or camped with snipers and tanks around it) and literally killing you as you spawn
On November 04 2011 00:38 Skullflower wrote: Yeah, you can kill people with the Defib. It's a bit iffy with the hitboxes though
I tried really hard in beta and it never worked. I was doing it a lot in BF2142 actually. More humiliating than the knife =) Good to know it's still doable.
btw the shock troopers video was sooo sooo good ^_^
le 25 levels above anyone going 30-3. In TL, those guys are the admins.
What I would give to have those scores you guys are throwing out. Hell i'd give anything to have a k:d that's positive, let alone like THAT.
And wait, I'm currently the only admin. Interesting eh? It's good to know my admin abilities are so awesome I'm referred to in plural.
It's also interesting that the one abusive tactic that seems to be punishable is, surprise surprise, one which stops the admins' pet aircraft getting off the ground.
I don't fly jets. Ever.
Thanks for the lol. You guys are a hoot!
// moral of this is that I asked for admins awhile back, and two people applied. Neither have contacted me since. If you want more admins, apply for it. PM me. nuff said. Don't hold the whole server, let alone the single admin, accountable for a couple of noobs that ruined your night. Stop making yourself look like a bunch of rage-quitting crybabies.
Ok, if you are the only admin, and not the guys I was seeing, then I do apologize to you, that's not fair to you, I'm sure you put a lot of work into the server. But it is always people tagged up that make it always 100% no fun to play. I have to admit I'm used to CS servers and such, where if you joined a "clantag" server, and there were people there tagged up, 90% of the time they were admins/had admin rights(two different things lol). I know TL fosters "abusive" attitudes in gaming just by being very competitive by nature, but BF3 is a game you should play for fun, not to win with a 30-3 score every game. Funnily enough, being a high aggression "all-inner" in SC2 is heavily frowned upon, people more preferring long "macro games" where "real skill" is displayed, but in BF3, all that goes out the window, and you have level 45 chopper pilots camping all your spawns with your helicopter, and it's 100% A-ok.
Quit with the daddy gamer attitude man. Most of the abusive strategies from BF2 you cant even do, ie camping runways (what is invincible base AA), stealing stuff from main base. And what the fuck is wrong with a chopper circling a spawn point? Its what they do, lock down a point so its easier for the people on the ground to cap. If you cant ward off a chopper with stingers or ground AA or any numerous stuff that can take down air you deserve to get your shit wrecked. There seems to be an attitude with all the casuals that think they should be able to take down anything by themselves. If they are using teamwork to dominate, you should use teamwork back. and 30-3 isnt exactly a high score...
You keep that up like you always do, and me and everyone else will keep leaving the server like we always do. Again, I don't really give a crap about supporting a particular server. I have about an hour or so each night I can play, if that, and I'm not spending it on a server that is no fun to play on 90% of the time when there are literally hundreds that are fun to play on. How do you fix it? I literally have no idea. I agree that you can't really punish skill, but, me being punished because I don't have 8 hours a day to play a video game isn't fun either. It's all up to the individual, really. If you people enjoy emptying servers by going 30-3 in a tank, then by all means do it, but don't the rest of you complain about empty servers.
TLDR: There are way too many competitive servers out there for me to spend my time supporting a server that is no fun to play 90% of the time.
The sad thing is battlefield 3 is already noob friendly and has had its skill ceiling massively reduced from BF2 and people STILL have this attitude. What are people who do good in vehicles/infantry supposed to do? "Sorry my fine good sirs for being above average skill level, i shall give you false hope for 2 minutes by missing my shots then go back to using my natural skill level".
That said I do agree with when clannies stack a side with 10 people. When my team goes on our server we take whatever side we are given, and it goes the same for when i join a pub, I dont stack. But 30-3 is easily obtainable solo in a tank on a pub lol. Sounds like hardcore servers are right up your alley.
You people say this....then why do I have fun in most of the other servers I play on? Why are many of them decently even much of the time? I don't really care if someone racks up a 30-3 score, I've done it on occasion. I care when it's 3 people on the same team with the same ludicrous scores every single game, and the 3 of them have obviously spent more time in the game than the entire other team combined. A wonderfully cute tactic I have noticed from these fine gentlemen is not even trying to cap the last couple points, but just camping their tanks at some relatively unassailable position and just continually bombarding the last capture points for 15 minutes straight without even trying to cap/end it quickly. The pilots on the other side continually wipe your air out, and firing 4 rockets at the front of a T-90A, dying and spawning to try again while they're being infinitely repaired is about as effective and fun as it sounds. That's my and everyone else's cue to leave the server and try one where people actually are playing the game, not abusing the fark out of it.
Do you know why those guys in the tanks dont try and capture the point? Because they already have the majority of the flags which means they are bleeding the enemy tickets. If they try and get onto the flag they get smashed by engineers, and thanks to the stupid vehicle disable mechanic, they cant escape. You are basically advocating playing like a mindless idiot.
Is this your first battlefield?
Actually, no, I played a lot of BFBC2. And taking down tanks/vehicles in that game seemed far easier than in this one. I'm not totally sure how many rocket hits it takes to take down a main tank, but I know I've hit them 4 times countless times, and they were still going strong, then I'm out of ammo, noone's dropping any, and your just f'ed, especially when half your engi's are carrying stingers anyways. Maybe that's realistic but that's not fun.
And maybe sitting 200 yards away with the tank with the fire button taped down is the optimal way to win BF games. Well, enjoy winning on your 12/64 server 8 v 4 since that's all you care about anyways. Call me butthurt, n00b, terrible, mindless idiot, etc., I don't give a crap, I'll go play somewhere else. I'm just letting you know why your server is empty all the time.
Quit being such a whiny bitch. Team imbalances will happen when the server is low population. Just ask others on the other team nicely to switch over. If you're getting spawn camped by Air vehicles (ground units cant spawn camp due to enemy main commands being off the map) get in the fucking invulnerable AA gun and mow them down. Use stingers. Stop being a bitch. There is no 'correct' way to play in FPS. You do what it takes to win. If the opponent is too dumb to use their AA capabilities then yes they deserve to be spawn camped.
What wins games is team cohesion. Even if you accidentally work together without intending to- say 3 of you sneak behind the escalators on Metro and take their first cap point while the rest of the team fights- you will win. 30-3 is just a byproduct of a lot of people getting shot so one person can line up shots.
It sucks if you're just constantly dying but you should always be more concerned with your total points, not kills over the 30-3 number.
And what you should really focus on is winning, not kill whoring.
I just use a Xbox controller for flying, I used a joystick that I found sitting around my house but I feel like I have way more control and accuracy with the controller. So if you have one try it out it is much easier imo.
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